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What I enjoy is the Jesus freaks up in arms over Rev. Vosper like she's the downfall of the UCCan, when the UCCan was already damned to hell for same sex marriage and I'm sure other issues. Once you've already threatened a denomination with being heretics if they do something, and they do it anyway, how can you threaten them with being heretics again? Is there a heretical hierarchy? Are you really threatening them with descending to a lower circle of hell? Be more specific.
 
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chansen said:
Where the Rev. Vosper review will likely still be pending.
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Which to all intents and purposes is working very well for the 'Rev' ... were she to show some integrity and step down from her 'pulpit' and humbly continue on her atheist way ... who would seek her speaking engagements ... who would buy her books ... who would attend her fundraising auctions at the church pub nites ...
Click here to support Friends of Gretta Vosper Assoc. organized by Friends of Gretta Vosper
 
chansen said:
Where the Rev. Vosper review will likely still be pending.
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Does anyone know how often our denominational council will meet? Looking through the GC43 material, I learned we will continue to use the existing terminology, "General Council".
 
paradox3 said:
Does anyone know how often our denominational council will meet? Looking through the GC43 material, I learned we will continue to use the existing terminology, "General Council".
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Maybe now therez a True Geek as Mod, he'll change the phrase to Overlord Star Chamber
Or Bene Gesserit Tea and Pain
 
monk said:
Which to all intents and purposes is working very well for the 'Rev' ... were she to show some integrity and step down from her 'pulpit' and humbly continue on her atheist way ... who would seek her speaking engagements ... who would buy her books ... who would attend her fundraising auctions at the church pub nites ...
Click here to support Friends of Gretta Vosper Assoc. organized by Friends of Gretta Vosper
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It's "working well" if you think some potential firing hanging over your head that us costing legal fees is "working very well". Besides, she has many convinced that she belongs right where she is. She has supporters and congregants, which is more than you can say for a the failed United churches in Scarborough.

She would have a following whether the UCCan were holding this review or not. The people attacking her made her more popular. The United Church initiating the review has also raised her profile. More people know about Rev. Vosper because of this, and this has brought her more popularity. Now more people will be upset if she is placed on the DSL.

The United Church simply did not think this through. Now, they don't know what to do. They can't get people to sit on this panel - that much is obvious. Whether they even want it to go ahead or not is in question. They may just keep postponing it until Rev. Vosper leaves or retires. They may eventually come up with some reason why it can't go ahead at all. I think those are the two most likely conclusions, because this is a fight against Rev. Vosper and an entire congregation that is fired up, and a scattering of supporters denomination-wide, for which they don't have the money or the energy.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they convince enough people to sit on the panel and they push ahead with it. But right now, there is clearly little appetite to continue down a divisive path, and a waning objection to the presence of Rev. Vosper. I think they're looking for a way out.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I begin to think that the church at large has looked at the bleeding of the denomination in terms of ministry 'units' closing and amalgamating, etc., and have decided that a 'functioning congregation' is a definite asset. (BTW , has anyone seen Paradox recently?)
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It is arguable that WHUC is not in fact a functioning congregation of the UCCan. In that they do not do sacraments or use the Bible as Foundational Authority. They may be a functioning congregation but may not in fact be fulfilling what is expected of a community of faith within the denomination
 
GordW said:
It is arguable that WHUC is not in fact a functioning congregation of the UCCan. In that they do not do sacraments or use the Bible as Foundational Authority. They may be a functioning congregation but may not in fact be fulfilling what is expected of a community of faith within the denomination
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Thus the closed circle of theology versus the ultimate philosophy! When researching "ultimate" is that further beyond us in the mental distance than one would accept as solid? Eire spatial concepts?

Lighter years travel in a rush ...
 
chansen said:
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they convince enough people to sit on the panel and they push ahead with it. But right now, there is clearly little appetite to continue down a divisive path, and a waning objection to the presence of Rev. Vosper. I think they're looking for a way out.
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You have no idea whether the denomination is looking for a way out or not.
In the absence of information you are just speculating.

Which is all any of us can do, really.

Time will tell.
 
paradox3 said:
You have no idea whether the denomination is looking for a way out or not.
In the absence of information you are just speculating.

Which is all any of us can do, really.

Time will tell.
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Why not use our Hotline to g_ddess and ask Him?
Such a useful resource...at our Christian fingertips...
 
paradox3 said:
You have no idea whether the denomination is looking for a way out or not.
In the absence of information you are just speculating.
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Of course I am. Based on no movement other than an acknowledgement in November 2017 that a panel could not be assembled with two months notice, and the public suggestion that they "hoped" the panel would convene in the winter. Which it didn't. Same with the spring. And now the summer.

It may simply be that every time they think they have a panel ready, someone has a dentist appointment or a hangnail. By now, I think the simple explanation is that every time they ask a prospective neutral panelist, the answer is, "Hell no."

There are, I'm sure, people chomping at the bit to get rid of her. Those people have done a lousy job of keeping quiet these last few years, so I'm guessing they are out as panelists, which ironically makes it harder for them to get rid of her, which fills me with a certain degree of schadenfreude. Those who are vocal supporters of Gretta are similarly out. Maybe there just isn't a sufficient pool of neutral candidates, but I have to believe by now that any neutral person is running away from that panel while screaming. Who wants that job and that blame, which will come from whichever side loses? You can only lose by being on that panel, no matter the decision.

So yes, I'm speculating. But I think I'm also making sense.

This is where you could tell me about the Holy Spirit guiding the process if you'd like.
 
The UCC bought the possibility of maintaining itself at the price of concessions ... it seems one of the concessions that they are debating is removing the cornerstone of Jesus Christ at it's foundation ... I doubt the holy spirit is invested in the outcome of who or who does not get paid to stand at the pulpit of this particular building that the UCC has purchased title to.
 
monk said:
... it seems one of the concessions that they are debating is removing the cornerstone of Jesus Christ at it's foundation ...
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An interesting point although I don't think anyone is actually considering removing Jesus as the cornerstone of our denomination. It is more a matter of how Jesus as "cornerstone" is interpreted.

Funny how most of the controversy around Gretta centers on her belief/ non-belief in God. What does she mean when she says she is an atheist? How does atheism differ from non-theism? What exactly is meant by post-theism?

Seldom do we hear any discussion about the role of Jesus in her theology. Probably a more important question.
 
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