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Waterfall your quote -----Sometimes the will of Man (or the law) contradicts the will of God and it is sometimes good to speak out to promote a better way. We are to think and sometimes act upon these things.

unsafe says
Can you give an example of what you are saying here ?
 
Waterfall your quote -----Sometimes the will of Man (or the law) contradicts the will of God and it is sometimes good to speak out to promote a better way. We are to think and sometimes act upon these things.

unsafe says
Can you give an example of what you are saying here ?
I was thinking of Jesus in my post several posts above.
 
Hi,
George's actions judged him not any man -----he choice to participate or just be there was his demise -----What judgment did he bring upon himself and his wife as well because of his choice ----emotional distress ---embarrassment ----suspension form his church and a condition if he was allowed to return to the pulpit --angry neighbours ---guilt ---shame ----

he choice to participate or just be there was his demise -----What judgment did he bring upon himself and his wife as well because of his choice ----emotional distress ---embarrassment ----suspension form his church and a condition if he was allowed to return to the pulpit --angry neighbours ---guilt ---shame ----

he opened the door to allow all these negative attributes to filter into his domain all by himself ----just by him being there ----- His own actions was his judge
Seems to me Jesus made it clear that a life lived in the way of the cross would be a life of suffering. I am encouraged by the image of Paul and Silas in chains in the depths of a dark prison singing with glad hearts. And Stephen seeing into heaven while being stoned by angry religious persons. Both of whom live on in the sight of God, with all the elect gathered to the name of God, by the will of God and for the purpose of God. Along with all who abandoned the way of this world to follow in the way of the world to come. On earth as it is in heaven, as followers in the narrow way were taught to pray by Jesus.


Obedience to the way of God is costly. This is made plain in the scriptures. For example:

"Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might rise again to a better life. Others suffered mocking and scourging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword; they went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, ill-treated— of whom the world was not worthy." Hebrews

This in the light of:

"And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation
With just a little bit more from Bob Marley:

"If you are the big tree
We are the small axe
Sharpened to cut you down
Ready to cut you down"
From:

 
Hebrews 2 --is about Salvation
It starts with a warning that we should pay attention to the word so we don't allow our mind to drift away from the Truth -----How can we escape punishment is we reject the important message of how God saves us -----

For Jesus who was 100% human as well as Divine we see the agony that Jesus went through in the garden of Gethsemane when His fate was revealed to Him ----He sweat blood ----so I don't think he took his suffering and death that He would endure lightly in His human state ----He knew He was sent for this purpose but He would have I am sure experienced some anxiety and fear about this death in my opinion ---He then surrendered to His Father's will ----

I believe many people are afraid of death ----we fear the unknown ----death is seen as an enemy not a foe ----

Jesus turns death into life and gives hope to all people --Jesus defeats the enemy of death and sports the crown of victory for all who want to triumph in His victory with Him ----He became Human to help us come back to who we were originally created for --God --

So for the Believer there is no fear in death ---The Believer knows that for them it is not the end but is the beginning of a continuing life in the Spiritual Realm living in bliss in a heavenly place always connected to the one true God who created us for His purpose and Glory -----

The Salvation message is so very important for all people to hear and pay attention to as no one knows the day or hour they will meet death and death will either open heaven's gate or the gate to torment and second death ---and God has left it all up to us to decide for our selves which gate we want to be open to us -----all up to us folks ----

verses 14-18 GW ---
14 Since all of these sons and daughters have flesh and blood, Jesus took on flesh and blood to be like them. He did this so that by dying he would destroy the one who had power over death (that is, the devil). 15 In this way he would free those who were slaves all their lives because they were afraid of dying. 16 So Jesus helps Abraham’s descendants rather than helping angels. 17 Therefore, he had to become like his brothers and sisters so that he could be merciful. He became like them so that he could serve as a faithful chief priest in God’s presence and make peace with God for their sins. 18 Because Jesus experienced temptation when he suffered, he is able to help others when they are tempted.

Jesus did this for us out of His Love for us not because He had to but because He wanted to --no greater Love than this -----


 
So for the Believer there is no fear in death

And where do non-believers who don't fear death fit in? I mean, this pitch for your faith assumes people are afraid of death and seeking a way out of it. It holds no real attraction for someone who, say, sees death as the necessary completion of a cycle of life. It is neither friend nor foe, but merely a stage we all must go through. For a time we are, and then we are not. No reason to fear that if we recognize its place and purpose.
 
