Novel Coronavirus

[Lastpointe]

With colds and allergies you won’t have a fever and muscle aches

this, like a severe flu would have fever, congestion that quickly moves to pneumonia. Again, the risk , like a lot of viruses is for elderly and people with other conditions

it is reasonable to try to get a handle on the spread. If that means shutting down large events and screening people then it does

i Do think that for people who suffer from seasonal allergies it will be awkward as others would want to avoid them. But , at least in Ontario, it isn’t seasonal allergy season. No grass. No budding trees. Yet. Expect it is starting in B.C. which I agree is bad timing.

i am not sure why but when I read your posts you seem to be annoyed that precautions are being taken. You seem to say that you personally feel it is an over reaction. So far what we are seeing in canada seems to be measure and reasonable. Though I expect there are lots of disappointed fans of concerts and skating and tennis and other events that have cancelled audiences.

if 40 % of Canada gets this that is a lot of sick people. That is a lot of businesses that will go under. That is a lot of people who won’t afford rent and food. That is a lot of deaths. Let’s take precautions. Let’s avoid crowds.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Well, s**t. I cleaned vigorously on Sunday with a bleach based cleaner in a poorly ventilated dusty (no matter what - it's a dusty old house) basement suite, and I cleaned into the evening. I ended up with a scratchy throat later and the next day. I stayed him from work. I have muscle aches daily, especially after hard work like that...and I commonly get post nasal drip in the spring. So...WTF? Today I feel "fine" - yesterday I felt fine but I wasn't scheduled to work. I work in an office setting close to several others. If I don't work p-t at least I will be drowning in bills and at higher risk of homelessness - but I am peri menopausal with pms on top. I never really feel fine - fine means ploughing through daily nuisances - but it's nothing unusual either.

 

[Carolla]

I want to know more about symptoms, what differentiates them from allergies and colds. I want to know exactly how the symptoms progress in the worst cases, and how long it takes. What is the pattern it takes that differs from bad colds or flu? Mild flu like symptoms could be felt by people to be anything from chemical sensitivity, to seasonal allergies (the cherry blossoms and crocuses and daffodils are out) to hot flashes. And it's not reasonable to shut everything down or flood the system, for any reason.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

With colds and allergies you won’t have a fever and muscle aches

this, like a severe flu would have fever, congestion that quickly moves to pneumonia. Again, the risk , like a lot of viruses is for elderly and people with other conditions

it is reasonable to try to get a handle on the spread. If that means shutting down large events and screening people then it does

i Do think that for people who suffer from seasonal allergies it will be awkward as others would want to avoid them. But , at least in Ontario, it isn’t seasonal allergy season. No grass. No budding trees. Yet. Expect it is starting in B.C. which I agree is bad timing.

i am not sure why but when I read your posts you seem to be annoyed that precautions are being taken. You seem to say that you personally feel it is an over reaction. So far what we are seeing in canada seems to be measure and reasonable. Though I expect there are lots of disappointed fans of concerts and skating and tennis and other events that have cancelled audiences.

if 40 % of Canada gets this that is a lot of sick people. That is a lot of businesses that will go under. That is a lot of deaths. Let’s take precautions. Let’s avoid crowds.That is a lot of people who won’t afford rent and food.

"That is a lot of people who won’t afford rent and food."

Even if they don't have it. If they take precautions they will be in the same predicament....unless we don't shun everyone who has a tickle in their throat.

