Bible Study Thread: Luke

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unsafe said:
unsafe says ------No Person was Blessed because they kept the Law Jae ---the curse was in place for all Jewish people no one could keep the Law --Jesus came to fulfil it -----
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The "Law" handed to Moses by God was the 10 commandments. Why do you ever refer to the Jewish scriptures when you are so (wrongly) convinced that the Jewish faith has it all wrong?
 
@unsafe & @Jae - I don't really understand how what you two are doing here is advancing any sense of Bible Study. Perhaps you have a different view of what Bible Study is. To me it's reading, pondering the text, understanding context, reflecting on what the message of the writer might mean for me in my life today. I just don't see that in the way that the two of you post - it seems more of a scripture duel - who's "right" - which of course is a dead end as usual.
 
BetteTheRed ------unsafe says ---you can refer to whatever you want to -----and believe whatever you want to ---that is your right --I will stick with my belief ---God's word ---which says it is Truth ----
 
@unsafe once again, for followers of Judaism the law is not a curse, it is a gift and blessing. Pauline thought has grossly skewed how many Christians understand Torah. While Jesus sometimes challenges interpretations of the law he never refers to it as a curse or something to be dispensed with.
 
back on track,
I have always preferred Luke's Beatitudes to Matthew's. In part because I have always held Luke as my favourite of the Gospels but also because of the explicit inclusion of the woes. One could say they are implicitly there in Matthew but sometimes clarity is better.

At least once when preaching on this passage I took time to point out that for many/most in the Canadian context you will find yourself described more in the woes than the blessings.
 
unsafe said:
Jae -----your quote -------unsafe, what you originally posted was, "no one was Blessed in the Old Testament after the Law was introduce ------" David and others were.

Your grasping at straws again -----This was before the Law ---in Genesis the Mosaic Law was not in place -----If you read Genesis 28 :1 it says this -----28 Isaac called for Jacob and blessed him.

Genesis 28:10-22 (GW)
Jacob’s First Encounter with God
10 Jacob left Beersheba and traveled toward Haran. 11 When he came to a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had gone down. He took one of the stones from that place, put it under his head, and lay down there. 12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway set up on the earth with its top reaching up to heaven. He saw the angels of God going up and coming down on it. 13 The Lord was standing above it, saying, “I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give the land on which you are lying to you and your descendants. 14 Your descendants will be like the dust on the earth. You will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. Through you and through your descendant every family on earth will be blessed. 15 Remember, I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go. I will also bring you back to this land because I will not leave you until I do what I’ve promised you.”


unsafe says ------No Person was Blessed because they kept the Law Jae ---the curse was in place for all Jewish people no one could keep the Law --Jesus came to fulfil it -----

unsafe says
God picked certain people on His own to fulfil His Plan ---that has nothing to do with people keeping the Law and being Blessed because they obeyed the laws of Moses ------
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unsafe, why are you mentioning Genesis 28? What I shared with you was from Psalm 32 - which concerns David. :confused:

What's interesting to me is your change in tune. You first posted, "no one was Blessed in the Old Testament after the Law was introduce------" and now seem to be acting as if what you'd said all along was, "No Person was Blessed because they kept the Law" or words to that effect. Better to just admit your error unsafe.
 
Carolla said:
@unsafe & @Jae - I don't really understand how what you two are doing here is advancing any sense of Bible Study. Perhaps you have a different view of what Bible Study is. To me it's reading, pondering the text, understanding context, reflecting on what the message of the writer might mean for me in my life today. I just don't see that in the way that the two of you post - it seems more of a scripture duel - who's "right" - which of course is a dead end as usual.
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Then you've missed the vast majority of my posts.
 
Jae ---Get this David is Jacobs son ---Jacob and His offspring were blessed in Genesis before the Law ----Read the scripture I posted -----

Psalms 32 is describing what the Blessing is like ----You are trying to make it say what you want it to say ------


This is Matthew Henry's commentary on this Psalm ----READ ALL HERE

Psalms 32 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)

Verses 1-6 This psalm is entitled Maschil, which some take to be only the name of the tune to which it was set and was to be sung. But others think it is significant; our margin reads it,
A psalm of David giving instruction, and there is nothing in which we have more need of instruction than in the nature of true blessedness, wherein it consists and the way that leads to it
 
