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Isn't anybody going to comment on in my post about Paul's letter to the Philippian?
That's okay, it's time to move on.(I lost three days with electricity off)

First Timothy -
Isn't anybody going to comment on in my post about Paul's letter to the Philippian?
That's okay, it's time to move on.(I lost three days with electricity off)

First Timothy -
The opening of this letter is from Paul, I know very few people today who think that this is a genuine letter of Paul's. Certainly there's very little similarity to his letter to the Philippians. There is very little joy or delight that we find in that letter. Rather letter to Timothy seems to be more advice and instruction; similar, it seems, is an older leader might pass on to a younger apprentice. The writer, inspired to pass on the wisdom he has accumulated, decides to use the format of the letter. And he decided to use the relationship of Paul to Timothy is his protagonist.
Here unfortunately perhaps forty years have passed since the time of Paul and Timothy, and during that time the followers dropped some of Paul's radical ideas of liberty and equality and reverted to some of the cultural norms of the earlier times. Rather than living in the kingdom of God in the here and now it's challenging the status quo, the writer of this letter reverts to accepting things as the norm. Obedience is held in high regard: wives obey your husbands, children obey your parents, slaves obey your masters. Knowing what high regard many people have for Timothy, forward to reading it. I was disappointed.
What I learned from reading this is the Christians at a variety of different views sometimes disagree; Paul's understanding and understanding of the writer of this letter seem to me to disagree on what it means to be a follower of Jesus.
 
Titus -
I found this letter similar to the first letter to Timothy. Although both letters claimed to be from Paul to a younger associate they were probably written much later and with different emphasis. This letter contains advice on how to choose a leader for the faith community. What qualities do we look for in choosing our leadership?
 
Titus -
I found this letter similar to the first letter to Timothy. Although both letters claimed to be from Paul to a younger associate they were probably written much later and with different emphasis. This letter contains advice on how to choose a leader for the faith community. What qualities do we look for in choosing our leadership?

Churches in my Canadian denomination look for leaders who are male, young, and with at least a bachelor's degree.
 
Isn't anybody going to comment on in my post about Paul's letter to the Philippian?
That's okay, it's time to move on.(I lost three days with electricity off)

First Timothy -
Isn't anybody going to comment on in my post about Paul's letter to the Philippian?
That's okay, it's time to move on.(I lost three days with electricity off)


Sorry the repetition; blame it on the Dragon.
 
How does this compare to the instructions given in Titus?

The only quality I mentioned that seems important to the author is maleness.

My Canadian denomination has maleness of pastors as an official policy. The other qualities I mentioned are unofficial, but they ever seem present.
 
:)unsafe posting some Questions for Seeler

Statement from post 1061 this Page ------- The opening of this letter is from Paul, I know very few people today who think that this is a genuine letter of Paul's.


unsafe posted the scripture -------


1 Timothy 1 (NIV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior>and of Christ Jesus our hope,

2 To Timothy my true son in the faith:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.


unsafe says ---So Seeler would you like to inform us of who makes these Claims that the Letter wasn't written from Paul when the Scripture clearly says it was ------

Claiming to be a True Christian I ask you this question -----Do you believe these people or do you believe the scripture ????? ----Who do your really believe ????---and Please give some names of these people so I can do some research on what they do believe and where their beliefs comes from -----I thank you in advance for your information



I ask also this Question of you Seeler
----Why do you bother to put such comments in your posts when you seem to be posting a summary of what your reading in the scripture ------what is your Purpose and Motive for adding these types of sentences to what the scripture is actually saying ------ ? what relevance does it serve -----except confusion ---speculation and contradiction to the Truth of Scripture -----These 3 things do not come from God ------they come from Satan -----God is not the author of these things in His Word -



unsafe says ----
Your next Post Seeler has the same type of Comment ------Post # 1062

Your Statement here Seeler ------. Although both letters claimed to be from Paul to a younger associate they were probably written much later and with different emphasis.


unsafe again asks
----- where is the Proof to back up what your posting here ? and what relevance does this have to do with your summary of the Scripture you are Posting on ------they were probably written much later and with different emphasis.-----



unsafe says
and posted scripture -----This is the Scripture ----this scripture tells us who wrote it and why ------Do you not Believe the scripture Seeler ??------Who do you believe Men or God's Word which says it is the Truth -------

