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How dare you!
We put our trust in Jesus. You in a grumpy little girl.

Do you know what the bible says death is?
Wages.
Something you earn and are entitled to.
The wages of sin is death.
There is only one cure.


For f***s sake stop it. Just stop it.

Do you you know what else the Bible says - Matthew 7:12 - be kind to others as you would wish they would be kind to you. People are scared. I am scared. Stop smugly telling us that if we just knew Jesus like you knew Jesus then things might be different - that somehow people might not be suffering. If you are a Christian then be kind and compassionate to people who are frightened.

I am sitting in the ICU. My son is on a ventilator. He is critically ill and I do not need to read about bulls**t, scare-mongering theology.
 
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It’s now widely agreed (even by Britain, finally) that every country needs to “flatten the curve”: impose social distancing to slow the spread of "the virus' so that the number of people sick at once doesn’t cause the health-care system to collapse, as it is threatening to do right now.

That means the pandemic needs to last, at a low level, until either enough people have had Covid-19 to leave most immune assuming immunity lasts for years, which we don’t know ... or there is 'the vaccine'.

How long would that take, and how draconian do social restrictions need to be?
 
It’s now widely agreed (even by Britain, finally) that every country needs to “flatten the curve”: impose social distancing to slow the spread of "the virus' so that the number of people sick at once doesn’t cause the health-care system to collapse, as it is threatening to do right now.

That means the pandemic needs to last, at a low level, until either enough people have had Covid-19 to leave most immune assuming immunity lasts for years, which we don’t know ... or there is 'the vaccine'.

How long would that take, and how draconian do social restrictions need to be?

I think it is reasonable to expect that there will be restrictions in place for several months. How strict those are depends on how much we limit the spread.
 
And we’ll restore the ability to socialize safely by developing more sophisticated ways to identify who is a disease risk and who isn’t,
and discriminating—legally—against those who are.
 
It’s now widely agreed (even by Britain, finally) that every country needs to “flatten the curve”: impose social distancing to slow the spread of "the virus' so that the number of people sick at once doesn’t cause the health-care system to collapse, as it is threatening to do right now.

That means the pandemic needs to last, at a low level, until either enough people have had Covid-19 to leave most immune assuming immunity lasts for years, which we don’t know ... or there is 'the vaccine'.

How long would that take, and how draconian do social restrictions need to be?
China cases have stopped....they started those measures too late, but better late than never....the facts are before you. Italy is telling us not to ignore those "draconian" measures because they did.
 
China cases have stopped....they started those measures too late, but better late than never....the facts are before you. Italy is telling us not to ignore those "draconian" measures because they did.
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But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an identity card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.
 
We’ll adapt to and accept such measures, much as we’ve adapted to increasingly stringent airport security screenings in the wake of 'terrorist attacks'. The intrusive surveillance will be considered a small price to pay for the basic freedom to be with other people.

As usual, however, the true cost will be borne by the poorest and weakest. People with less access to health care, or who live in more disease-prone areas, will now also be more frequently shut out of places and opportunities open to everyone else. Gig workers—from drivers to plumbers to freelance yoga instructors—will see their jobs become even more precarious. Immigrants, refugees, the undocumented, and ex-convicts will face yet another obstacle to gaining a foothold in society.

Moreover, unless there are strict rules on how someone’s risk for disease is assessed, governments or companies could choose any criteria—you’re high-risk if you earn less than $50,000 a year, are in a family of more than six people, and live in certain parts of the country, for example. That creates scope for algorithmic bias and hidden discrimination, as happened last year with an algorithm used by US health insurers that turned out to inadvertently favor white people.

The world has changed many times, and it is changing again. All of us will have to adapt to a new way of living, working, and forging relationships. But as with all change, there will be some who lose more than most, and they will be the ones who have lost far too much already.

The best we can hope for is that the depth of this crisis will finally force countries to fix the yawning social inequities that make large swaths of their populations so intensely vulnerable.

 
What the media is trying to do is spin it that this is not mainly a Boomer+ disease. This is the Boomers trying to wrest control back from the millennials gaining influence, I think. To put them in their place and remind them who is still in charge and whose world it really is. Now that Trump is fighting an invisible war, its a very good time to be extra wary of media spin. Get the stats straight from stats sites not News. From the same article (the details mater):

“The report did not say whether the patients had underlying risk factors such as a chronic illness or compromised immune systems, so it's unclear whether the younger adults hospitalized were more vulnerable to serious infection than others.”
 
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The report did not say whether the patients had underlying risk factors such as a chronic illness or compromised immune systems, so it's unclear whether the younger adults hospitalized were more vulnerable to serious infection than others.

The article did comment about that and did acknowledge that they didn't know about underlying issues. It's still important to be aware of this. We don't know who's vulnerable just by looking at people.
 
@Kimmio Laughterlove the article was based on a report from the CDC.

It's important to think critically about what is happening now. There is no place for conspiracy theories at this or any time. There's a difference.
Oh, I think there is. All of our freedoms were curtailed overnight because of a corona virus related to other cold causing corona viruses. Elderly and immune compromised are always at risk. . If now is not a time to be wary that something else is going on, I don’t when is! I’m going to be careful about not getting the virus or spreading it, but not a sheeple.
 
Oh, I think there is. All of our freedoms were curtailed overnight. I’m going to be careful about not getting the virus or spreading it, but not a sheeple.

I have another friend spewing about "sheeple". I find that term highly offensive. It is insulting. Critical thinking allows us to question what is happening in a more productive manner. Accepting and feeding in to conspiracy theories just paralyzes.
 
I think it's important to realize that people of all ages can get severely sick. 1) even those who only stick with young people can still place a strain on resources 2) when symptoms become concerning it's best to seek treatment sooner rather than waiting until in a full-blown emergency.
 
I have another friend spewing about "sheeple". I find that term highly offensive. It is insulting. Critical thinking allows us to question what is happening in a more productive manner. Accepting and feeding in to conspiracy theories just paralyzes.
I tend to think of sheeple as more so going along with any myth, conspiracy theory that comes up.
 
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