Was Adam part of the creation process?

[Bolt_upright]

Gen.2 goes on to describe a profound statement after setting apart rest, on the seventh day saying this,
vs4 "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
In the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth and the heavens. When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up, the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the ground.
A mist or fog was upon the surface of the ground.
Then Lord God formed man from the dust (dry dirt).
In this order it would appear that Adam was in fact created and formed from the dry earth under a surface that had no plants or green thing and perhaps before the waters were serperated in vs.6 of Gen.1.second day of creation.
The green plants came day 3 in Gen 1:11-12.

How does one dance around this?

Cheers

 

[Jaebius]

Gen.2 goes on to describe a profound statement after setting apart rest, on the seventh day saying this,
vs4 "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
In the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth and the heavens. When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up, the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the ground.
A mist or fog was upon the surface of the ground.
Then Lord God formed man from the dust (dry dirt).
In this order it would appear that Adam was in fact created and formed from the dry earth under a surface that had no plants or green thing and perhaps before the waters were serperated in vs.6 of Gen.1.second day of creation.
The green plants came day 3 in Gen 1:11-12.

How does one dance around this?

Cheers

I feel there is no need to dance. I believe all happened as recorded.

 

[Luce NDs]

No, I don't feel so.

If it goes on in the mind ... consider the mind is like a time machine can process stuff from 3 dimensions of time ... well some minds can as they hace projection and poke attributes allowing probing the depths of the human bog ... Poggo!

There's a lot of stinking stuff in our past that someone said if denied and eliminated ... we'd redo ... perhaps a paraphrase as I've lost part of IT ... so much that has drifted off into the unknown ... once known as God's ... now people think of meme as the devil's toil ... (does that thin kin ... as relative)?

 

[Luce NDs]

I feel there is no need to dance. I believe all happened as recorded.

Jae's a Baptist in reality can't dance when unable to stand upon what's not conscious as a sinking sensation ...

Tis made for we demons to be a Mused about ... and thus the dark power of Circe and what cranks the Cos Moes ...

 

[Jaebius]

Jae's a Baptist in reality can't dance when unable to stand upon what's not conscious as a sinking sensation ...

Tis made for we demons to be a Mused about ... and thus the dark power of Circe and what cranks the Cos Moes ...

I am not a Baptist. I am currently not a member of any church.

 

[Luce NDs]

I am not a Baptist. I am currently not a member of any church.

But you always portrayed yourself as a non dancer ... can't move a bite ...

 

[Jaebius]

But you always portrayed yourself as a non dancer ... can't move a bite ...

Actually, that is not true. As I have previously stated Luce, I dance divinely.

 

[Luce NDs]

Actually, that is not true. As I have previously stated Luce, I dance divinely.

Brae in split ...

 

[airclean33]

I'll ask you this airclean.
When you read scripture, who's voice do you hear when you read it even to yourself within the mind?

Hi Bolt--The voice I hear Brother , come's from above ."He is The LORD My GOD" there is no other . airclean33--Gord..

 

[airclean33]

Hi again
I guess to take anything past Gen.2:5 in chronological order can be problematic?
Cheers

Hi Bolt Brother--I am sorry , I was a bit busy on another thread. I have given an answer Bolt , it is on the next page. airclean 33

 

[airclean33]

Gen.1:26 and onward to Gen.1:31 explains the final seal in the process and establishes authority to mankind but not authority or dominion over the green plants/earth, the air, the water but all else to "fill and subdue" the earth.
All the animals at that time did not have to devour other flesh until the flesh became all corrupt after the fall of Adam.

 

[Bolt_upright]

Hi Bolt--The voice I hear Brother , come's from above ."He is The LORD My GOD" there is no other . airclean33--Gord..

Hi Gord

Well to be honest, there is only one voice I hear in my mind, other than in dreams, and that is my own voice.

 

[Bolt_upright]

There is a lot of "theology" with respect to Creation that doesn't mesh easily with the texts upon which that theology ...

Yes, too many points to cover on a smart phone by one who isn't smart on presentation coverage to the degree presented so far, anyhow.