Titus 1 (NIV)
1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness

unsafe says -----So again the Scripture says who wrote this -----God says His word is truth ------So if the Scripture says that Paul wrote it ---then Paul wrote it -----Period ----

unsafe asks ------So Seeler PLEASE give the names of these people who you claim to be contradicting God's Word -----be transparent about your claims of people who don't believe these were written by Paul etc -----


unsafe says ----Personally God's Word Trumps what man says -----Contradictions --Confusion and Speculations of God's word don't count as truth in my world ---Satan's job is to create Confusion ----Contradictions and Speculations to God's word ----which creates --doubt and unbelief and division of what is the truth -----

unsafe says
Your Philippians Post has no added comments like what you have in these posts and previous posts ------ so Good on you ---you gave a summary of what you got out of the Scripture ----- Great Post ------:)
 
There's a lot of scholarship discussing the dating and authorship of the letters that have historically been attributed to Paul, unsafe.

I'm sure Seeler can explain this to you as well as I, but there's a hard difference between your position and that of most of the posters on this board, including many/all of the ministers. You think of the bible as "God-dictated" - The Word of God For All Time. Many/most of the rest of us here think of the bible as a human product. That doesn't mean that it's not "God-inspired" - just that it is a living/breathing text on which to discuss/argue/agree on points of God's nature and ideas about what God wants from two of God's various peoples - the Jews and the Christians, and that it is a faithful record of two peoples' religious journeys through history to about 2000 years ago.
 
BetteTheRed ------Your Quote ----- I'm sure Seeler can explain this to you as well

unsafe says -----I will wait for Seeler to answer my Questions -----

unsafe says ----As I have said to you before BetteTheRed -----you have never claimed to be a True Christian -----Seeler on the other hand has -----there is a big difference between People who Claim to be True Christians and people who are True Christ---ians -----


BetteTheRed Your Quote-------- but there's a hard difference between your position and that of most of the posters on this board, including many/all of the ministers.

unsafe says -----I don't disagree with this statement ----but having the Holy Spirit is not mandatory to be a Minister ---therefore there are many Ministers who also Claim to be True Christians but are really false Prophets ------which means they don't have the Holy Spirit they preach false Doctrine -----Any Minister who has the Holy Spirit will never say that God is a liar and His word is not truth ----


Your Quote -------You think of the bible as "God-dictated" - The Word of God For All Time.

unsafe says No BetteTheRed ----I don't think anything ----I believe what the Word says ------and the word says it is God Breathed ----

2 Timothy 3:16 (AMP)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage];


Now What does God Breathed mean BetteTheRed ------


This is the Greek word used in this scripture for God Breathed ----

2315. theopneustos
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God

Definition: God-breathed, inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.


2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers" (C. Spicq, 2, 193).


[Inbreathing (
2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]


2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."


The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.


[G. Archer, "2315 (theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself" (A Survey of OT Introduction, fn. 7, 29).]



unsafe says
----So there is no thinking BetteTheRed -----you either believe what the scripture says or you don't ----If you don't then you are Spiritually Blinded to reject the Truth ----and Satan is your god ----Period


As Dr Phil says -----There is no Versions of the TRUTH ---there is only Truth and if it is not true then it is False ----there is no inbetween ----A half truth is not truth -----


unsafe says and then there is this Scripture -----you either believe it or you don't -----2 Peter 1 ----and notice underneath it speaks of False Prophets and Teachers ----


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BetteTheRed ------Your Quote ----- I'm sure Seeler can explain this to you as well

unsafe says -----I will wait for Seeler to answer my Questions -----

unsafe says ----As I have said to you before BetteTheRed -----you have never claimed to be a True Christian -----Seeler on the other hand has -----there is a big difference between People who Claim to be True Christians and people who are True Christ---ians -----


BetteTheRed Your Quote-------- but there's a hard difference between your position and that of most of the posters on this board, including many/all of the ministers.

unsafe says -----I don't disagree with this statement ----but having the Holy Spirit is not mandatory to be a Minister ---therefore there are many Ministers who also Claim to be True Christians but are really false Prophets ------which means they don't have the Holy Spirit they preach false Doctrine -----Any Minister who has the Holy Spirit will never say that God is a liar and His word is not truth ----


Your Quote -------You think of the bible as "God-dictated" - The Word of God For All Time.

unsafe says No BetteTheRed ----I don't think anything ----I believe what the Word says ------and the word says it is God Breathed ----

2 Timothy 3:16 (AMP)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage];


Now What does God Breathed mean BetteTheRed ------


This is the Greek word used in this scripture for God Breathed ----

2315. theopneustos
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God

Definition: God-breathed, inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.


