TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Yes. That's part of the reason why I've been reluctant to come to any decision about just what that meeting with Putin was about. Really, his only interest is in the wealthy of American society. That certainly does not mean any real interest in the people or even the wealthy of Europe.
 
More flippancy of reciprocation ... to bounce the Russians out and place a 400 pound man rigidly in the conservative position ... hard to move!

Would we ... or wouldn't we use Wotan here ? Just the devil ...
 
But he just can’t help himself

He now says, reading from a script, which means his staff have written it and told him to read it

I meant to say. I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia

But then in his own words he adds in. Or it could be others. And he clarifies for people. That’s a like a double negative

OMG.
 
Yes. That's part of the reason why I've been reluctant to come to any decision about just what that meeting with Putin was about. Really, his only interest is in the wealthy of American society. That certainly does not mean any real interest in the people or even the wealthy of Europe.
I'm not really sure that his interest is even in "the wealthy of American society." I think his interest is himself. That such a self-interest would benefit his fellow wealthy Americans is a happy by-product for them.

Lastpointe said:
He now says, reading from a script, which means his staff have written it and told him to read it

I meant to say. I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia

But then in his own words he adds in. Or it could be others. And he clarifies for people. That’s a like a double negative
There have, from the moment he announced his candidacy, been two Trumps - the one that reads from the script or the teleprompter and the one that speaks off the cuff.

The off the cuff Trump is obviously the real thing.

His performance over the last couple of months (starting with the G7 Summit, through NATO and to the Putin meeting) has been telling, as many have pointed out.

He has levelled criticism (even attacks) against Trudeau, Merkel, May - and even, mildly in his "correction," Putin. But he's never done it to their face. He won't do it to their face. He can't do it to their face. Because he's a typical bully who is, at heart, a coward. He'll talk a tough game as long as he doesn't have to do it face to face with the one he's talking against.

And if you look at the foreign leaders he seems to like most and sometimes (often) speaks kindly of - Putin, Kim, Xi, Dutarte, Erdogan - it's, again, textbook. Those who are weak like to compensate for their weaknesses by getting close with those who seem strong and tough.
 
CBC had someone speaking of his past ties with Russia. I'd like to listen to it again. It seems to me the Russian mafia and other organizations bailed him out of bankruptcy when he was a real estate developer. He is beholding to them. That is the short, off the cuff summary of what I think I heard.

Has anyone else heard more about this?
 
Trying to understand something here......if the CIA has found the American election was hacked by the Russians.....why does the election still stand and those "elected" still deserve to be elected officials? Why was the election that was hacked not disqualified and basically held again?
 
Trying to understand something here......if the CIA has found the American election was hacked by the Russians.....why does the election still stand and those "elected" still deserve to be elected officials? Why was the election that was hacked not disqualified and basically held again?

The election itself was not "hacked" per se, i.e. there is no evidence they actually interfered with the ballots. Instead, the problem is that they interfered by manipulating messages put out on social media in order to try to achieve a particular outcome. That's a much fuzzier area in terms of actually suspending the election. It doesn't guarantee success as stuffing the ballot box would, only raises the probability.
 
The election itself was not "hacked" per se, i.e. there is no evidence they actually interfered with the ballots. Instead, the problem is that they interfered by manipulating messages put out on social media in order to try to achieve a particular outcome. That's a much fuzzier area in terms of actually suspending the election. It doesn't guarantee success as stuffing the ballot box would, only raises the probability.
Thank you, I don't know why, but I thought it meant that they had messed with an electronic ballot system or something.
 
but I thought it meant that they had messed with an electronic ballot system or something.

If you'd ever seen some of the gerrymandered electoral districts down there, you'd see that "stuffing a ballot box" is hardly necessary. Pointing a few of the more ignorant of the masses in the preferred direction will do.
 
If you'd ever seen some of the gerrymandered electoral districts down there, you'd see that "stuffing a ballot box" is hardly necessary. Pointing a few of the more ignorant of the masses in the preferred direction will do.
Kind of crazy that people actually want us to have a hostile relationship with Russia. Mainstream media basically wants World War 3 and people seem to be cheering it on! Crazy.
 
Kind of crazy that people actually want us to have a hostile relationship with Russia. Mainstream media basically wants World War 3 and people seem to be cheering it on! Crazy.

I think there is a lot of ground between cozying up to the Russian regime and WW3. A healthy relationship would be maintaining trade and diplomatic ties while still keeping a healthy distance politically. That's a long way from "hostile".
 
Kind of crazy that people actually want us to have a hostile relationship with Russia. Mainstream media basically wants World War 3 and people seem to be cheering it on! Crazy.

A sacral need to escape here and now .. and they don't know it ... Freud defined it as a death wish or a peculiar star ... this picked up by Dr. Hawking ...
 
Wouldn't we all like to get along with China and Russia? Making friends with our enemies and resorting to a world that trades freely with one another? But should we also be watching what Trump actually does more than his misguided and juvenile rhetoric. He may focus on outlandish comments but what is he actually doing in the world? Seems to me he is encouraging Germany to have less energy dependency on Russia for trade and turn their dependency towards the USA, likewise with other European nations. He is more interested in the deal rather than securing a healthy relationship with other countries. Even with North Korea, his goal is to disarm the other while continuing to keep most of the nukes for himself.
I personally see nothing wrong with opening a relationship and trade with other countries that have traditionally been enemies, it's just that he is not capable or adept enough to do it.
 
He is more interested in the deal rather than securing a healthy relationship with other countries.

And that's different from any other world leader how? Is Trudeau thinking about the benefits to China when negotiating free trade with them? Is May thinking about the benefit of the EU when negotiating Brexit? And so on. When leaders meet, it's always about the deal and what they can get for their country. The only difference with Trump is that most leaders (even Putin and Xi) recognize that to achieve that, there needs to be some give and take. Trump just wants the take.
 
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