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Thanks. This is making things a little clearer for me.

Our view of the sacraments is likely somewhere in between Baptist and Catholic traditions. With a wide range of understandings as is typical of us.:)

Understanding can be bound in a shroud and hid away as if an injury to the desires ...

Such is a fabrication in some distant traditions ...
 
Thanks. This is making things a little clearer for me.

Our view of the sacraments is likely somewhere in between Baptist and Catholic traditions. With a wide range of understandings as is typical of us.:)

Mine leans more toward the Catholic view than the Baptist, though I believe in consubtantiation rather than transubstantiation, and I don't see the sacraments as being absolutely necessary for salvation.
 
"consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation" ... funny words that are poorly understood by common folk ... the church patriarchy felt it was better unknown ... and thus buried gems in substance!

Hoo'M'N being greatly deprived of such attributes as seen as not pragmatic to the powers ... the devil collects the pieces ... in re assembly!
 
There is - that they're the one who has it right. :D

I absolutely disagree. We have such a wide variety of opinions in my church family that we're certain of nothing except that being kind and trying to like and help each other assists with the confusion a bit.
 
I absolutely disagree. We have such a wide variety of opinions in my church family that we're certain of nothing except that being kind and trying to like and help each other assists with the confusion a bit.

And your congregation doesn't see your big tent philosophy as being the right one, the one that all others should follow?
 
I absolutely disagree. We have such a wide variety of opinions in my church family that we're certain of nothing except that being kind and trying to like and help each other assists with the confusion a bit.

Key word ... certain of nothing ... the great void resulting from extreme passions ...

People fight over it even if the state is volatile as heaven ... it goes round! Vortex ... vanity personified when you have that inferior feeling? Tis subtle ...
 
And your congregation doesn't see your big tent philosophy as being the right one, the one that all others should follow?

Too in tense for the humble ... small black items of iconography? PIX 'Ls ... abbreviation of Lilith ... slithering words in the shadows ... adept of Sophia? Subtle wisdom is oppressed into partisan form ... due to censure ... when they are insure about dialogue and quiet intercourse with their silent Buddha's ... boo-Dei... Buddy? Tis in Nate ... Tue far in ...
 
And your congregation doesn't see your big tent philosophy as being the right one, the one that all others should follow?

Not if they're not comfortable with that. If someone attended our congregation for a while, and was truly uncomfortable with a questioning spirit, the probability that none of us have it quite correct, and sought pastoral advice for their discomfort, someone pastoral might suggest that their comfort zone might lie in a denom/congregation with more answers.
 
Not if they're not comfortable with that. If someone attended our congregation for a while, and was truly uncomfortable with a questioning spirit, the probability that none of us have it quite correct, and sought pastoral advice for their discomfort, someone pastoral might suggest that their comfort zone might lie in a denom/congregation with more answers.

And I Thessalonians 5:21 is biblical and often overlooked by HS-type ... nauti Lust for power of the opposing kind ... oppressive to observation of things unseen?
 
Not if they're not comfortable with that. If someone attended our congregation for a while, and was truly uncomfortable with a questioning spirit, the probability that none of us have it quite correct, and sought pastoral advice for their discomfort, someone pastoral might suggest that their comfort zone might lie in a denom/congregation with more answers.

Delightful to hear Bette. :)
 
Then was God pleased with the substitution of a fabricated wall with a stone wall between God and all else?

How is the essence of everything to circulate when bricked up? I get an image of Merri Lynn ... Merlin fore shortened for a shortened thorn in the myth ... bugs those carrying inflated balloons ...

I 'ave this aspiration ... the great break out ... does this hostile domain deserve ends? No thus the ongoing purge ...
 
Not if they're not comfortable with that. If someone attended our congregation for a while, and was truly uncomfortable with a questioning spirit, the probability that none of us have it quite correct, and sought pastoral advice for their discomfort, someone pastoral might suggest that their comfort zone might lie in a denom/congregation with more answers.
Or someone pastoral might choose to explore the discomfort in a non-judgmental fashion.

Suggesting that an individual needs to leave a congregation or denomination can be problematic in itself. Kind of belies any claims that are made about being an inclusive church.
 
And your congregation doesn't see your big tent philosophy as being the right one, the one that all others should follow?
I don't think Bette is saying all others should follow her congregation's philosophy.
 
Or someone pastoral might choose to explore the discomfort in a non-judgmental fashion.

Suggesting that an individual needs to leave a congregation or denomination can be problematic in itself. Kind of belies any claims that are made about being an inclusive church.

Supports denial and elimination of all things ... like a political purge ... purge a' tory? Word is like that as it evolves with changing place, time and light of a darker human mob ... demos host? With a tip a' rare Eire ... angels ... dark and unseen?
 
Or someone pastoral might choose to explore the discomfort in a non-judgmental fashion.

Suggesting that an individual needs to leave a congregation or denomination can be problematic in itself. Kind of belies any claims that are made about being an inclusive church.

I don't know. If someone is really clearly out of place, e.g. an evangelical in a progressive church, that may, in fact, be the best answer. You clearly aren't going to change your theology and practice for their benefit and they are unlikely to change their views. At least the conversation is happening instead of them just dancing out the door without a word as to why. After all, how far do you have to go to be welcoming? What if that discomfort is because of the church's lesbian or trans minister? Is the church going to choose keeping that member over keeping that minister?

It's a problem in UU'ism, probably moreso than for Bette's church. If someone who is a hard theist seeking salvation comes in the door of a humanist-leaning UU church, they aren't likely to be satisfied even if they bring a "questioning spirit" or are unitarian in their theism. All that church can say is that we welcome them and hope they find something, maybe even invite them to talk on their views in a service. But that's it. The church isn't going to bend over backwards to make them fit in if they clearly are not a fit, esp. if their views clash with those of other members.
 
I don't know. If someone is really clearly out of place, e.g. an evangelical in a progressive church, that may, in fact, be the best answer. You clearly aren't going to change your theology and practice for their benefit and they are unlikely to change their views. At least the conversation is happening instead of them just dancing out the door without a word as to why. After all, how far do you have to go to be welcoming? What if that discomfort is because of the church's lesbian or trans minister? Is the church going to choose keeping that member over keeping that minister?

It's a problem in UU'ism, probably moreso than for Bette's church. If someone who is a hard theist seeking salvation comes in the door of a humanist-leaning UU church, they aren't likely to be satisfied even if they bring a "questioning spirit" or are unitarian in their theism. All that church can say is that we welcome them and hope they find something, maybe even invite them to talk on their views in a service. But that's it. The church isn't going to bend over backwards to make them fit in if they clearly are not a fit, esp. if their views clash with those of other members.

Like rotten fish in the caldron? Thus it was wrote ...
 
It might depend an awful lot on the source of the discomfort, I suppose. And just how wide the big tent strives to be.

Agreed that no place can be all things to all people.
 
It might depend an awful lot on the source of the discomfort, I suppose. And just how wide the big tent strives to be.

Agreed that no place can be all things to all people.

An in tents fabrication of eternal knowledge in a mortal domain? Impossible aspiration ...
 
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