2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers" (C. Spicq, 2, 193).


[Inbreathing (
2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]


2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."


The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.


[G. Archer, "2315 (theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself" (A Survey of OT Introduction, fn. 7, 29).]



unsafe says
----So there is no thinking BetteTheRed -----you either believe what the scripture says or you don't ----If you don't then you are Spiritually Blinded to reject the Truth ----and Satan is your god ----Period


As Dr Phil says -----There is no Versions of the TRUTH ---there is only Truth and if it is not true then it is False ----there is no inbetween ----A half truth is not truth -----


unsafe says and then there is this Scripture -----you either believe it or you don't -----2 Peter 1 ----and notice underneath it speaks of False Prophets and Teachers ----


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When you speak of "inspiration" unsafe, are you keeping in mind that there are different understandings of just what that word means. Someone may well believe that the Bible was inspired without agreeing with your understanding of "inspiration."

To speak of just the major lines of thought on inspiration, there is the Conceptual Inspiration View, the Dictation Theory, the Dynamic Inspiration View, the Illumination Theory, the Natural Inspiration View, the Neo-orthodox View and the Orthodox View.
 
Jae ---your quote -----When you speak of "inspiration" unsafe, are you keeping in mind that there are different understandings of just what that word means.

unsafe says -----I posted the Greek word for God Breathed ----which is inspired ----so if you don't believe what the Greek word interpretation then I guess you make up your own meanings ---so give me the different understanding that you claim there is -----I am reposting what the Greek word says for you --if you have a problem with their interpretation speak to them NOT ME -----

unsafe says ----What is it you don't agree with here Jae ----maybe you know more about the Greek words than they do ---so enlighten me ----Please

This is the Greek word used in this scripture for God Breathed ----

2315. theopneustos
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God

Definition: God-breathed, inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.


2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers" (C. Spicq, 2, 193).


[Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]


2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."


The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.


[G. Archer, "2315 (theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself" (A Survey of OT Introduction, fn. 7, 29).]


Your Quote here Jae -----Someone may well believe that the Bible was inspired without agreeing with your understanding of "inspiration."

unsafe says ---I welcome anyone to give me their interpretation of what they think inspired means ----so go ahead Jae --give me your interpretation of this word inspired by God -----and provide the scripture to back your interpretation --------


As far as your other inspired creations ---lets see what they say


Conceptual or Thought Inspiration. The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God.

unsafe says ---anyone who believes that goes against what the scripture says -----therefore they are wrongly dividing the word of God --and the Holy Spirit would never tell anyone that the God's word is not God's mode of thought and expression -----


What is dynamic inspiration?
Verbal plenary inspiration: This view gives a greater role to the human writers of the Bible while maintaining a belief that God preserved the integrity of the words of the Bible. ... Dynamic inspiration: The thoughts contained in the Bible are inspired, but the words used were left to the individual writers.


unsafe says ----This contradicts what the scripture says ------2 Peter 1:20 Jae ---I have it posted largely above ------you can read it for yourself ---again anyone Preaching this is Wrongly Dividing the word and preaching False Doctrine ----


ntuition or illumination theory. It’s not the writings that are inspired, but the writers themselves. Inspiration is merely superior insight on behalf of natural man into moral and religious truth. God inspired individuals who wrote scripture. If this were true, this type of inspiration could be claimed by Plato, Socrates and many others. Even today anybody who is similarly inspired could potentially write scripture.


unsafe says
----Enough Said here Jae anyone who thinks this Jae is not a True Christ-ian ----- If this were true, this type of inspiration could be claimed by Plato, Socrates and many others. Even today anybody who is similarly inspired could potentially write scripture.



