91 years, 1000 women, what's that average out to? - RIP, Hef

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I am a whore.

There's no "opinions" here. I made an unconscious/conscious sort of choice in my early teens. I would not play good girl/bad girl. The whole system was full of s**t. I liked sex, I liked men, and I would have my fun. I was a pretty cute young woman, and most men were happy enough to overlook the smart mouth.

The only man who ever thought of marrying me I asked to marry. I'd been convinced, at the ripe old age of 25, that marriage was the only safe place to be (my mom was bipolar and my PTSD father looked after her).

So, yeah, Hef is a s**t, I am a whore, and those who would divide us this way are probably really guilty.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I am a whore.

There's no "opinions" here. I made an unconscious/conscious sort of choice in my early teens. I would not play good girl/bad girl. The whole system was full of s**t. I liked sex, I liked men, and I would have my fun. I was a pretty cute young woman, and most men were happy enough to overlook the smart mouth.

The only man who ever thought of marrying me I asked to marry. I'd been convinced, at the ripe old age of 25, that marriage was the only safe place to be (my mom was bipolar and my PTSD father looked after her).

So, yeah, Hef is a s**t, I am a whore, and those who would divide us this way are probably really guilty.
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You and I are not that different, you know. I liked sex, I liked men (at least I'm physically attracted to them - I did not like getting used like a piece of trash or feeling like depreciating subhuman commodity in some unwritten marketplace. Hef had something to do with creating and/ or perpetuating that.) I was a really cute young woman (horizontally there was no difference between me and a cute model - when I walked my 'value' went down. Having a disability gave me the opportunity - unfortunately - to see misogyny at work. So, I also like sex better with respect and friendship and equal human value attached - because that is how to escape the feeling like a subhuman commodity issue in sexual relationships and be oneself - in my experience.

What do you mean when you say 'those who would divide us'? Who are they and what are they guilty of?
 
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Eat your heart out playboys. Misogynists can't have me and can't determine my value (That was me goofing around with selfies and makeup and a photo app about a year and a half ago, age 40 something. I changed my hair again since.)
 
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Turns out Hef got his magazine empire rolling by exploiting Marilyn Monroe. He bought nude pictures of her for $500 without her permission (leaked by someone else who bought them from her for $50 when she was struggling), for which she was shamed and had to apologize for - and she received no compensation from Hef while he made money off of selling her photos in his magazine and who knows how much those photos were "worth" in dollars, later. Now the old letch is going to be buried next to his "favourite blonde". The two never even met. He bought a burial plot next to her for $75K. She was not a human being to him - not even someone in his life - just an object who made him rich. That's disgusting. The epitome of exploitation.

Hugh Hefner Is Still Exploiting Marilyn Monroe, Even in Death
 
"Those who would divide us this way" includes all people, male, female, other-gendered (not nearly as likely), who insist on labelling all women as madonna or whore. We are all madonna; we are all whore. We belong to ourselves, not to our labels. The men (often older) who 'took advantage of me' were no worse than the self-righteous teenaged girls who whispered about me.
 
Divide an conquer is the rule of Roman Gods ... is there an alternate God? Would that oppose those desiring a position of power?

A corruption of power into a humble horse of none name? Thus the unknown of Gods ...
 
What "vortex"? It's your favourite new word. There's no vortex. I asked about why you did a certain thing. Simple as that. It can't not be about me when the comment was to me, and about me.

I am simply noticing that you tend to "like" posts Inanna makes, that are obviously directed to me (that comment was to me and about me - and it didn't make much sense coming from him anyway) that are meant to antagonize me a little...he does that...and your reason given doesn't entirely check out. So, sorry but I can only conclude that there's spite involved and I wish that wasn't the case. Can we work on that? No need to answer. Just think about it.
 
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Kimmio said:
It was how you framed your opinion - for me - there was subconscious objectification in saying that ones' attitude toward women doesn't have any impact on business or other major decisions of responsibility. As if we're a side issue, a little thing, not part of the whole of issues affecting people. As if we're not voters or consumers or innovators or part of the workforce, or even human beings, but things. That is part of the debate, about Hef. How he treated women was part of his legacy. Women were ornaments and toys for him and tools to get rich. And the issue is whether he is deserving in today's age of being revered.
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I want to set the record straight, Northwind. There was no labelling of ists or isms in this comment. The one that Innana commented on, that you felt complex to "like". There is no vortex. I was seeking clarification and honesty from you.
 
Pelled as a missal is more adequately pelt'd ... a complex stirring agent of the mind ... sometimes, often, they don't lodge ...

Like that hard point in Goliath's headman? He was stoned ... a stunned brusque sort ... done in by Wimpy! Beware of thinking men ... travelling light ... without a' Moor?
 
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