Was Adam part of the creation process?

[dreamerman]

I stay away from hard spirits.

Too many hard spirits for me and I begin to talk in tongues.

 

[Luce NDs]

Too many hard spirits for me and I begin to talk in tongues.

If you really dig into aboriginal linguistics ... harder spirits of thought are quite easy ... and then those on the Simonyi track won't know you're talking about things they don't know of ... alien Samis Eryn out?? Blows the stink off ...

Working demons due built sweats ...

 

[Bolt_upright]

That reminds me of 1 Corinthians 14:26, "What do I say, Christian brothers? There is a song to sing together to worship together. Some of you want to teach and others have a special Word of God. Some of you say special sounds and some say what they mean. Everything must be done to help you grow together and grow strong as a Christian."

Yes, soon we will sing a new song. A song the world cannot learn.
The difference though is that we realy are no man's teacher. We simply share information and then whether it stands or not, depends on the foundation it sits upon.
Cheers, for we live in an exciting age.

 

[Bolt_upright]

“For we have this treasure in earthen vessels.” This treasure being a life lived in spirit and in truth; word and deed. Happy the one who sells all to purchase the field in which this treasure is hidden, in plain sight. No longer I but Christ in me.

Earthen vessels are earth born creation.
How about being born of water and Spirit and no longer being born from the earth?


Is a beautiful poem. And I love the idea of unity. There will be a great division first which is so necessary.
Cheers for we live in exciting times.

 

[Bolt_upright]

Not reaping one I hope! Riding them can quickly become too much and they tend not to stop until they feel like it. Hope your currents winds run fair. Glad to hear you have never been better.



Everyone is important to someone.

Notions are often foundations for theology. Not always good nor always bad. Most always approximations and attempts to integrate what we have experienced.



Ahhh yes. The greatest Nemesis in Wondercafe! The quote function

It gets all of us eventually.



Relocated from Ontario to Newfoundland and Labrador. We've always loved the Rock and her people. It was a good move which could have been smoother. Not quite a whirlwind, but enough turbulence to make one weary.

Things seem to have straightened out somewhat. The tiny dude in my avatar is my first grandchild. I call him Qball. His mother insists his name is Quincey. I hope a plane back to Ontario in almost 10 days to help him celebrate his first birthday.

I'm glad to hear you have found a nice place on the East coast and your grandson is about the same age as my first grandaughter!
What a blessing and favor from Most High!!!
Quincey is a unique name.

My life is better for many reasons but mostly I believe many of the things that I questioned and bothered me about some scriptures has been answered acceptiblly now but I'm
Still learning so this helps with the liberating process.
Thanks again for the warm welcome.

 

[Neo]

When was Adam created?

According to scripture in Genesis 1 describes mankind being created on the 6th day.
With the referance to the creation of Adam though, the description of the environment of the earth was not the same as it was in day 6 in Gen. chapter 1.
In Genesis 2, it describes the earth to be without any green plant, that the waters were a mist or fog vapor as it had not been caused to rain upon the earth and no man to till the ground.Then it goes on to describe the creation of Adam.
If there was a fog covering the "whole surface", then the waters have not been separated yet?
To my mind this is not during day 6 but much earlier.
I actually believe that Adam was created on day 1 and was along for the experience of the creation process.

To my mind there is only one way for the "Word to become flesh" and that is at the very beginning.

Bolt

The ancient Hindus say that there are 7 Creations called Manvantaras, 14 if you consider the waxing and the waning of each Manvantara. We are currently in the 4th Creation of "Manu", the archetypal man. This is the origin of the "Adam Kadmon", the primordial man of the Kabbalah, the first Adam.

These Creations may be better described, as less subjective, if the modern word "Round" is used. With the beginning of each Round comes the creation and the evolution of a new Kingdom of nature, e.g minerals first, then vegetables, then animals, then humans, and finally the 5th kingdom of souls (aka "thy kingdom come").

Therefore, if Genesis 1 is actually an account of the beginning of the 4th Round of Creative Evolution then it may make sense that the author attempted to describe it like it was the very beginning of Creation. A new light shone on the Earth at the beginning of the 4th Round as Adam Kadmon was awakening to His own. He ultimately split into the sexes and fell into generation.

 

[Bolt_upright]

Too many hard spirits for me and I begin to talk in tongues.

You too eh. Whisky makes me naked LOL!!!!

 

[Bolt_upright]

hey Bolt

good to see you back

Thank you Blackie do you mind if I call you Blackie?
It' been around 10 years I think.
I hope I am more "mature" this time LOL!

 

[Bolt_upright]

Those are the kind of skid marks you definitely don't want.

The least embarrassing kind.

 

[Bolt_upright]

The ancient Hindus say that there are 7 Creations called Manvantaras, 14 if you consider the waxing and the waning of each Manvantara. We are currently in the 4th Creation of "Manu", the archetypal man. This is the origin of the "Adam Kadmon", the primordial man of the Kabbalah, the first Adam.

These Creations may be better described, as less subjective, if the modern word "Round" is used. With the beginning of each Round comes the creation and the evolution of a new Kingdom of nature, e.g minerals first, then vegetables, then animals, then humans, and finally the 5th kingdom of souls (aka "thy kingdom come").

Therefore, if Genesis 1 is actually an account of the beginning of the 4th Round of Creative Evolution then it may make sense that the author attempted to describe it like it was the very beginning of Creation. A new light shone on the Earth at the beginning of the 4th Round as Adam Kadmon was awakening to His own. He ultimately split into the sexes and fell into generation.