Neo-orthodox inspiration.
This view is similar to dynamic or partial inspiration. It maintains while there are supernatural elements present, the Bible contain errors and cannot be taken literally. Therefore, the Bible is not divinely inspired, but rather a channel through which divine inspiration flows. It elevates the subjective experience of the individual over scripture. As with dynamic or partial inspiration, this view makes truth dependent solely on the discretion of the individual. There are no absolutes with this view.


unsafe says
-----again enough said hereto Jae -----Anyone who thinks the Bible contains errors ----is definitely not A True Christian ---that is calling God a Liar -----Period --The Holy Spirit would never direct anyone into this type of inspiration Jae ----



Natural inspiration.
There is nothing supernatural about the Bible. The writers were just men who wrote books or letters the same way anybody would. Over time, the Bible came to hold special significance for Christians. This view holds the Bible is of an entirely human origin and no different than any other piece of literature. The Bible was written by men who were subject to error in what they wrote. Therefore, it is no different than any other work. This view should be rejected as erroneous.


unsafe says
------Really Jae ----and you profess to be A True Christian and giving these types of inspiration -----WOW


Dictation theory. The writers recorded God’s words without any participation of their own styles or personalities. They mechanically recorded the words of scripture, much as a secretary might write down the words they were told to write. This view asserts that God dictated the Bible in its entirety. Some even argue that the grammar must be perfect in every place because it’s the Holy Spirit’s grammar.

This view excludes individual personalities in the writing of scripture. A dictated Bible would present a consistent level of style and vocabulary, rather than the diversity of human characteristics that are displayed in scripture. This ignores the fact there are apparent differences in the styles of the different writers.
Some have tried to explain this saying the Holy Spirit adopted the style of the writer in each case.


unsafe says -----another Blunder here Jae ---Your Grasping at straws with your different inspired theory's Jae -----if you really think these inspired theory's are OK for people to hold to Jae and you question what scripture I posted and the Greek word I posted for inspired --God Breathed ----If I were you I would seriously question my True Christ-ian thinking ------


unsafe says
This Seems to be the right one here below Jae which of course you left out -----all the rest are Satan's work ---keeping people in the dark --Spiritually Blinded ------Period -----

Verbal, plenary inspiration.

This view of Biblical inspiration holds that the Holy Spirit provided both verbal and plenary inspiration to the original writers. Both the words and ideas of scripture are inspired by God. Plenary means all the words used by the writers in their original manuscripts were equally inspired. Verbal means God directed the choice of the individual words used by the writers in their original manuscripts.

God so partnered with them to record His Word in the Bible in its entirety. This view accepts that the writer’s personalities were used of God based upon their unique backgrounds, including their styles and vocabularies. The Holy Spirit directed the writers of scripture in such a way that the original manuscripts were both verbally and fully inspired, infallible and without error.


This is in harmony with the declaration of 2 Timothy 3:16 which says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” Peter wrote, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:20-21).



unsafe says this is how these people see this word inspired

Theories of Inspiration of Scripture - Ministrymaker
Definitions of Inspiration

  1. “God’s superintending of human authors so that, using their own individual personalities, they composed and recorded without error in the words of the original autographs His revelation to man” – Dr. Charles Ryrie.
  2. “The inexplicable power which the divine Spirit exercised over the authors of scriptures, to guide them even in the employment of the words they were to use, and to preserve them from error as well as from every omission” – Dr. Gaussen, Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible.
  3. “The supernatural influence of the Spirit of God on the human mind, by which prophets and apostles and sacred writers were qualified to set forth divine truth without any mixture of error” – Webster, Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible.
 
Jae ---your quote -----When you speak of "inspiration" unsafe, are you keeping in mind that there are different understandings of just what that word means.

unsafe says -----I posted the Greek word for God Breathed ----which is inspired ----so if you don't believe what the Greek word interpretation then I guess you make up your own meanings ---so give me the different understanding that you claim there is -----I am reposting what the Greek word says for you --if you have a problem with their interpretation speak to them NOT ME -----

unsafe says ----What is it you don't agree with here Jae ----maybe you know more about the Greek words than they do ---so enlighten me ----Please

This is the Greek word used in this scripture for God Breathed ----

2315. theopneustos
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God

Definition: God-breathed, inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.


2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers" (C. Spicq, 2, 193).


[Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]


2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."


The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.


[G. Archer, "2315 (theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself" (A Survey of OT Introduction, fn. 7, 29).]