And where do non-believers who don't fear death fit in? I mean, this pitch for your faith assumes people are afraid of death and seeking a way out of it. It holds no real attraction for someone who, say, sees death as the necessary completion of a cycle of life. It is neither friend nor foe, but merely a stage we all must go through. For a time we are, and then we are not. No reason to fear that if we recognize its place and purpose.

This may be a great Passover point for those that have God stuck in a book which is under their control to pound upon and pound people with as a missal ... I've observed that type of ax in use ... not passive either!

Why Gods word get so scattered and broken up with the emotions incited ... at times the bog effect must be cooled ... an peat passes through the bitchumen stage to lingams, ante Ra cite ... and clear graphite ... that's di amon 'd ...

What's a' mon? That a core value deep enough to dig for ... dissociated word? Most cannot stick eM together for fear of alien linguistics ... could be creative ...
 
airclean33 ---your quote -----
Airclean--post--
Do you know George? That is have you meant Him? I know Our Lord dose", so I think I'll let Him" Judge George Sister.

So here is the thing on just how easy it is to judge others airclean33 ----you are really saying here that I am judging George ---and You say ----you will let God judge George sister ----

Now you are judging me because you think I am judging George -----so who are you to judge me ---let God judge me to---this is how easy it is to fall into judging others ------


Your Quote ----Do you know George?

unsafe says ----Not personally--- just like he does not know me personally ----just like you and I don't know each other personally ----

Your Quote -----That is have you meant Him?

unsafe says -----
Not personally no ----just like he has not met me personally --just like you have not met me personally and I not you personally


Now here is the thing ----I do feel I know a bit of George from the preaching side of him ---he has posted many --many --many of his sermons on this sight and I have listened to him preach ---he also has many sermons posted on you tube ----So I feel I do some knowledge of his way of thinking about the Bible and God and Christ ----Just like you know some about me and the way I think about God --the Bible and Christ ---Just like I know some about you and the way you think about God --the Bible and Christ ----

Here is the thing airclean33 ---George's actions judged him not any man -----he choice to participate or just be there was his demise -----What judgment did he bring upon himself and his wife as well because of his choice ----emotional distress ---embarrassment ----suspension form his church and a condition if he was allowed to return to the pulpit --angry neighbours ---guilt ---shame ----

he opened the door to allow all these negative attributes to filter into his domain all by himself ----just by him being there ----- His own actions was his judge airclean33----
I just realized that airclean has disagreed with unsafe, taking a more moderate "let God judge him" approach.

Mind. Blown.

Well done, airclean. Seriously.
 
Mendalla -----your quote -----And where do non-believers who don't fear death fit in?

Mendalla there are 3 versions of death ----
There is death where the functions of physical body ceases to function so your physical existence comes to an end -----

There is the manner of death which we talk about like old age --disease ---accidents etc -

Then there is what the Bible talks about in death ---now understand the Bible is a Spiritual Book so death in the Bible is a Spiritual meaning ----and it has to do with the soul -----so for the believer the soul and spirit live in a good place -----for the unbeliever the soul and spirit still live ---Spirits don't die whether your a believer or unbeliever ----now you can believe this or not but just because you don't believe it does not mean that what scripture says is not the truth and will not happen ----- so for the unbeliever according to scripture their spirit and soul goes not to a good place -----

So as fare as fear of death goes for the believer there is hope ---for the unbeliever there is no hope for where they end up -----again according to scripture ----

So when you say this statement ----And where do non-believers who don't fear death fit in?

