My Weekly Devotional

[Seeler]

Isn't it blindingly obvious to you? The guy who can't recite anything from the bible unless speaking from a script, is suddenly a devout Christian?

Christians are being used. If Donald Trump's granddaughter gets knocked up at 16, or his grandson knocks up a girl at a similar age, that girl is on a private jet heading to Switzerland for a short procedure and will be back in the States in a couple of days. He's not against abortion - he's against paying money to the government, just like he's against paying smaller suppliers what they're owed.

People like you are useful idiots to people like him. You hear what you want to hear, and you're sold. No investigation, no skepticism at all. We see that with the claims you bring here, and you're not close to alone. Your predisposition to believe based on what you want to hear is too common, and it is dangerous to countries because you are part of a voting block that is extremely easy to manipulate. You will immediately want to project that trait onto me, but I'm not the one bringing easily-refuted crap here, and most of the rest of this place knows it.

The problem is, pointing this out only makes people like you retreat further into your bubble. The only way to break this cycle is to get better at teaching critical thinking skills in school, which is why Donald Trump puts people like evangelical nutcase Betsy DeVos in charge of public education. Many Christians and many rich people want the same thing - gullible idiots who will believe anything.

 

[Seeler]

Your language is brutal, but you are right on in your message.

There is nothing Christ-like in Donald Trump. Nor is there much Christ-like in the people who support him. Unfortunately they give all Christians a bad rep.

 

[Luce NDs]

Your language is brutal, but you are right on in your message.

There is nothing Christ-like in Donald Trump. Nor is there much Christ-like in the people who support him. Unfortunately they give all Christians a bad rep.

Falling all over themselves due to blind faith? That de Nus ... one time appearing as Venus ... another time in Rome as Janus ... just too cheeky for one track souls that can't see both sides from where they're at ... way out one way or the other ... no medium?

Balance is thus swung ... the Great pen du Lem ... du Tu circumstances unknown and unseen ... the God of the Hebrews giving support to curios ... and curiosity for those interested in what they don't know ...

Recall there are authorities and experts on blind stuffing's ... sort of like pardoning turkeys ... for god knows what they don't know ... kind 've an partisan or underground activity if you can get there ...

In the Hebrew metaphor god is wisdom ... something not here just now due to blindness ... and then there was the sparking and delight of ... heh! something isn't right here in the sense of institution ...

 

[chansen]

dude if you wana start a Trump thread Go ahead

Trump in this case is really just an illustration of what's most wrong in Christianity today, and how this hypocrisy is going to murder the faith in the long term. Ignorance and stupidity are not going to win in the US, and they are going to have an even harder time in Canada. More people are going to see through the immoral hypocrisy in the marriage of convenience between evangelical faith and the greediest corporate leaders, than are dazzled by it.

15 years ago, the Bush administration helped push people away from faith by tying faith to patriotism and the need to go to war against Iraq in particular. Today, Trump is further attempting to use the faithful so he and other rich families get to keep more money. The result 15 years ago was a concentrated push back against Christianity in particular. Trump is only making that worse by demonstrating that evangelical Christian faith doesn't make people better - it makes them more tribal and more gullible.

 

[chansen]

Your language is brutal, but you are right on in your message.

I know you're referring to terms like "useful idiots", but I think they are very accurate and descriptive. I suspect you immediately know exactly what I mean, and to me, that's the key with the written word. I have a short time to get my point across before people stop reading. For example, this paragraph is going nowhere and half the readers have moved to the next paragraph or the next post entirely before getting this far. I could hide anything in the end of this paragraph. Steven's hat is ridiculous.

I more think of the hatchet job on the English language that blackbelt makes as "brutal", but perhaps my writing isn't up to your standards, either. I do try, and in my profession, I come across a lot of terrible writing that makes me want to rage-edit documents that aren't even my responsibility. You're a better writer than I am, so maybe you can relate, and maybe you feel the same way about my writing. I do try to get to the point except in this post. Which goes nowhere. The hat at least hides his hair.

 

[revjohn]

What about my cosines?

Hmmmm. When is a derail not a tangent?

 

[Luce NDs]

I know you're referring to terms like "useful idiots", but I think they are very accurate and descriptive. I suspect you immediately know exactly what I mean, and to me, that's the key with the written word. I have a short time to get my point across before people stop reading. For example, this paragraph is going nowhere and half the readers have moved to the next paragraph or the next post entirely before getting this far. I could hide anything in the end of this paragraph. Steven's hat is ridiculous.

I more think of the hatchet job on the English language that blackbelt makes as "brutal", but perhaps my writing isn't up to your standards, either. I do try, and in my profession, I come across a lot of terrible writing that makes me want to rage-edit documents that aren't even my responsibility. You're a better writer than I am, so maybe you can relate, and maybe you feel the same way about my writing. I do try to get to the point except in this post. Which goes nowhere. The hat at least hides his hair.

