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Event 201 | Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.
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Northwind said:
Critical thinking allows us to question what is happening in a more productive manner. Accepting and feeding in to conspiracy theories just paralyzes.
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ChemGal said:
I think it's important to realize that people of all ages can get severely sick. 1) even those who only stick with young people can still place a strain on resources 2) when symptoms become concerning it's best to seek treatment sooner rather than waiting until in a full-blown emergency.
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What’s putting a strain on resources is all the calm people telling us not to be afraid, but that they’re just going to shut the whole world down for a wee bit of indefinitely time. Soon it will be stress based illnesses, heart attack, suicide attempts, and a God knows what. Be Afraid of this!
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Insulting? Being told we can’t be wary or critical of this is insulting.
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No. I said we need to be wary and critical. That's good. The problem is accepting conspiracy blindly. Yes, "sheeple" is highly offensive. Am I sheeple for protecting myself? Am I sheeple for being concerned about others and about the well being of the community? Sheeple suggest we cannot think for ourselves. It's pretty much as bad as an insult that gets hurled at people who are considered different from the norm.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What’s putting a strain on resources is all the calm people telling us not to be afraid, but that they’re just going to shut the whole world down for a wee bit of indefinitely time. Soon it will be stress based illnesses, heart attack, suicide attempts, and a God knows what. Be Afraid of this!
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The whole world isn't shutting down, certain things are for a while.
 
Northwind said:
No. I said we need to be wary and critical. That's good. The problem is accepting conspiracy blindly. Yes, "sheeple" is highly offensive. Am I sheeple for protecting myself? Am I sheeple for being concerned about others and about the well being of the community? Sheeple suggest we cannot think for ourselves. It's pretty much as bad as an insult that gets hurled at people who are considered different from the norm.
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No it’s not as bad. You decided to take it as “as bad” and define it the way you did and make it just about you. You are not wrong to be doing the things you’re doing. That doesn’t mean what’s going on in the big picture in terms of how they’re controlling this, and people generally, is okay.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No it’s not as bad. You decided to take it as “as bad” and define it the way you did and make it just about you. You are not wrong to be doing the things you’re doing. That doesn’t mean what’s going on in the big picture in terms of how they’re controlling this, and people generally, is okay.
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I have not made it just about me. Do not tell me what motivates me. Yes, being vulnerable makes me look at this with different eyes. I am concerned for my 70 year old friend isolating so she doesn't get sick before her heart surgery next week. I'm concerned for people like @DaisyJane who care for extremely vulnerable people. I am concerned about how this will affect our health system over all.

Sheeple is an awful, judgemental word. While we are at it, not all Boomers are out to get you.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You are not wrong to be doing the things you’re doing. That doesn’t mean what’s going on in the big picture in terms of how they’re controlling this, and people, is okay.
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Replace the term 'Coronavirus' with the 'New World Order' ...

How better to bring about the vision 'experts' have been talking from the days of Herbert Walker Bush.

Please understand I’m not saying not to take the necessary precautions.

Just, (with critical thought) as @kimmio said ... try to paint the big picture in front of your eyes.

When you can see the outcome it is not difficult to see the steps taken in order to achieve it.

For those of you who want to match this with Bible prophecies, as the story goes there will be global events and it will be the beginning of all sorrows but fear not for this too shall pass. And the end is not yet.

Everyone is making up the scenarios that they can live with ... and at the same time saying 'listen to the experts'.

The 'expert harbingers' of what is coming down the pike ... have laid 'their scenario' out for all to see ... Event 201.

Am I the only one that dares to watch it?
 
Northwind said:
I have not made it just about me. Do not tell me what motivates me. Yes, being vulnerable makes me look at this with different eyes. I am concerned for my 70 year old friend isolating so she doesn't get sick before her heart surgery next week. I'm concerned for people like @DaisyJane who care for extremely vulnerable people. I am concerned about how this will affect our health system over all.

Sheeple is an awful, judgemental word. While we are at it, not all Boomers are out to get you.
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I can’t believe how many are making this about them. My mom is very clear that this is all ok because she’s in a risk group, too. It’s suddenly okay to shut the world down because ‘they’ are in a risk group. I am in a higher risk group too, having cp, my lungs aren’t perfect, and having smoked. I haven’t been sick with a bad cold or flu in awhile but I have had some bad ones that dragged on and turned into bronchitis.

People who are more vulnerable were always more vulnerable. Where were the boomers getting mad about MAID? They wanted that. They convinced the public that it was more important what they wanted than to protect the mentally ill, disabled, etc. Both of these policy events are being motivated by a pack-like selfishness. Viruses like this are always around. We don’t need to shut the world down to know to stay away from seniors and vulnerable people when sick with flulike symptoms. We don’t need to allow doctors to kill people to address suffering.
 
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Ritafee said:
How better to bring about the vision 'experts' have been talking from the days of Herbert Walker Bush.
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It's been happening since long before HWB.

Naomi Klein wrote Shock Doctrine, a chilling description of Disaster Capitalism. When I went to remind myself of the name of the book I saw she has some information out about this. I am going to check her info out.

Again, I believe it is important to think critically about this. There's a good argument for the current measures. We do need to be aware of the implications for the future and to be prepared to challenge in our way once the dust has settled from this. We also need to be aware of what is happening behind the curtains while everyone is focused on this crisis.

Ritafee said:
The 'expert harbingers' of what is coming down the pike ... have laid 'their scenario' out for all to see ... Event 201.
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I will look at it later.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What the media is trying to do is spin it that this is not mainly a Boomer+ disease. This is the Boomers trying to wrest control back from the millennials gaining influence, I think. To put them in their place and remind them who is still in charge and whose world it really is. Now that Trump is fighting an invisible war, its a very good time to be extra wary of media spin. Get the stats straight from stats sites not News. From the same article (the details mater):

“The report did not say whether the patients had underlying risk factors such as a chronic illness or compromised immune systems, so it's unclear whether the younger adults hospitalized were more vulnerable to serious infection than others.”
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No, I think it's more that Italy's predominantly older population skewed the statistics but now that it's hitting a larger mixed population(USA) it will include more young people.
 