Which death are you referring to ? --

unsafe says -In my post I am talking about the soul --after the physical body death ---for the unbeliever there are 2 deaths Mendalla --there is the physical body death and the death of the soul which is lost forever -----

In this world unbelievers are lost souls according to scripture but while the unbeliever is here on this earth there is hope that their lost soul will become found ----Satan's job is to keep the lost souls lost so they are not found and he is doing a great job ---The strategy Satan uses is suggestion in questioning the Truth of God's word about Salvation ----and if there is really a place of torment ---

So while the unbeliever may not fear a physical death ----they have no idea about the 2nd death of their soul ----and they have no idea if the Bible is true in what it says ---so there has to be some anxiety when death of the physical body is near for the unbeliever -----

It is a funny thing Mendalla many prepare for their physical death while they are here on this earth ----buy a plot at the cemetery make sure their families are looked after and if we know from having a disease that is incurable that death is on the door step many take the time to get all necessary things looked after before their time comes ----but many never prepare for what comes after ----that is the sad thing ----

True Christ--ians believe the Scripture and therefore they believe by Faith that when they are absent from the body they are indeed with Christ and this is a comforting thought and brings peace to the soul of the believer ----who will be part of a new earth where there is peace and harmony and joy and health and no tears --no pain --no suffering ever again ---what a great hope for true believers ----


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Hi,

"And, yet, here is death being looked upon as something that crowns Jesus with glory and honour?" Steven

Calls to mind our celebration of Remembrance Day, where we honour all those who gave their lives in service to a cause greater than themselves.

George
 
unsafe says -In my post I am talking about the soul --after the physical body death ---for the unbeliever there are 2 deaths Mendalla --there is the physical body death and the death of the soul which is lost forever -----

Okay, so it is irrelevant to me since I don't believe in a soul other than as a metaphor for the collective things that define us as a person. Thanks for clarifying.
 
And where do non-believers who don't fear death fit in? I mean, this pitch for your faith assumes people are afraid of death and seeking a way out of it. It holds no real attraction for someone who, say, sees death as the necessary completion of a cycle of life. It is neither friend nor foe, but merely a stage we all must go through. For a time we are, and then we are not. No reason to fear that if we recognize its place and purpose.
--Hi Mendalla--
There is nothing wrong in fearing death. Most every body dose. The fear lies in your sine's ." Have you received forgiveness for them , though Jesus" The Christ"? You will always live, from what GODS Word States". It is were YOU" have chosen, to live that counts". Would you chose to live with a Loving Father". Or in darkness with thirst. Would you like to learn more of this Universe, you seem to love so much. By the Person who made it ", an even more has He, to teach you". Of the time, I have no Idea ," all I can say is what you said . We all die ", no one but GOD knows the time and hour though" , is it today?.. or tomorrow?,, or ten years" from now ? Do you want to flip the coin?? airclean33--P-S-GOD LOVES YOU".
 
Hi,

"And, yet, here is death being looked upon as something that crowns Jesus with glory and honour?" Steven

Calls to mind our celebration of Remembrance Day, where we honour all those who gave their lives in service to a cause greater than themselves.

George
--Good morning George--
--Airclean--Post---
Our LORD Jesus Christ , dose not wear the crown of death " He wears The Crown Of Life. For He is Life He created all living things. John1: 3 . He also is a Soldier from The Army Of GOD . But without fire ring one bullet " With out killing one person", He won the War. The one who had made himself ", king of the World . With all of his army has been defeated". It was he" who wore the crown of death." --airclean33---Gord.
 
I believe the message of death is that Christians die with hope in God of eternal life as we see through faith in the Resurrection .

that would centrally be my experience and understanding
 
airclean33 ---your quote -----
Airclean--post--
Do you know George? That is have you meant Him? I know Our Lord dose", so I think I'll let Him" Judge George Sister.

So here is the thing on just how easy it is to judge others airclean33 ----you are really saying here that I am judging George ---and You say ----you will let God judge George sister ----

Now you are judging me because you think I am judging George -----so who are you to judge me ---let God judge me to---this is how easy it is to fall into judging others ------


Your Quote ----Do you know George?

---Airclean---Post---
--We are not to Judge --one another". I have read The Word", as well'.



unsafe says ----Not personally--- just like he does not know me personally ----just like you and I don't know each other personally ----

Your Quote -----That is have you meant Him?

--Airclean--post--
That is what I said to make sure your post- was made by Spirit."Or you have seen something , I haven't.


--unsafe says -----
Not personally no ----just like he has not met me personally --just like you have not met me personally and I not you personally

--Airclean--post--
Thank you unsafe , this was all I was asking?