 

[Lastpointe]

I actually don’t think you need to be cleaning your own place. and I am sorry that you feel awful and down and pmsing. I get that

but this could possibly be serious. Note in the paper today that if it hits us hard one million people could need ventilation. Unfortunately the entire country has less than 5000

lets hope it happens gradually. That weather changes make a difference.

while I recognize that you don’t have respiratory issues you do have an ongoing health issue. Your decreased mobility perhaps makes you more likely to get a chest infection.
at this point, go to work, and keep wary of being too close to people

trudeau has pledged a measly amount if money to help. They need to have money accessible for cover people who call in sick. To cover places like restaurants that have no customers

way more money is needed

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

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That is helpful.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I actually don’t think you need to be cleaning your own place. and I am sorry that you feel awful and down and pmsing. I get that

but this could possibly be serious. Note in the paper today that if it hits us hard one million people could need ventilation. Unfortunately the entire country has less than 5000

lets hope it happens gradually. That weather changes make a difference.

while I recognize that you don’t have respiratory issues you do have an ongoing health issue. Your decreased mobility perhaps makes you more likely to get a chest infection.
at this point, go to work, and keep wary of being too close to people

trudeau has pledged a measly amount if money to help. They need to have money accessible for cover people who call in sick. To cover places like restaurants that have no customers

way more money is needed

Nobody else has offered to clean my place. Everyone I know, knows I have trouble. But...it's not their problem.

 

[ChemGal]

I do actually think for those who have an extremely mild case it can be difficult to know. Also, we're not sure if there are some who never develop COVID-19 at all but are still capable of transmitting it.

 

[ChemGal]

I heard about a company policy that was put into place today (not where I work) - you travel internationally you have to self-quarantine at home upon return, no pay. With spring break coming up, I think if more companies put that policy into place more people would be cancelling any travel plans they had.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Kimmio, maybe stay away from bleach-based cleaners? Hard on your system if you can use alternatives. I like the industrial strength vinegar, baking soda, and a good de-greasing detergent (Sunlight and original Palmolive are good for me; Dawn makes me wheeze, although I like the way it works).

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kimmio, maybe stay away from bleach-based cleaners? Hard on your system if you can use alternatives. I like the industrial strength vinegar, baking soda, and a good de-greasing detergent (Sunlight and original Palmolive are good for me; Dawn makes me wheeze, although I like the way it works).

Normally I use natural/ vinegar or baking soda based things, and ordinary soap because I hate fumes. They are not powerful enough for this and serious super bugs, I read. I can handle the smell of alcohol. That's what we use at work. But the pharmacies are sold out. I think I have a bottle of hydrogen peroxide somewhere. I can dilute that and use it I suppose. It has less fumes. I have a little bottle of witch hazel in alcohol base, I use for a skin toner sometimes and I wiped my jewellery with it. Not sure it's strong enough to clean surfaces.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I do actually think for those who have an extremely mild case it can be difficult to know. Also, we're not sure if there are some who never develop COVID-19 at all but are still capable of transmitting it.

And there's no way to know unless everybody was tested daily. (Saying that is scaremongering because it's impossible to know). So, we just have to be reasonable, and expect that some people will get it anyway. We cannot lock down the world and give everyone hazmat suits. That's impossible.

Staying home for 2 weeks with all the requisite supplies needed is a LUXURY to be able to do, if you're not middle class, you know? If the government is not going to provide it, I can only do my best.

I'm not going to get obsessed over this or any other health issues. I'm more worried about how easily
people fall for authoritarianism.

If I feel really ill, with out of the ordinary symptoms with no other obvious cause that is typical for me, I will stay home for 2 weeks. But I might get sick in other ways by doing that.

Think of all the people with common allergies who you could send into a panic.

 

[ChemGal]

And there's no way to know unless everybody was tested daily. (Saying that is scaremongering because it's impossible to know). So, we just have to be reasonable, and expect that some people will get it anyway. We cannot lock down the world and give everyone hazmat suits. That's impossible.

Staying home for 2 weeks with all the requisite supplies needed is a LUXURY to be able to do, if you're not middle class, you know? If the government is not going to provide it, I can only do my best.

I'm not going to get obsessed over this or any other health issues. I'm more worried about how easily
people fall for authoritarianism.

If I feel really ill, with out of the ordinary symptoms with no other obvious cause that is typical for me, I will stay home for 2 weeks. But I might get sick in other ways by doing that.

