The growing mess that is Iraq

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UnDefinitive

i wouldn't be surprised if ISIL starts offering/already offers a fair health & life insurance plan :)

and it looks like they might be following the green strategy of buy local :ROFLMAO:

i wonder how much longer before they do a TED presentation?
 
Kimmio said:
It is up there, it's not great, I don't know if it is the worst. Beheading infidels in the name of Allah is pretty darn bad.
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Unfortunately, the atrocities committed by Big Money don't get reported by the sensationalist international press the way these beheadings do. The evil of making ever more money with ever more money, regardless of the human and environmental damage this causes, is more widespread than the evil committed by Muslim extremists. But is not getting anywhere near the same attention.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
UnDefinitive

i wouldn't be surprised if ISIL starts offering/already offers a fair health & life insurance plan :)

and it looks like they might be following the green strategy of buy local :ROFLMAO:

i wonder how much longer before they do a TED presentation?
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They already have the best insurance plan possible: Jihadists who die in the Holy War are guaranteed to go straight to heaven, and their widows and orphans get supported by the community -- if they adhere to the same brand of fundamentalism as their fallen husbands and fathers. You know, God looks after His own.:rolleyes:
 
Seems to be the nature of insurance ... the loss of someone's life usually equals a fundamental win for someone else.
 
UnDefinitive said:
Seems to be the nature of insurance ... the loss of someone's life usually equals a fundamental win for someone else.
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:ROFLMAO:

but truly tho

not everyone has the same of everything, right?

non-trivially different lifestyles, incomes, bodies, diseases, chronic conditions, environments, choices, etc etc etc?

thus, a dangerous driver will have higher insurance rates than a non-dangerous driver
 
Oh truly tho ... if dangerous drivers pay higher insurance rates does that then make them less dangerous to the non-dangerous driver? Truly it makes the richest driver the only one who can afford to drive dangerously.
 
Contractors Ready to Cash In On ISIS War
Iraq recently promised immunity for U.S. troops—and it’s likely Baghdad will do the same for contractors too. After all, Iraq’s government has also formally requested U.S. assistance in fighting ISIS and that help was clearly going to include military contractors.

“They are looking for the next big meal ticket and this could be it,” said Sean McFate, a former military contractor for Dyncorp and the author of The Modern Mercenary: Private Armies and What They Mean for World Order. “The things they will provide are logistical support, training or retraining security forces.”

McFate said contractors gave Obama the opportunity to accomplish tasks normally associated with the U.S. military without sending boots on the ground. He said the training missions in particular “would look like Iraqi military boots on the ground and not the U.S. military.” But he said, “It’s a political disguise. This is an industry that is a proxy, it is creating the environment of security and protection without too many U.S. soldiers on the ground.”
 
Entire armies get hired and equipped in order to fight for those who pay them, the paymasters aren't involved other than footing the bill, big money and high tech weapons win, the arms industry and military training industry profit, and countless poor suckers, whose lives aren't worth anywhere near as much as those of American soldiers, bleed and die. Modern day capitalist style proxy warfare, eh? :cry:
 
I've missed so much of this conversation :( I'd just like to say that I wish, if we are going to do anything militaristic, it is in support of a Middle-Eastern-led coalition that is horrified by all this too, and is ready to stop it. Otherwise, it just creates another reason to blame each other when invested people don't make the actual changes. By invested, I mean real blood, sweat and most of all, tears rather than oil and lucrative contracts.
 
http://globalnews.ca/video/1603942/canada-will-join-the-war-in-iraq

Tue, Oct 7: Canada will be joining the war in Iraq. Conservative MPs in the House of Commons have approved a motion clearing the way for Canadian CF-18’s to take part in airstrikes in the Middle East. Vassy Kapelos reports.

Wed, Oct 8: Three million Syrian refugees have registered with the UN, and half of them are children. Canada promised last year to take in 1,300 Syrians, but it’s unclear how many have actually made it here. Shirlee Engel reports.
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Things are unrolling as they should (in the view of the US government). ISIS was funded and equipped by Saudi Arabia, the Emirates - and the US. The objective is to destroy the social and political structures of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, etc. - to create poverty, disorder and disunity in order to give the US a free hand. - as well as to cut off any Russian or Chinese commercial intrusions. Part of this will involved the destruction of Palestine, the exile of its people, and the joining of its land with Israel for a Greater Israel that many also include Lebanon.
 
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In the Ottoman Empire, what is now the state of Iraq consisted of four distinct Ottoman provinces. Kurdistan was one of them. When the boundaries of the present Arab nation states were drawn in 1920, most of Kurdistan ended up in Iraq, even though Kurds are ethnically different from Arabs, have their own distinct language and culture, and believe in a more moderate version of Islam. Their women, for instance, go unveiled and enjoy a relatively high degree of equality. Significant Kurdish minorities also exist in Syria, Iran, and Turkey.

Ever since Kurdistan was rudely overlooked by Britain and France in 1920, Kurds wanted their own homeland. There has been a Kurdish independence movement in all four countries, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey, and Kurdish independence fighters were regarded as rebels or terrorists in all of those. Only the Iraqi Kurds were given regional autonomy after the Iraq-American war.

The Iraqi Kurds are now the only serious resistance against the spread of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. In Iraq they enjoy regional autonomy, but in Iran, Turkey, and Syria they are still regarded as rebels and/or terrorists. Although Germany and some other European countries, along with Canada, have pledged to supply the Iraqui Kurds, supplies have a hard time making it through Turkey to Iraq or Syria because Turkey regards Kurds as terrorists and enemies of the Turkish state. Turkey is afraid, and rightly so, that well armed Iraqi Kurds, after they have defeated ISIS, will invade Turkish Kurdistan and make it part of their Kurdish homeland.

The mess that is Syria/Iraq can only be resolved by international cooperation. All players need to sit down at the negotiating table and negotiate in earnest.

Difficult, but not impossible.
 
Hermann said:
Ever since Kurdistan was rudely overlooked by Britain and France in 1920.
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And this is a key statement in Hermann's post. WE created the modern Middle East by artificially changing and redrawing borders to reward our allies after WWI. The hodge-podge of sheikdoms in the Arab peninsula, including Saudi Arabia, is part of that, too. Therefore, WE need to either learn from that experience and work towards a just, sensible solution or get our noses out of the Middle East because if WE screw it up again, WE and they are going to keep paying the price for it.
 
Hermann said:
Yes, we drew arbitrary state boundaries, disregarding tribal, ethnic, linguistic and sectarian boundaries.
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Yes, the arbitrary older belief systems (of which 'country' and 'culture' and 'citizen' are some) of these various tribal, ethnic, linguistic, sectarian etc were supplanted by newer belief systems

Belief systems are quite powerful

And so it goes
 
more worldview mapping and systems-level wholism from Howard Bloom looking at what Bill Cosby, ISIL, Ferguson & the Snow in Buffalo have in common



For further looks into his wholeistic look at the forces of history, I heartily recommend his book "The Lucifer Principle" (also available for free online)
 
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