--Unsafe--post---
Now here is the thing ----I do feel I know a bit of George from the preaching side of him ---he has posted many --many --many of his sermons on this sight and I have listened to him preach ---he also has many sermons posted on you tube ----So I feel I do some knowledge of his way of thinking about the Bible and God and Christ ----Just like you know some about me and the way I think about God --the Bible and Christ ---Just like I know some about you and the way you think about God --the Bible and Christ ----

--Airclean--post.--
Yes Unsafe I to have watch his preaching . So I have made an opinion as well. Do you find George is not a Follower of Christ"? I believe he is a follower", I also think though he seems to be mixed up, in some way's.
If George could bring his fiery self to the Alter". I believe it would be better in His walk." I also believe he must learn to listen to GODs Holy Spirit" . Never once that I know of , did our Lord Jesus The Christ "attack Roman Soldiers. He obey the Laws were He was living. Unless those Laws where not His Fathers. He ate with Gentiles" , He informed the Priesthood they were teaching", GODS words wrong." You and I have done this ", have we not."Sometimes we don't always see what GODS plan is" . Sometimes we have to wait, to know what GOD is doing".

--Unsafe--post---
Here is the thing airclean33 ---George's actions judged him not any man -----he choice to participate or just be there was his demise -----What judgment did he bring upon himself and his wife as well because of his choice ----emotional distress ---embarrassment ----suspension form his church and a condition if he was allowed to return to the pulpit --angry neighbours ---guilt ---shame ----

he opened the door to allow all these negative attributes to filter into his domain all by himself ----just by him being there ----- His own actions was his judge airclean33----

---Airclean--post--
Yes Sister as we all do. But He did say GOD" was telling to . I believe you have been told . That it was not the first time a Christian has gone to jail.


Your Quote -----
Airclean--post--
I am not sure what you are saying here Sister. We who have confessed ,and asked GODS forgiveness can receive the Holy Spirit. We are in Grace when we confessed and accepted Jesus" as The Christ". I know of no top race", We are all Gods children.

unsafe says ----and posted scripture

The Jews airclean33 were not in the law they were under the law ----we are not in Grace we are under Grace -----

Grace is not a thing airclean33 ----Grace is a person ----Jesus is Grace ----so we are not in Grace we are under grace ---now you can believe as you like here but Grace and truth came through Jesus ----Jesus is the word and Jesus is Grace ----we can call on Grace to help us stay free from Sin ----we still miss the mark when we are born again because we are Carnal in out thinking airclean33 ---when you receive Christ your spirit is renewed but your mind still thinks the old way of the world ----This is why we are called Carnal Christ-ians ---we need to change our worldly thinking to God's way which is in His word ---- we are in charge of changing our thinking not God ----


--Airclean--post--
You know unsafe you say, I made a mistake here. With in, and under,. I Think the Grace I have Sister is in me. Not over my flesh. How many times have you pointed out , it is not our flesh that is saved", but the inner Man'. I believe what you call Soul or self " is now a prat of my Spirit , As it now is Holy." We Have become a part of GOD". John 1:12-13.
Jhn 1:11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not.
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Jhn 1:12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
Jhn 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


UNSAFE--POST--
John 1:14 (GNT)
14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.

John 1:17---
AMP
For the Law was given through Moses, but grace [the unearned, undeserved favor of God] and truth came through Jesus Christ.

unsafe says
We are to call on Grace ----Jesus who is Grace will give us the ability to say out of bad situations and sin -----we don't sin cause we have to airclean33 ---we sin because we choose to ---Jesus who is Grace gives us the ability through the Holy Spirit not to do the action of sin when we ask for the help ----God said to Paul My Grace is sufficient -----God's Grace is powerful and Christians don't call on it as they should ---

--Airclean--post--
The Flesh is not for GOD . You know this . It" many times causes us to make a mistake" and sin. We do not live under The Law" any longer how ever" . So I have to but say , Father forgive me. It is done.


