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This should really be a new post -but I'm not smart enough to know how to do that. Anyway, it sort of fits in with Trump.

Trump has ordered that the funeral of Billy Graham be held under the Rotunda in Washington's capital. This is a very, very rare honour. So why do it?

Billy Graham was a Baptist evangelist who, from 1949 into the 1990s was virtually the evangelist-in-chief for the White House. He had an open door to give religious advice to the presidents, cabinet members, Senators, and did so in a gruelling schedule. No other clergyman has ever done that. To understand that, you have to understand two things about Billy Graham.

He grew up in an American belief that God was an American. They called it Manifest Destiny, the belief that it was God's will that they should kill native peoples, invade Canada, Mexico, Latin American, The Phillipines.... God wanted Americans - and American capitalists - to rule the world. The British Empire was built on a similar view. And the poet Kipling welcomed Americans into that myth of God's will with his poem "Take up the White Man's Burden".

By 1945, the thinking of American politicians and capitalists had taken a giant leap in that concept. Their next target would be China to capture the immense wealth of Chinese trade and cheap labour. That's what the Korean war was about. Indeed, American capitalists were now - and still are - seriously looking at world domination.

But one problem that concerned them was that Americans might become critical of a nation run by capitalists, one in which most Americans would be neglected. A particular fear was that they might be attracted to communism. One result of this was the formation of Senator McCarthy's committee on unAmerican activities. It attacked the Soviet Union because it's communism was not American. (However, American capitalism's killing of North Koreans and enslavement of Latin Americans was good - and very American.) A supporter of McCarthy was the very wealthy William Randolph Hearst, America's most successful newspaper magnate. He heard of two preachers, Billy Graham and Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, both of whom were developing large followings, both of whom were anti-communist. Hearst ordered his newspapers to give lots of reporting about them, to make them famous.

(I should add in all of this that none of these people really knew what communism was. Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union was certainly evil. But it was never communist. In fact, so far as I know, no nation has ever been communist. The irving press still doesn't know that.)

Politicians, too, saw the advantages of these anti-communist preachers. They would further the anti-communist crusade, and they could build support for politicians. Billy Graham would be particularly useful to appeal to the votes of the bible belt. (So it is not a coincidence that Trump ordered the funeral to be held in the capitol.)

In particular, politicians saw the advantage of getting PR through inviting them to give religious counsel to them on a regular basis. So he did. And, though he advised presidents not noted for their religious values - from Truman to Nixon to Johnson to George Bush Sr. - Billy Graham never once criticized their wars in which they killed millions, mostly civilians. He never criticized mass bombing with napalm, never mentioned the Agent Orange in Vietnam that is still killing people. And most certainly, he never criticized the massive corruption of American governments by billionaires - or the neglect of the poor - or the failure of the U.S. to provide even basic social services -or the massive shift of national wealth from the poor to the very rich which was a feature from the 1960s on.

When Martin Luther King didn't get invitations like that. And when he spoke on social problems, he was killed. But Billy Graham represented a God for whom Americans were His chosen people, and capitalism His chosen economy. American capitalists and politicians and armies had a right to kill. And those who were killed were victims of their own evil and ungodliness. And their killers were still God's chosen people.

For all his skill as an orator, Billy Graham's understanding of Christianity (and of American history and of economic systems) was primitive. And those he 'brought to God' were brought into false belief in being killers for an American god.

He was a stooge for politicians and capitalists, a front created to justify what was a thoroughly unChristian leadership of the U.S. The people who created him -like William Randolph Hearst and Richard Nixon and the rest - were scoundrels and killers consumed by greed.


P.S. Because Billy Graham believed in an American God, he was disturbed that Jews were prominent as news media owners.
He expressed this to Richard Nixon, not knowing that the tape recorder was on.