I'll see if I can borrow a computer and get back into trying to explain why I believe the things I do so as to get some feedback.
Goods points to consider.
I'll try to get up and running soon.
Until then I'll post some points along the way.

 

[Bolt_upright]

Hi Bolt Brother--I am sorry , I was a bit busy on another thread. I have given an answer Bolt , it is on the next page. airclean 33

Hey no problem it' hard to keep track sometimes .
It's good to hear from you.

Cheers

 

[Bolt_upright]

I heard the Lord's voice in a dream but that's about it for me

I had a dream...
Would you like to read it???
Here goes.
This is not one where I heard His voice though.

I was swimming in one of those old swimming pools by the ocean that would fill up at high tide and retain water at low.
I was swimming along a wall of concrete as the pool seemed low water yet was too deep to touch ground and to low as I could not reach the top of the wall.
Suddenly an black and white giant of a shape uder the water brisket by my legs as to check me out. SCARY stuff.
Then there was this girl in the middle of the pool swimming across and splashing to get Orcas attention.
She kept swimming like her life depended on it. Then suddenly with a whoosh Orca attacked the girl and started devouring her.
I was so scared watching and screaming why did she do this this to save me!!!!
Without notice an even bigger great white shark raised up slowly under me where my ancles were at one side of his jaw and my neck at the other side. So gently did this massive beast raised up under me without any violence or accidental harm. It felt warm, wet yet comfotableIt was like this beast was my friend and I was not afraid. The gently rocked me with every side swoosh of his tail, without a scratch,towards the other side where the wall was gone and one could easily climb.
All the while I could hear the Orca blowing air angrily out of his blowhole swimming around the Shark and I.
Then I awoke.

 

[Luce NDs]

Hey no problem it' hard to keep track sometimes .
It's good to hear from you.

Cheers

Thus much off-the-trax commentary's, derailed on the way to heaven ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Are dreams absolute ... or mostly vaporous ... like ghosts from a metaphorical well-person ... that really isn't ?

Tis a crazy milieu we live in .. but some leaders say milieu doesn't exist tis a lie ... especially for those not understanding what stirs Yah ova the alternate ...

Some are not to be stirred what-so-ever ... and is that ever a long time ...

 

[revjohn]

I feel there is no need to dance. I believe all happened as recorded.

Which time? Bolt_upright notices that there is a slight discrepancy between the Creation account dominating Genesis 1 and the retelling/different account in Genesis 2.

That discrepancy is noted in the different points at which humanity is created

Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

27 So God created humankind in his image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” 29 God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Genesis 1 insists that humanity is created on the sixth day.

Genesis 2 does not give us a day by day Creation but it does give us information that allows us to place events according to the Genesis 1 chronology.

5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; 6 but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground— 7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.

If we check Genesis 1 to see when plants were created we note that it was day:

11 Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

So, following Genesis 2 humanity is created prior to day three.

Which is it? Day 3 or Day 6?

Since the scripture allows for it to be both.

Does it even matter? Are the creation accounts contained in Genesis trying to explain the importance of humanity in the context of Creation or, are they simply attributing all that has been created to The Creator?

That, I think is Bolt-upright's query. Which account rightly places the creation of humanity in the proper chronological sequence.

For my part I don't think that the chronology serves any purpose greater than putting the storytelling into a framework. It allows Creation to be thought of in a concrete sense rather than a more nuanced development of all things. Attention to the literal order and time shows a greater interest in the recipe used and not the chef who does the actual baking.

 

[Luce NDs]

Which time? Bolt_upright notices that there is a slight discrepancy between the Creation account dominating Genesis 1 and the retelling/different account in Genesis 2.

Very suggestive of the duality advocate? Isn't that just too cheeky for those in monocentric worship of their own Ide and Egos?

At this point a take the edge and split ...

 

[airclean33]

Hi Gord

Well to be honest, there is only one voice I hear in my mind, other than in dreams, and that is my own voice.

--Airclean--post--.............
This is why I ask who told you? There is another voice Bolt". He wants to help every one I believe. You are in that part of those He" wants to reach". Your choice Bolt, chose wisely". airclean33- Gord.