Titus 2 GWT

11 For God has revealed his grace for the salvation of all people.

12 That grace instructs us to give up ungodly living and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this world,

unsafe says ----We are responsible to grow in our thinking God's way by getting rid of our Carnal worldly thinking --which is still there after we have the Holy Spirit ----it takes replacing our worldly thoughts with thoughts that line up with God's word and that takes much work on our part

We sin after we are saved because we still have the Old Man Residue in our thinking ----this needs to be renewed by us -----and until we do that we will continue to miss the mark ---but we don't have to sin we have a resource ---God's Grace to call upon even in our Carnal state -----

The spiritual man who is the Mature Christ--ian has the mind of Christ and has mastered his Carnal fleshy thinking and no longer thinks like the world ----he has all the fruits of the spirit ----self control over all emotions ----peace in every situation ---waits for the Holy Spirits direction in all matters ----patience in all areas of their life ----Agape abound ----has joy all the time no matter what happens -----etc --etc


This is up to us Not God ----we are transformed to the Spiritual Man by renewing our worldly thoughts to line up with God's Word ---Our Spirit is Renewed but not our minds ----you can believe this or not up to you ----This is what I work on every day and it will be till I die cause I am still far from mastering my Carnal worldly mind to the Spiritual mind of Christ -----we remain Carnal till we advance to Spiritual ----


--Airclean--post--
Unsafe Sister if I believe all you have posted here . I would have say The Apostles failed ". I am sorry but I will not do that". I believe that even a born again can be fooled an make a mistake" . I have no need to give scripture on this ". As we both study The New Testament and The old". We are not perfect yet". Only Christ was perfect , I am just a sinner," saved by Grace". But one Day I will become one with Christ Jesus" when we get out of these filthy rags."



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This Sister is my reading in the R.S.V.
Rom 12:10 love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor.

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Rom 12:11 Never flag in zeal, be aglow with the Spirit, serve the Lord.

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Rom 12:12 Rejoice in your hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer
So I leave this now Sister , we think very much the same . And yet we can think different. Are Father is one an yet more . All Glory is His. Amen" airclean33- Gord.
 
I believe the message of death is that Christians die with hope in God of eternal life as we see through faith in the Resurrection .

And I am questioning whether that is really a selling point. It is for some, but others have other beliefs around life and death that equally give them hope.
 
The fear lies in your sine's

Not sure trigonometry has anything to do with this.:D What about my cosines? :cool:

Seriously, though, sins can only be a source of fear if one believes in a theology of sin, damnation, and salvation. If one sees "sin" as being about broken relationship and "salvation" as the repairing of those relationships, no existential fear about the afterlife is needed.
 
I just realized that airclean has disagreed with unsafe, taking a more moderate "let God judge him" approach.

Mind. Blown.

Well done, airclean. Seriously.
HiChansen
Airclean--post---
Now I know it was a mistake". No Chansen I still except Unsafe", as a Sister", Chansen . We don't Judge one another. We try an help one another.
 
Not sure trigonometry has anything to do with this.:D What about my cosines? :cool:

Seriously, though, sins can only be a source of fear if one believes in a theology of sin, damnation, and salvation. If one sees "sin" as being about broken relationship and "salvation" as the repairing of those relationships, no existential fear about the afterlife is needed.
Airclean--post--
So as I understand you ". You have no belief that GOD Is right" . So when you do wrong, " oh I am sure you did it at least once". Who was it in your head, that said" . You Have Done Wrong? If you have gone past this point" , then you already, belong to the other side". God Help You.
 
You have no belief that GOD Is right

I have no belief that there is a personal God capable of being right. I'm an agnostic, remember?

So when you do wrong, " oh I am sure you did it at least once". Who was it in your head, that said" . You Have Done Wrong? If you have gone past this point"

It's called a conscience. We all have a sense of right and wrong, regardless of what we believe, unless we are seriously messed up (e.g. psychopaths). Religion informs our conscience, but so does life experience, upbringing, philosophy, etc. Genetics may even play into it (there is evidence, for instance, of altruism being an inherited trait in some animals).

I know very few people who think it is actually God him/her/itself who tells them they are doing wrong. Most people I know, even religious ones, would say that it is their own conscience that tells them wrong from right and that God, if there is one, influences that conscience.
 
And I am questioning whether that is really a selling point. It is for some, but others have other beliefs around life and death that equally give them hope.

firstly I am not nore is Christianity selling anything , Christianity offers hope for free for all, if that is Truth , then it is truth , regardless if one questions or not. All other beliefs do share in hope of some sort, non have a Risen Lord,

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