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Here's a bone being thrown to the rabid base:

The new parliamentary assistant to the Minister of Education in Sam Oosterhoff. Some background on him:

Sam is 21. He has no experience at all of the public school system (or for that matter of private schools) because he was home schooled his entire life until spending less than a year studying Political Science at Brock University in St. Catharines before he was elected to the Legislature.

He won the PC nomination in Niagara West-Glanbrook after Tim Hudak stepped down, riding a wave of evangelical, social conservative, hard-right support who came out to nominate him. Until he was elected he had lived with his parents his entire life, having no personal experience of having to pay property taxes or hydro bills or water bills, etc., etc.

Shortly after being elected (he was one of two members elected in by-elections on the same day) his swearing in was delayed for one day, speculation being that he was deliberately kept out of the Legislature by the Conservatives to prevent him from either being able to speak or vote on Bill 28, which passed unanimously and made it easier for same sex parents to adopt. Oosterhoff had publicly said he would oppose the bill regardless of what the PC caucus had decided because it was an "insult" to mothers and fathers.

He's anti-sex ed curriculum, anti- same sex marriage, anti- same sex adoption, anti-abortion.

He's a committed member of a congregation of The Canadian and American Reformed Church. Interesting denomination. In Canada, there are 57 congregations according to their website. It was started by Dutch immigrants post-World War II who first tried the Christian Reformed Church in North America - a very conservative denomination that had split from the Reformed Church in America (also on the conservative side of the spectrum) in the mid-19th century, because they found the Reformed Church in America too liberal. The post-War Dutch immigrants found the very conservative Christian Reformed Church in North America (which is very conservative and had found the conservative Reformed Church in America too liberal) to be too liberal, and so they formed their own ultra-conservative Reformed Church because the conservative Reformed Church and the very conservative Christian Reformed Church were too liberal.

Actually that's more than a bone being thrown to the rabid base. That's raw, bloody red meat.
 
revsdd said:
Here's a bone being thrown to the rabid base:

The new parliamentary assistant to the Minister of Education in Sam Oosterhoff. Some background on him:

Sam is 21. He has no experience at all of the public school system (or for that matter of private schools) because he was home schooled his entire life until spending less than a year studying Political Science at Brock University in St. Catharines before he was elected to the Legislature.

He won the PC nomination in Niagara West-Glanbrook after Tim Hudak stepped down, riding a wave of evangelical, social conservative, hard-right support who came out to nominate him. Until he was elected he had lived with his parents his entire life, having no personal experience of having to pay property taxes or hydro bills or water bills, etc., etc.

Shortly after being elected (he was one of two members elected in by-elections on the same day) his swearing in was delayed for one day, speculation being that he was deliberately kept out of the Legislature by the Conservatives to prevent him from either being able to speak or vote on Bill 28, which passed unanimously and made it easier for same sex parents to adopt. Oosterhoff had publicly said he would oppose the bill regardless of what the PC caucus had decided because it was an "insult" to mothers and fathers.

He's anti-sex ed curriculum, anti- same sex marriage, anti- same sex adoption, anti-abortion.

He's a committed member of a congregation of The Canadian and American Reformed Church. Interesting denomination. In Canada, there are 57 congregations according to their website. It was started by Dutch immigrants post-World War II who first tried the Christian Reformed Church in North America - a very conservative denomination that had split from the Reformed Church in America (also on the conservative side of the spectrum) in the mid-19th century, because they found the Reformed Church in America too liberal. The post-War Dutch immigrants found the very conservative Christian Reformed Church in North America (which is very conservative and had found the conservative Reformed Church in America too liberal) to be too liberal, and so they formed their own ultra-conservative Reformed Church because the conservative Reformed Church and the very conservative Christian Reformed Church were too liberal.

Actually that's more than a bone being thrown to the rabid base. That's raw, bloody red meat.
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Perspective is an interesting thing. A member of a conservative church, I've never thought of the CRC as being, "very conservative." Rather, I feel they're moderate. Not UCC or UCCanada, but not United Reform or Independent Baptist either.

Anyhoo, I really like that Oosterhoff is, "...anti-sex ed curriculum... anti-abortion." Though I'm assuming you mean that he's against the current curriculum rather than against sex-ed altogether.
 
I've actually done a lot of reading on the history of the broader Reformed/reformed Church/churches over the years, because it's a hodge podge of church splits, with almost as many variations as Baptists.

The United Church and the Presbyterian Church are, of course, reformed churches but aren't even on the same spectrum theologically as those that have kept "Reformed" in the name in one way or another. What appears "liberal" on the "Reformed" (Capital "R") spectrum is actually fairly conservative on the more mainline reformed (small "r") spectrum.

The Canadian-American Reformed Churches explored the possibility of an organic union with the United Reformed Church, most of whose congregations also split from the Christian Reformed Church (which split from the Reformed Church because the Reformed Church was too liberal) because they found the Christian Reformed Church too liberal. Negotiations from what I've read broke off because the CARC (the Canadian wing is known as the CanRC) found the URC (which split from the CRC because the CRC was too liberal, the CRC having split from the RC because the RC was too liberal) too liberal.
 
revsdd said:
I've actually done a lot of reading on the history of the broader Reformed/reformed Church/churches over the years, because it's a hodge podge of church splits, with almost as many variations as Baptists.