Your Quote here Jae -----Someone may well believe that the Bible was inspired without agreeing with your understanding of "inspiration."

unsafe says ---I welcome anyone to give me their interpretation of what they think inspired means ----so go ahead Jae --give me your interpretation of this word inspired by God -----and provide the scripture to back your interpretation --------


As far as your other inspired creations ---lets see what they say


Conceptual or Thought Inspiration. The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God.

unsafe says ---anyone who believes that goes against what the scripture says -----therefore they are wrongly dividing the word of God --and the Holy Spirit would never tell anyone that the God's word is not God's mode of thought and expression -----


What is dynamic inspiration?
Verbal plenary inspiration: This view gives a greater role to the human writers of the Bible while maintaining a belief that God preserved the integrity of the words of the Bible. ... Dynamic inspiration: The thoughts contained in the Bible are inspired, but the words used were left to the individual writers.


unsafe says ----This contradicts what the scripture says ------2 Peter 1:20 Jae ---I have it posted largely above ------you can read it for yourself ---again anyone Preaching this is Wrongly Dividing the word and preaching False Doctrine ----


ntuition or illumination theory. It’s not the writings that are inspired, but the writers themselves. Inspiration is merely superior insight on behalf of natural man into moral and religious truth. God inspired individuals who wrote scripture. If this were true, this type of inspiration could be claimed by Plato, Socrates and many others. Even today anybody who is similarly inspired could potentially write scripture.


unsafe says
----Enough Said here Jae anyone who thinks this Jae is not a True Christ-ian ----- If this were true, this type of inspiration could be claimed by Plato, Socrates and many others. Even today anybody who is similarly inspired could potentially write scripture.



Neo-orthodox inspiration.
This view is similar to dynamic or partial inspiration. It maintains while there are supernatural elements present, the Bible contain errors and cannot be taken literally. Therefore, the Bible is not divinely inspired, but rather a channel through which divine inspiration flows. It elevates the subjective experience of the individual over scripture. As with dynamic or partial inspiration, this view makes truth dependent solely on the discretion of the individual. There are no absolutes with this view.


unsafe says
-----again enough said hereto Jae -----Anyone who thinks the Bible contains errors ----is definitely not A True Christian ---that is calling God a Liar -----Period --The Holy Spirit would never direct anyone into this type of inspiration Jae ----



Natural inspiration.
There is nothing supernatural about the Bible. The writers were just men who wrote books or letters the same way anybody would. Over time, the Bible came to hold special significance for Christians. This view holds the Bible is of an entirely human origin and no different than any other piece of literature. The Bible was written by men who were subject to error in what they wrote. Therefore, it is no different than any other work. This view should be rejected as erroneous.


unsafe says
------Really Jae ----and you profess to be A True Christian and giving these types of inspiration -----WOW


Dictation theory. The writers recorded God’s words without any participation of their own styles or personalities. They mechanically recorded the words of scripture, much as a secretary might write down the words they were told to write. This view asserts that God dictated the Bible in its entirety. Some even argue that the grammar must be perfect in every place because it’s the Holy Spirit’s grammar.

This view excludes individual personalities in the writing of scripture. A dictated Bible would present a consistent level of style and vocabulary, rather than the diversity of human characteristics that are displayed in scripture. This ignores the fact there are apparent differences in the styles of the different writers.
Some have tried to explain this saying the Holy Spirit adopted the style of the writer in each case.


unsafe says -----another Blunder here Jae ---Your Grasping at straws with your different inspired theory's Jae -----if you really think these inspired theory's are OK for people to hold to Jae and you question what scripture I posted and the Greek word I posted for inspired --God Breathed ----If I were you I would seriously question my True Christ-ian thinking ------


unsafe says
This Seems to be the right one here below Jae which of course you left out -----all the rest are Satan's work ---keeping people in the dark --Spiritually Blinded ------Period -----

Verbal, plenary inspiration.

This view of Biblical inspiration holds that the Holy Spirit provided both verbal and plenary inspiration to the original writers. Both the words and ideas of scripture are inspired by God. Plenary means all the words used by the writers in their original manuscripts were equally inspired. Verbal means God directed the choice of the individual words used by the writers in their original manuscripts.