It's about doing what we can reasonably do so that 1000s don't need to be hospitalized at once because of it.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

It's about doing what we can reasonably do so that 1000s don't need to be hospitalized at once because of it.

I can't reasonably stay home for 2 weeks after I got a scratchy throat cleaning (to disinfect!) with bleach. Or because I got a hot flash. Do you think that's reasonable?

I did miss one day to see if I felt worse and I didn't. My throat is better.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

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It's about doing what we can reasonably do so that 1000s don't need to be hospitalized at once because of it.

We don't want the health system overburdened with hypochondria either.

 

[ChemGal]

I can't reasonably stay home for 2 weeks after I got a scratchy throat cleaning (to disinfect!) with bleach. Or because I got a hot flash. Do you think that's reasonable?

I did miss one day to see if I felt worse and I didn't. My throat is better.

No, if it's nothing out of the ordinary for you based on what you've been doing, it's not. With a reasonable possibility of an exposure though, with the current state, then yeah, it's worth getting the test and doing what you can to avoid spreading it.

As this becomes more prevalent, even with likely exposure, if that's typical for you, you may need to go about usual routines minus staying away from places like the long term care home your elderly friend lives in. If it's not a typical symptom for you, go with the guidelines at the time.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I don't have a friend in an elderly care home. I do have senior parents. One still works in healthcare, and has asthma and a tendency to severe allergies/ breathing problems with allergens, and I worry about them...but they made it through 45 years in the same career through numerous bad bugs circulating. I am at no greater risk of exposure than anyone else who goes shopping or works downtown, or rides on transit.

 

[Ritafee]

Another questionable infringement justified in the name of safety to guard against a 'global pandemic'.

One step closer to a future in which the government has all the power and “we the people” have none.

This too shall pass.

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[Waterfall]

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Also the flu has a shorter incubation period(1-2 days sometimes up to 4 days) than COVID-19(2-14 days)
The percentage for developing serious symptoms or complications is higher for COVID-19 than the flu. (1 in 5 according to WHO)

 

[Ritafee]

(1 in 5 according to WHO)

A blank check for Big Pharma and the WHO
When a detective is looking to solve a crime, it's important to ask cui bono.

In this case, the question of who benefits has a simple answer:

WHO benefits, of course. The World Health Organization, that is. The WHO always grows in power in the wake of every crisis.

Remember, that the WHO declared the 2009 swine flu outbreak a "global pandemic,"

That move automatically triggered billions of dollars of vaccine purchases by various governments.

Council of Europe was compelled to note that the members of the WHO council that made the pandemic declaration were also sitting on the boards of the vaccine manufacturers who stood to benefit from that decision.

So who is heading the WHO this time around?

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, an Ethiopian politician and academic.

The first WHO director-general who isn't even a medical doctor.

After earning his degree in biology at the University of Asmara in Eritrea and serving in a junior position at the Ministry of Health under the Marxist dictatorship of Mengistu, he:

"[. . .] then went on to become Minister of Health from 2005 to 2012 under Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. There he met former President Bill Clinton and began a close collaboration with Clinton and the Clinton Foundation and its Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative (CHAI). He also developed a close relation with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. As health minister, Tedros would also chair the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria that was co-founded by the Gates Foundation. The Global Fund has been riddled with fraud and corruption scandals.

The Gates Foundation and their GAVI Alliance for vaccination are the WHO's biggest donors.

The Gates Foundation helped host the Event 201 "high-level pandemic exercise" in New York last October.

Event 201 war gamed out the entire coronavirus scenario we're currently living through?

And how are WHO going to save the day?

With Big Pharma drugs, naturally!

Governments are already lining up to pledge tens of millions of dollars to fund the effort to develop a coronavirus vaccine.

And that's just the funding to develop the vaccine.

There are many more billions waiting for the big pharma manufacturers who can deliver the first vaccine to market.

Yes, coronavirus is going to be a big payday for some rich and well-connected people in the international medical mafia.

*Paraphrasing from a Corbett Report