Hi Neo

You study different religions eh? I remember that about you.
It is well, to explore truth in all the faiths.
I was always at odds with the doctrine vs. scriptual referance in Genesis account of the creation of Adam vs mankind in day 6.
Placing of the Man in the garden after rest/sabbath and separating the woman from Adam after naming the animals.
I don't know about you, but it would seem the way it is written, that the timeline should be considered to how it is written in scripture. The fact that Adam was created before every green thing on the earth should be enough to raise questions of the doctrine, one would think.

Very interesting comment BTW.

CHEERS

 

[dreamerman]

You too eh. Whisky makes me naked LOL!!!!

Well it is a good thing you are not drinking tequila.

 

[airclean33]

It would make you a man indwelt by God.

...Hi Jae.....
Airclean--post--.........Jae Read----1 Cor-15:44---1Cor-15:50---

 

[Jaebius]

...Hi Jae.....
Airclean--post--.........Jae Read----1 Cor-15:44---1Cor-15:50---

"It is a human body when it dies, and it is the same body as God if it is raised from the dead. There is a human body and a body like God" - 1 Cor. 15:44.

"Our brethren, our bodies with our flesh and blood, will not enter the holy kingdom of God. If you die, you can not participate in something you can never die" - 1 Corinthians 15:50.

Your point?

 

[Neo]

Hi Neo

You study different religions eh? I remember that about you.
It is well, to explore truth in all the faiths.
I was always at odds with the doctrine vs. scriptual referance in Genesis account of the creation of Adam vs mankind in day 6.
Placing of the Man in the garden after rest/sabbath and separating the woman from Adam after naming the animals.
I don't know about you, but it would seem the way it is written, that the timeline should be considered to how it is written in scripture. The fact that Adam was created before every green thing on the earth should be enough to raise questions of the doctrine, one would think.

Very interesting comment BTW.

CHEERS

Thanks Bolt. While it may not be "the" answer to why Genesis has vegetation and seed bearing plants before there was light on the Earth, it's certainly an interesting notion. This would imply, of course, that the author of Genesis must've had some knowledge of the ancient Hindu scriptures, which is not totally out of the realm of possibility.

Re Adam being created before green things? I think the whole story is very allegorical and not meant to be a literal chronology of creation. It seems to jump around a bit, i.e. Genesis 2. 4 seems to be a quick recap of Genesis 1 but then leaves all sorts of details out. It's very confusing if not read as an allegory. But there definitely does appear to be two Adams: one, the Soul without sex (before the big sleep), and the other one, the physical Adam, split into two sexes (after the big sleep). This is an important division and is said to be a description of the "coming of mind", where mankind suddenly becomes aware of the ability to discern and to make a choices between good and evil. This started the Race of Mankind on a downward journey, a fall that would last for eons.

Another interesting fact I note about the Genesis is that the creation of light came out of darkness. That is, everything we know, even light itself came out of nothing, chaos, the void. This one concept is repeated in many of our creation myths, including our current day scientific theory of the Big Bang.

 

[airclean33]

"It is a human body when it dies, and it is the same body as God if it is raised from the dead. There is a human body and a body like God" - 1 Cor. 15:44.
---Airclean--post--.......Wrong Jae Our Christ's Body was perfect ,it had no sin.Where are you going to learn?

Jae----post--..................
"Our brethren, our bodies with our flesh and blood, will not enter the holy kingdom of God. If you die, you can not participate in something you can never die" - 1 Corinthians 15:50.
--Airclean--post---
1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.



Air clean--post WRONG Again." You will not enter GODS House with sin. GEN 3: 19

Your point?

The flesh . From Dust you came to dust you shell return .

 

[airclean33]

Hi Neo

You study different religions eh? I remember that about you.
It is well, to explore truth in all the faiths.
I was always at odds with the doctrine vs. scriptual referance in Genesis account of the creation of Adam vs mankind in day 6.
Placing of the Man in the garden after rest/sabbath and separating the woman from Adam after naming the animals.
I don't know about you, but it would seem the way it is written, that the timeline should be considered to how it is written in scripture. The fact that Adam was created before every green thing on the earth should be enough to raise questions of the doctrine, one would think.

Very interesting comment BTW.

1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Hi Bolt How have you been Man". Look your talking to a False Prophet", just be careful. --airclean33-Gord.

 

[Jaebius]

@airclean33...

"Airclean--post--.......Wrong Jae Our Christ's Body was perfect ,it had no sin.Where are you going to learn?"

Where am I going to learn?! airclean, you yourself gave me the specific verses to look up!

 

[Neo]

Hi Bolt How have you been Man". Look your talking to a False Prophet", just be careful. --airclean33-Gord.

Seriously Airclean? You're taking up Chansen's stance of name calling? How very Christian of you to bear false witness against another.

 

[airclean33]

"It is a human body when it dies, and it is the same body as God if it is raised from the dead. There is a human body and a body like God" - 1 Cor. 15:44.

"Our brethren, our bodies with our flesh and blood, will not enter the holy kingdom of God. If you die, you can not participate in something you can never die" - 1 Corinthians 15:50.

Your point?

---You want to change GODS WORD? As I said before Jae , find another School. Also get another BIBLE "
1Co 15:44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. Here is GODS Word.
Book of JOHN 6: 63.--
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life

 

[Jaebius]

---You want to change GODS WORD?

I do not.

As I said before Jae , find another School.

No thank you.

Also get another BIBLE "

1Co 15:44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. Here is GODS Word.
Book of JOHN 6: 63.--
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life

"It is the Spirit that gives life. The flesh does not help. What I say to you is spirit and life" - John 6:63.