God so partnered with them to record His Word in the Bible in its entirety. This view accepts that the writer’s personalities were used of God based upon their unique backgrounds, including their styles and vocabularies. The Holy Spirit directed the writers of scripture in such a way that the original manuscripts were both verbally and fully inspired, infallible and without error.


This is in harmony with the declaration of 2 Timothy 3:16 which says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” Peter wrote, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:20-21).



unsafe says this is how these people see this word inspired

Theories of Inspiration of Scripture - Ministrymaker
Definitions of Inspiration

  1. “God’s superintending of human authors so that, using their own individual personalities, they composed and recorded without error in the words of the original autographs His revelation to man” – Dr. Charles Ryrie.
  2. “The inexplicable power which the divine Spirit exercised over the authors of scriptures, to guide them even in the employment of the words they were to use, and to preserve them from error as well as from every omission” – Dr. Gaussen, Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible.
  3. “The supernatural influence of the Spirit of God on the human mind, by which prophets and apostles and sacred writers were qualified to set forth divine truth without any mixture of error” – Webster, Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible.

My bad on not including the Verbal, Plenary View. It is certainly one of the many of the major lines of thought.

It seems to me from what you have said here unsafe that in your thinking for someone to be a "true Christian," they must not only believe in the inspiration of Scripture - but also hold to the same theory of inspiration as you do! I find that sad.

It seems to me as if you have in your mind set unsafe up as the model of what a "true Christian" is, and the rest of us are only "true Christians" to the degree in which we are the same as unsafe. I think of that as being bizarre.
 
Jae -----your quote ----- It seems to me as if you have in your mind set unsafe up as the model of what a "true Christian" is, and the rest of us are only "true Christians" to the degree in which we are the same as unsafe. I think of that as being bizarre.

unsafe says -----Jae in all your getting get understanding -----Proverbs 4:7 -----it is up to us to work out our Salvation Jae ----when one becomes Born Again they are a Babe in Christ ----It is our responsibility to Mature in Christ ------we are to do the work to become Mature Christians -----If you don't want to do that that is up to you -----I want to do that and I have worked hard to get where I am at in my Salvation walk and you are very ignorant by calling Maturing in our walk with Christ Bizarre ----if you don't want to Mature in your walk with Christ that is all up to you ---but don't put down other True Christians who want to advance in their walk with Christ cause that is what is Bizarre ----

So you can call it whatever you want to Jae ----bizarre --ignorant ---arrogant ----etc --etc ---it makes no difference to me ----

unsafe says ----Here is what is Really Bizarre Jae ----People who Claim to be True Christ-ians and entertain such nonsense that you have posted here ----

Your quote here
Jae from above -----------When you speak of "inspiration" unsafe, are you keeping in mind that there are different understandings of just what that word means. Someone may well believe that the Bible was inspired without agreeing with your understanding of "inspiration."

To speak of just the major lines of thought on inspiration, there is the Conceptual Inspiration View, the Dictation Theory, the Dynamic Inspiration View, the Illumination Theory, the Natural Inspiration View, the Neo-orthodox View and the Orthodox View.



unsafe says
and posted scripture -----
Here is the thing Jae -----Jesus was accused working with Bellzebul in Matthew 12 ----- and verse 30 says this Jae ------

for anyone who wants to read the whole Chapter -----I am providing the link
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12 - GOD’S WORD Translation

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unsafe says ---there is no inbetween here Jae ---your either in the world or your in God's Kingdom -----you either believe the Scriptures were God Inspired or you don't and that is the real truth Jae ---Like it or nor ----being lukewarm Jae bring Confusion and that is scriptural -----

So Jae where are you in the world with Satan or in God's Kingdom with the one True God -----you can't serve both -----according to scripture Jae -----you are serving one or the other -----

unsafe says ---
So Jae now I will wait and see what Seeler has to say to my questions -----
 
Jae -----your quote ----- It seems to me as if you have in your mind set unsafe up as the model of what a "true Christian" is, and the rest of us are only "true Christians" to the degree in which we are the same as unsafe. I think of that as being bizarre.

unsafe says -----Jae in all your getting get understanding -----Proverbs 4:7 -----it is up to us to work out our Salvation Jae ----when one becomes Born Again they are a Babe in Christ ----It is our responsibility to Mature in Christ ------we are to do the work to become Mature Christians -----If you don't want to do that that is up to you -----I want to do that and I have worked hard to get where I am at in my Salvation walk and you are very ignorant by calling Maturing in our walk with Christ Bizarre ----if you don't want to Mature in your walk with Christ that is all up to you ---but don't put down other True Christians who want to advance in their walk with Christ cause that is what is Bizarre ----