GordW ----your quote ----@unsafe once again, for followers of Judaism the law is not a curse, it is a gift and blessing

unsafe says ---that very well might be in your Religion there GordW ----I am not into your Religion or any other Religion --I follow the way and My Bible says that the Law was given to show the Jews their sins and no man could keep the Law and therefore it brought in the Curse ----The Blessing came in when Jesus died on the Cross ----and Grace replace the Old Covenant ----

So believe as you will and I will do the same -----:angel:
 
unsafe said:
Jae ---Get this David is Jacobs son ---Jacob and His offspring were blessed in Genesis before the Law ----Read the scripture I posted -----

Psalms 32 is describing what the Blessing is like ----You are trying to make it say what you want it to say ------


This is Matthew Henry's commentary on this Psalm ----READ ALL HERE

Psalms 32 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)

Verses 1-6 This psalm is entitled Maschil, which some take to be only the name of the tune to which it was set and was to be sung. But others think it is significant; our margin reads it,
A psalm of David giving instruction, and there is nothing in which we have more need of instruction than in the nature of true blessedness, wherein it consists and the way that leads to it
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unsafe - God blessed David after David confessed his sin to God. That event occurred at a time significantly after the Law was put into place. Imho, your claim that, "no one was Blessed in the Old Testament after the Law was introduce------" is ludicrous.

Let's return to Luke.
 
Carolla-------your quote -------@unsafe & @Jae - I don't really understand how what you two are doing here is advancing any sense of Bible Study. Perhaps you have a different view of what Bible Study is. To me it's reading, pondering the text, understanding context, reflecting on what the message of the writer might mean for me in my life today. I just don't see that in the way that the two of you post - it seems more of a scripture duel - who's "right" - which of course is a dead end as usual

unsafe says -----your quote here ------ To me it's reading, pondering the text, understanding context, reflecting on what the message of the writer might mean for me in my life today.


unsafe says -----sounds good to me -----And this is what I did today in my post today --post 592 page 30 ---if you care to read it :angel:
 
@unsafe, you really can't have it both ways. You can't completely dismiss the validity of your 'parent' faith', then quote their scriptures, which you do, periodically.
 
GordW said:
@unsafe once again, for followers of Judaism the law is not a curse, it is a gift and blessing. Pauline thought has grossly skewed how many Christians understand Torah. While Jesus sometimes challenges interpretations of the law he never refers to it as a curse or something to be dispensed with.
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Jesus never referred to the law as curse because the law was perfect, so perfect in fact that those who try to be justified by it by filling it to the letter came to understand that they are in a predicament. The law did not offer a solution to our situation but merely exposed our nature and in light of the law we're cursed , doomed , because we have no way out.

Furthermore it put the burden of righteousness and salvation on the self and not on God something that the self cannot achieve which is why it's a curse

The Apostle Paul in spirit is correct
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Jesus never referred to the law as curse because the law was perfect, so perfect in fact that those who try to be justified by it by filling it to the letter came to understand that they are in a predicament. The law did not offer a solution to our situation but merely exposed our nature and in light of the law we're cursed , doomed , because we have no way out.

The Apostle Paul in spirit is correct
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The key purpose of the law imho was to show us that we need God's grace.
 
You really find the 10 commandments that hard to follow? They are the heart of Torah, and the essence of them is "love god, love neighbour". It confuses me that some gentiles complicate this so much.
 
BetteTheRed said:
You really find the 10 commandments that hard to follow? They are the heart of Torah, and the essence of them is "love god, love neighbour". It confuses me that some gentiles complicate this so much.
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Thing is, not one of us loves God and neighbor 100% of the time. God's standard is perfection.
 
According to?

God loves justice, and mercy, and humility. Not burnt offerings. "Perfection" not mentioned. God loves people who try hard in the service of a kinder, more whole, world.
 
God seems to demand a great number of things of humanity. There's a lot of chapters in there that talk about God in a whole bunch of different ways, and humanity's relationship with divinity in more ways. And some sort of single continuum called "perfection" seems to be a laughable impossible goal. Kindness might be a better one.
 
BetteTheRed said:
God seems to demand a great number of things of humanity. There's a lot of chapters in there that talk about God in a whole bunch of different ways, and humanity's relationship with divinity in more ways. And some sort of single continuum called "perfection" seems to be a laughable impossible goal. Kindness might be a better one.
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Perfection is impossible, but everything is possible with God and we are currently a work-in-progress by God , on to perfection
 
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