White Noise requires a special gem stone to break it into useful portions for where it falls ... some are useless sol ... devoid!

Tis pearly stuff like alabaster ... often some grey in with the Black & White ... mediocrity ... Socrates when the Soc dhal hits yah ...

 

[chansen]

Hmmmm. When is a derail not a tangent?

I'd say when the train is acted upon by a force normal to the tracks sufficient to move it laterally.

 

[Luce NDs]

Trax ... is there good lass restrained there ... could cause a wreck ...

Hyperbola, or hyperbole?

Right up there with the word celib ... said to mean single ... which causes some rumours about doubling up in meanings ( a word like yonega in Cherokee)! It goes on the give further meaning ...

Some folk don't like a sylla ba like "nega" inserted into complexity ... and thus the reason to have great respect for we shadowy folks ... causes abstract and absences (nega*tive) in the warmth and delight of some illuminated folk ... yet the aboriginal Hebrew were believed by some tribes to be the black clusters travelling across the page ... allowing a living story on white with black bones supporting it ... as a bit of Ham from the deep past ... sometime served up with Mac 'a Roonies ... Runes from indecent giggles in space?

Quanta's ... and funnier biers ... smell like cough syrup for the hacks ...

 

[airclean33]

I have no belief that there is a personal God capable of being right. I'm an agnostic, remember?



It's called a conscience. We all have a sense of right and wrong, regardless of what we believe, unless we are seriously messed up (e.g. psychopaths). Religion informs our conscience, but so does life experience, upbringing, philosophy, etc. Genetics may even play into it (there is evidence, for instance, of altruism being an inherited trait in some animals).

I know very few people who think it is actually God him/her/itself who tells them they are doing wrong. Most people I know, even religious ones, would say that it is their own conscience that tells them wrong from right and that God, if there is one, influences that conscience.

--Really Mendalla---
Airclean---post---
Here's what I know of conscience--
First it was a Gift Adam and Eve gave you Human". Did you not read what the fruit of the Tree was they took from? Here are some other Gentile, Men's Idea's.

Question: "What is the conscience?"

Answer: The conscience is defined as that part of the human psyche that induces mental anguish and feelings of guilt when we violate it and feelings of pleasure and well-being when our actions, thoughts and words are in conformity to our value systems. The Greek word translated “conscience” in all New Testament references is suneidēsis, meaning “moral awareness” or “moral consciousness.” The conscience reacts when one’s actions, thoughts, and words conform to, or are contrary to, a standard of right and wrong.
It would seem to me to be a bit more than you believe. airclean33--Gord.

 

[Mendalla]

The conscience is defined as that part of the human psyche that induces mental anguish and feelings of guilt when we violate it and feelings of pleasure and well-being when our actions, thoughts and words are in conformity to our value systems. The Greek word translated “conscience” in all New Testament references is suneidēsis, meaning “moral awareness” or “moral consciousness.” The conscience reacts when one’s actions, thoughts, and words conform to, or are contrary to, a standard of right and wrong.
It would seem to me to be a bit more than you believe. airclean33--Gord.

How so? There is nothing in there that I actually disagree with. Nowhere does it say the conscience is God talking to us or that one must believe in God to have a conscience. It actually isn't a bad philosophical definition of the word. BTW, you should credit your source, esp. since it is Got Questions, a biased Christian site rather than a neutral one like a proper dictionary. This one is better for general discussion:

1a :the sense or consciousness of the moral goodness or blameworthiness of one's own conduct, intentions, or character together with a feeling of obligation to do right or be good

• She had a guilty conscience.

b :a faculty, power, or principle enjoining good acts

• guided by conscience

c:the part of the superego in psychoanalysis that transmits commands and admonitions to the ego
2:conformity to what one considers to be correct, right, or morally good :conscientiousness
3:sensitive regard for fairness or justice :scruple

• a wealthy man with no conscience

4:archaic :consciousness

So, in general, conscience is just our moral sense.

Source: Definition of CONSCIENCE

 

[Luce NDs]

This is not substance ... or insubstantial to those that lock their subconscious up in a book ... that allows a firm law ... where as some gods would rather us process what is observed ...

Could one observe if confined in a tome of metaphorical attribute?

psy·che1
ˈsīkē/
noun
noun: psyche; plural noun: psyches

1. the human soul, mind, or spirit.
   "their childhood made them want to understand the human psyche and to help others"
   synonyms: soul, spirit, (inner) self, ego, true being, inner man/woman, persona, subconscious, mind, intellect;
   technicalanima
   "getting in touch with your own psyche"
   antonyms: body

Origin

mid 17th century: via Latin from Greek psukhē ‘breath, life, soul.’

psy·che2
sīk/
verb, noun, & adjective
verb: psyche; 3rd person present: psyches; gerund or present participle: psyching; past tense: psyched; past participle: psyched; noun: psyche; plural noun: psyches; adjective: psyche​

1. variant spelling of psych​

Is the 3rd person present an object of respect that lies beyond the subjective person of great avarice?