So you can call it whatever you want to Jae ----bizarre --ignorant ---arrogant ----etc --etc ---it makes no difference to me ----

unsafe says ----Here is what is Really Bizarre Jae ----People who Claim to be True Christ-ians and entertain such nonsense that you have posted here ----

Your quote here
Jae from above -----------When you speak of "inspiration" unsafe, are you keeping in mind that there are different understandings of just what that word means. Someone may well believe that the Bible was inspired without agreeing with your understanding of "inspiration."

To speak of just the major lines of thought on inspiration, there is the Conceptual Inspiration View, the Dictation Theory, the Dynamic Inspiration View, the Illumination Theory, the Natural Inspiration View, the Neo-orthodox View and the Orthodox View.



unsafe says
and posted scripture -----
Here is the thing Jae -----Jesus was accused working with Bellzebul in Matthew 12 ----- and verse 30 says this Jae ------

for anyone who wants to read the whole Chapter -----I am providing the link
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12 - GOD’S WORD Translation

Matthew+12%3A30+Whoever+is+not+with+me+is+against+me%2C+and+whoever+does+not+gather+with+me+scatters..jpg



unsafe says ---there is no inbetween here Jae ---your either in the world or your in God's Kingdom -----you either believe the Scriptures were God Inspired or you don't and that is the real truth Jae ---Like it or nor ----being lukewarm Jae bring Confusion and that is scriptural -----

So Jae where are you in the world with Satan or in God's Kingdom with the one True God -----you can't serve both -----according to scripture Jae -----you are serving one or the other -----

unsafe says ---
So Jae now I will wait and see what Seeler has to say to my questions -----

In fact, I never called maturing in Christ bizarre. Do you actually read what people say before bombarding them with accusations, scripture and memes unsafe? I believe God baptized me into God's kingdom about 50 years ago and as of about 20 years ago I began to actively seek to become more spiritually mature. I wonder if @Seeler will answer the questions you posed of her unsafe. Should she open the door to accusations and bombings of scripture, memes and gotquestions.org material?
 
First Peter – while most of Paul's letters were mainly to the Gentiles, and this letter we find this target audience is Jewish Christians who have spread out from Jerusalem to the neighbouring areas.
The writer of this letter refers to them as exiles.
This was my intention from the beginning, I am not going to check any commentaries have to say about this letter but will rely on my memory of what understand or been taught in the other is the spirit guiding me as I read and meditate., Let the letter can speak for itself.
Around the year 70 A.D. there was an uprising by the people of Judea against the Romans. It was a disaster for Jerusalem, with the palace amd temple destroyed. Those Jews were not murdered in the city fled to the countryside dispersal. Shortly after that during this time of suffering there was a split between the temple Jews who clung to their own ways and the ones that were becoming to be called Christians. For a short time the disciple Peter, a Jewish Christian worked with Paul but they had some theological disagreements and agreed to split. that reduce-the tension. Several people (Silus, Barnabus, and John Mark, all oriarginally followers of Paul, now follow Peter..others continued to follow Paul/.

Authorship and dating of the epistle is difficult it seems to me that it is likely later than 70 A.D., and likely after the death er the apostle in Rome. If i not written by the apostle Peter, who wrote it and when and where?
The epistle itself is quite short.
 
I already know Seeler won't answer me Jae ----she has never answered me in previous posts so I am not surprised she won't answer now ---But that is Ok ----I don't have a problem with the non answers -----I have a problem with and people Claiming the Holy Spirit directs them to contradict God's word or to cause confusion of God's word ----- When the Word says it is truth and God Breathed ------
 
I already know Seeler won't answer me Jae ----she has never answered me in previous posts so I am not surprised she won't answer now ---But that is Ok ----I don't have a problem with the non answers -----I have a problem with and people Claiming the Holy Spirit directs them to contradict God's word or to cause confusion of God's word ----- When the Word says it is truth and God Breathed ------

Who here has claimed that the Holy Spirit has directed them to do as such unsafe?
 
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