I have no doubt that pulpits across Canada this Sunday will vibrate with sermons about the greatness of Billy Graham. Canadian clergy, too, seem to believe that God is a Canadian, that an economic system that penalizes the poor for being poor is quite in accord with the teaching of Jesus, and it's okay to drop napalm on foreign children, especially if they're communists.
As with Billy Graham, Christianity has come to mean drifting along with the rest.
 
Not at all that I can think of. But He didn't have an elected government to deal with, just an army of occupation. We have elected governments. They represent us. And we are responsible for what they do - or don't do.
 
This should really be a new post -but I'm not smart enough to know how to do that.
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I have no doubt that pulpits across Canada this Sunday will vibrate with sermons about the greatness of Billy Graham. Canadian clergy, too, seem to believe that God is a Canadian, that an economic system that penalizes the poor for being poor is quite in accord with the teaching of Jesus, and it's okay to drop napalm on foreign children, especially if they're communists.
As with Billy Graham, Christianity has come to mean drifting along with the rest.

I don't know about all the pulpits across Canada, but I doubt very much that Billy Graham will even be mentioned in my home church.

I have attended the UCC all my life and I don't remember ever hearing a sermon like those you mention. Certainly not in the last 30 or 40 years.
 
Oh, dear godde in heaven, I'm not sure exactly how to react to that. I don't think I have any "friends" like that, unless they were absent-mindedly picked up via a game, in which case they have self-weeded, largely.

And they say Godde isn't in Cahoots with deviates ... demons of thought?
 
A Reddit comment thread from this morning, in response to news Jared Kushner's business got loans from lending companies, within months of holding meetings with Jared Kushner in the White House.

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I immediately upvoted the first comment because, yeah, Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm so he wouldn't have a conflict of interest, and yet here we are in 2018, and you can get millions in loans from companies "advising" the US government you represent.

But the last three comments at the bottom I thought were also relevant to WC2.
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Accept things as they are????????? That too is questionable ... say so in the bible: to question, test all things ... many of the obstinate wouldn't go that far ...
 
But the last three comments at the bottom I thought were also relevant to WC2.
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Good old atheist logic:
I’d almost like to go out and help Christians doing good in the world because it would be fun to hang with nice people.

Ya, too bad they don’t accept us for who we are though.:rolleyes:

Ya, I guess we don’t have to do anything now, they have it covered.
 
Good old atheist logic:
I’d almost like to go out and help Christians doing good in the world because it would be fun to hang with nice people.

Ya, too bad they don’t accept us for who we are though.:rolleyes:

Ya, I guess we don’t have to do anything now, they have it covered.

Buried info or is that alien intelligence ?
 
Whew. Thanks PG13. That was almost a "coming together moment". Dodged a bullet, there.
 
A Reddit comment thread from this morning, in response to news Jared Kushner's business got loans from lending companies, within months of holding meetings with Jared Kushner in the White House.

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I immediately upvoted the first comment because, yeah, Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm so he wouldn't have a conflict of interest, and yet here we are in 2018, and you can get millions in loans from companies "advising" the US government you represent.

But the last three comments at the bottom I thought were also relevant to WC2.
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The fact is, chansen, that a lot more Christians are like him. In fact, I'd argue that most Christians generally are pretty darn "good" people, although we may not all have the means of Jimmy Carter to do as much "good" as he does. As are many people of other faith and many atheists. Unfortunately, the attention goes to those that aren't like him - as the spotlight always seems to fall on those who aren't "good" - Christian, atheist or anyone else.
 
I, too, have heard a lot of UC sermons. I have never heard one on our evaluation of economic systems and our wars as being in accord (or otherwise) with Christian teaching.
 
What I am reading now in the development of psychopathy is that hopelessness can be a learned thing as thoughts of better Deis is lost with the driver ... I.E. Emotional Intelligence sinks ... Misty Understanding cognizance?

The emotional side rises ... and Mundi Explodes ... Zeus a Icon of disruptive activity? Alas the dirt must be turned ...
 
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