So @Kimmio Laughterlove you seem to be advocating a variation of social Darwinism with your last comment. To hell with vulnerable people, let them die. Those evil Boomers have caused all this mess, so they can die off.

We definitely need to be looking after our vulnerable all the time. In this case, it is not just the vulnerable who are at risk. If you were to fall and break a hip when the illness is at its peak, you might not be able to get care because the health system has no room for "normal" events. I'm not wishing that fate on you for the record. If one of your parents got sick and needed a ventilator, would you be okay with it being denied because, well they're expendable and more valuable people are using all the ventilators already?

People who use the term sheeple seem to be acting out of self interest too because they have been inconvenienced. Well, when we live in community. Sometimes we need to be inconvenienced in order to benefit the whole.
 
Northwind said:
So @Kimmio Laughterlove you seem to be advocating a variation of social Darwinism with your last comment. To hell with vulnerable people, let them die. Those evil Boomers have caused all this mess, so they can die off.

We definitely need to be looking after our vulnerable all the time. In this case, it is not just the vulnerable who are at risk. If you were to fall and break a hip when the illness is at its peak, you might not be able to get care because the health system has no room for "normal" events. I'm not wishing that fate on you for the record. If one of your parents got sick and needed a ventilator, would you be okay with it being denied because, well they're expendable and more valuable people are using all the ventilators already?

People who use the term sheeple seem to be acting out of self interest too because they have been inconvenienced. Well, when we live in community. Sometimes we need to be inconvenienced in order to benefit the whole.
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F that. I am not. That is gaslighting. Moving the goalpost! Specifically moving it for your argument to work. I see what you just did there.

Who was the one against MAID for non terminal illness, and not letting people die or giving doctors the power to kill them because they are disabled but not close to death!? Who argued that socioeconomic made them more vulnerable? Who argued and argued that it was indeed a concern? Who argued that it was backwards, in light of suicide prevention initiatives, to extend MAID to mature minors and people with mental illness like depression?

f*** off with the inconvenienced lecture.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I can’t believe how many are making this about them. My mom is very clear that this is all ok because she’s in a risk group, too. It’s suddenly okay to shut the world down because ‘they’ are in a risk group. I am in a higher risk group too, having cp, my lungs aren’t perfect, and having smoked. I haven’t been sick with a bad cold or flu in awhile but I have had some bad ones that dragged on and turned into bronchitis.

People who are more vulnerable were always more vulnerable. Where were the boomers getting mad about MAID? They wanted that. They convinced the public that it was more important what they wanted than to protect the mentally ill, disabled, etc. Both of these policy events are being motivated by a pack-like selfishness. Viruses like this are always around. We don’t need to shut the world down to know to stay away from seniors and vulnerable people when sick with flulike symptoms. We don’t need to allow doctors to kill people to address suffering.
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Don't smoke. FFS that's something that's about you and not others.
 
Northwind said:
We also need to be aware of what is happening behind the curtains while everyone is focused on this crisis.
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Agreed ...
  • Logic suggests that the population should rally against a common threat.
  • Especially when it comes to the homo sapiens species, which is at the top of the evolutionary ladder.
  • A human being, as we all know, is social being.
  • Putting aside group conflicts - human-kind should focus on finding a solution to a truly universal problem.
And what are we seeing now, when humanity is faced with a progressing pandemic?
  • Political leaders are remarkably reluctant to make significant changes to their international agendas.
  • The spread of coronavirus neither prevented the recent exacerbation of the situation in Syria nor the breakdown of ceasefire agreements in Libya.
  • Iran’s transformation into one of the leading centers of the pandemic did not prompt North America to attempt even a symbolic easing of its economic sanctions against Tehran.
  • Nor did the pandemic become an incentive for Russia and Saudi Arabia to make mutual concessions during the OPEC+ negotiations, which could have prevented the collapse in oil prices and the subsequent panic on global financial markets.
In each of these and in many other cases, the universal interests of the self-preservation of the human population have invariably been pushed into the background for the sake of opportunistic political, economic or other group interests.

The pandemic has started to be perceived as an opportunity to strengthen one’s position in geopolitical and economic competition.
  • United States Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Louis Ross is optimistic that the coronavirus epidemic “will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America.”
  • A number of Western economists were quick to announce that the pandemic would spell the end of the “Chinese era” in global manufacturing and the final victory of the United States in the economic confrontation with Beijing.
  • The fact that China was the first victim of the coronavirus presented an excellent opportunity to talk about the inefficiency of authoritarian systems in preventing epidemics, about the redundancy of the restrictive measures taken by the Chinese authorities, to reiterate concerns about the human rights situation in China, and so on.
  • U.S. officials have not once missed an opportunity to refer to the culprit as the “Chinese” (“Wuhan”) virus.
  • In turn, Chinese officials have speculated that the virus may have been brought to Wuhan by the U.S. military, who had participated in the Military World Games held in the city last October.
All in all, we must admit that four months after the start of the pandemic ...
  • The world continues its everyday squabbling over momentary disagreements, petty vanity and tactical gains and losses.
  • In other words, the pandemic is perceived not so much as a global bug that needs to be fixed at all costs, but as a new feature of world politics that can be used to advance your interests and counter those of your opponents and competitors.
Paraphrasing the famous saying by King Frederick William I of Prussia, modern statesmen may well say:

“A pandemic is a pandemic, but the war should be on schedule.”

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