The United Church and the Presbyterian Church are, of course, reformed churches but aren't even on the same spectrum theologically as those that have kept "Reformed" in the name in one way or another. What appears "liberal" on the "Reformed" (Capital "R") spectrum is actually fairly conservative on the more mainline reformed (small "r") spectrum.

The Canadian-American Reformed Churches explored the possibility of an organic union with the United Reformed Church, most of whose congregations also split from the Christian Reformed Church (which split from the Reformed Church because the Reformed Church was too liberal) because they found the Christian Reformed Church too liberal. Negotiations from what I've read broke off because the CARC (the Canadian wing is known as the CanRC) found the URC (which split from the CRC because the CRC was too liberal, the CRC having split from the RC because the RC was too liberal) too liberal.
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Sic volvitur circum caput. :confused:

My exposure to the CRC has mostly been from one congregation here in Etobicoke. Yobo, a couple of friends and I once did Alpha with them. Perhaps that particular congregation is more liberal than are most.
 
Jae said:
Perspective is an interesting thing. A member of a conservative church, I've never thought of the CRC as being, "very conservative." Rather, I feel they're moderate. Not UCC or UCCanada, but not United Reform or Independent Baptist either.

Anyhoo, I really like that Oosterhoff is, "...anti-sex ed curriculum... anti-abortion." Though I'm assuming you mean that he's against the current curriculum rather than against sex-ed altogether.
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If anti sex works perhaps we could achieve the exile of dick heads ...

Alas emotions rule over ... at least on this side of the dark mire ... some decide to martyr themselves ... thus Jesus as God of Light departed ... Levant us alone ... Ecclesiastes a Zeke'n out ... so watch for it ... so you can lo'k out

And small "r" is like gamma ... a dark icon ... thus some oligarchs would keep the common people there ... contrary to some text that states tech my people ... but choice remains to learn or to not ... easier not eh Bi?

With a large cycle id'll come round ...
 
Luce NDs said:
If anti sex works perhaps we could achieve the exile of dick heads ...

Alas emotions rule over ... at least on this side of the dark mire ... some decide to martyr themselves ... thus Jesus as God of Light departed ... Levant us alone ...
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I don't know of anyone who is "anti sex," do you Luce?
 
Jae said:
I don't know of anyone who is "anti sex," do you Luce?
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You have claimed so many times and that people shouldn't learn anything about it as children of God! Do you deny your attitude and attributes about teaching?

Might as well talk to a tree ...

Mortal teaching is so limited ... and thus I extend myself ... looking forward to becoming essence ...
 
Jae said:
No I haven't.



I deny that I have done as you have just claimed above.
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You despise teaching children except in very narrow ways to keep them thin and stretched for whatever ... the single book way ... contrary to the Gospel of John's termination ... the light we don;t know is out of this world ... unearthly or dis mired? Thus gone ...

Wasn't Jesus hung up to dry too for processing differently?

Really disturbs the seized by power that corrupts ... I take the lesser power ... so sous-la ... you may have overlooked that!

Beware of the tall red haired stranger... his shadow could consume ya'...
 
Luce NDs said:
You despise teaching children except in very narrow ways to keep them thin and stretched for whatever ... the single book way ... contrary to the Gospel of John's termination ... the light we don;t know is out of this world ... unearthly or dis mired? Thus gone ...

Wasn't Jesus hung up to dry too for processing differently?

Really disturbs the seized by power that corrupts ... I take the lesser power ... so sous-la ... you may have overlooked that!

Beware of the tall red haired stranger... his shadow could consume ya'...
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Interesting perception you have going on for you there Luce. Have a good Canada Day.
 
revsdd said:
I've actually done a lot of reading on the history of the broader Reformed/reformed Church/churches over the years, because it's a hodge podge of church splits, with almost as many variations as Baptists.
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That is rather insulting. There are nowhere near the divisions in Reformed churches that there are in Baptist churches.
revsdd said:
The United Church and the Presbyterian Church are, of course, reformed churches but aren't even on the same spectrum theologically as those that have kept "Reformed" in the name in one way or another. What appears "liberal" on the "Reformed" (Capital "R") spectrum is actually fairly conservative on the more mainline reformed (small "r") spectrum.
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This. RCA, CRC are more "liberal" than Canadian Reformed Church which is more "liberal" than the Free Reformed and Netherlands Reformed. and yet because these denominations treat scripture as infallible rather than inerrant there will always be some who find them less conservative in their theology. Which points to some rather weird understandings of what liberal and conservative mean theologically.
 
revjohn said:
That is rather insulting. There are nowhere near the divisions in Reformed churches that there are in Baptist churches.



This. RCA, CRC are more "liberal" than Canadian Reformed Church which is more "liberal" than the Free Reformed and Netherlands Reformed. and yet because these denominations treat scripture as infallible rather than inerrant there will always be some who find them less conservative in their theology. Which points to some rather weird understandings of what liberal and conservative mean theologically.
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Tis all schism ... according to what I've experienced ... nothing in the moral sense gets much together but hate of the other! That's the alternate ... sometimes the word "arch" ... tis typical in fixations ... like archaeological ... buried stuff ...
 
revjohn said:
That is rather insulting. There are nowhere near the divisions in Reformed churches that there are in Baptist churches.
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Hard to tell if you're being serious about being insulted or not. If you are, two responses:

(1) Lighten up. Seriously.

(2) I was using deliberate exaggeration to make a point. There's a lot of division and there have been a lot of schisms in the reformed family of churches.
 
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