Leaves the rest of us overruled phoqah bobbing helplessly around in the boggling pool ... a bit of a loch devised by Ole Slew foot! Creates skid marks on the page buoyed ... CS Lewis may have intended this to be the water closet ... another wardrobe ... alternate?

Did Jesus speak of the great flush ... erose of ashe hue?

Could it be sign, or icon of something appearing incarnate ... or alternate as Cosine?

 

[airclean33]

Sure it is. That's the whole point of being a missionary religion. Selling the faith to others.



As for the risen Lord, why do we need one? Many of us live quite happily without believing in one. And a risen Lord is only a source of hope if one believes in it, which is no different from the hope of any other religion.

--Airclean--post--
You know Mendalla your right I don't spell worth a D-- .But It seems even though I have thought of you . As a well educated person". But I would say ,it looks like you, don't read very well. Observe look" around you" , Do you see any 150 year olds". So your flesh will die ", just as GOD said it would". But what about that other part of you? The Word of GOD" also said that part of you will never, die", that being your Spirit" . So if that is the case? Where do you believe you may go? No Charge for thoughts". airclean33--Gord.

 

[blackbelt1961]

So, in general, conscience is just our moral sense.

has it been seeded by someone or is it a product of evolution ?

 

[Luce NDs]

has it been seeded by someone or is it a product of evolution ?

If only thought could be carried on with some positivity in the darkness of the mortal soul ... however it appears to be only a temporary loan ... and some aboriginal given (grace?) may be observed as thoughts depart ...

Then who was concerned about knowing in a world disposed to total free wiles ...?

 

[airclean33]

How so? There is nothing in there that I actually disagree with. Nowhere does it say the conscience is God talking to us or that one must believe in God to have a conscience. It actually isn't a bad philosophical definition of the word. BTW, you should credit your source, esp. since it is Got Questions, a biased Christian site rather than a neutral one like a proper dictionary. This one is better for general discussion:



So, in general, conscience is just our moral sense.

Source: Definition of CONSCIENCE

--Yes I read this Mendalla--Before.
Now I ask you why dose your Conscience , only tell you . YOUR DOING WRONG ? I wonder who would gain from that thought?

 

[Luce NDs]

--Yes I read this Mendalla--Before.
Now I ask you why dose your Conscience , only tell you . YOUR DOING WRONG ? I wonder who would gain from that thought?

Stone Seth people? Thus it was unmovable whereas gods get about ....

 

[Mendalla]

has it been seeded by someone or is it a product of evolution ?

I answered this already somewhat but here's a bit more. There is definitely evidence for altruism in some animals, so there may be a genetic component since there seems to be an evolutionary advantage to altruism. However, it is mostly a product of our upbringing and socialization. I mean, if you look at my general moral outlook, you can definitely see a strong influence from my parents and childhood faith (liberal Christian).

Now I ask you why dose your Conscience , only tell you . YOUR DOING WRONG ? I wonder who would gain from that thought?

Good timing. I get to answer both of you at once. Not sure why you think I believe this. I don't and never said I did. Of course, our moral sense tells both when we do right and when we do wrong. If you know what is wrong, then you clearly also know what is right.

 

[Luce NDs]

I answered this already somewhat but here's a bit more. There is definitely evidence for altruism in some animals, so there may be a genetic component since there seems to be an evolutionary advantage to altruism. However, it is mostly a product of our upbringing and socialization. I mean, if you look at my general moral outlook, you can definitely see a strong influence from my parents and childhood faith (liberal Christian).



Good timing. I get to answer both of you at once. Not sure why you think I believe this. I don't and never said I did. Of course, our moral sense tells both when we do right and when we do wrong. If you know what is wrong, then you clearly also know what is right.

Is it possible some folk are devoid of that lo' state called sub-con science ... and all they see is blind fate?

 

[blackbelt1961]

I answered this already somewhat but here's a bit more. There is definitely evidence for altruism in some animals, so there may be a genetic component since there seems to be an evolutionary advantage to altruism. However, it is mostly a product of our upbringing and socialization. I mean, if you look at my general moral outlook, you can definitely see a strong influence from my parents and childhood faith (liberal Christian).

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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]by that reasoning , cannibalism is morally acceptable in tribes, Hitler really didn't do nothing morally wrong why push the west moral values on them?.

furthermore altruism is in no way a basses for morality , altruistic relationships break down when one party fails to return benefits to the other, in other words, I help my friend move at his cost he took the day off work, now in the future i don't help him back and take a day off, does he have a moral right to lets say , Eat me like animals do ?

when morality is ultimately subjective , we have a problem [/FONT]