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Ok, so Christ's 11th commandment, "to be perfect" is not really attainable in our lives?
 
The Sumerian Tablets tells of the ancient child king (Sargon?) floating down the Euphrates in a basket. Sumerian and ancient Indian religion must have influenced the authors of the Hebrew text in this way. Given that there is only one major temple to Brahma, was it Abraham influencing the Hindu or the other way around or both?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
correct , your corrupted , you me , every human being

except for Jesus
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Why would Jesus give us an 11th commandment to "be perfect" if was it was unattainable? There must be a way or a path that we can take to "be perfect". And if there is a way, wouldn't it seem reasonable that some of the "Elders" of our race could've already attained this (relative) perfection?
 
Neo said:
Why would Jesus give us an 11th commandment to "be perfect" if was it was unattainable? There must be a way or a path that we can take to "be perfect". And if there is a way, wouldn't it seem reasonable that some of the "Elders" of our race could've already attained this (relative) perfection?
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there is a way, His name is Jesus Christ, he is the only way, let him do the work in you and you will be perfect according to His will in the new Kingdom.

not in this world
 
blackbelt1961 said:
there is a way, His name is Jesus Christ, he is the only way, let him do the work in you and you will be perfect according to His will in the new Kingdom.

not in this world
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But why not of this world? "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven". Christians always think that Heaven is some far off place that they'll be taken to when they die, and not one second before. When the fact is, it's always been inside of us. These "corrupted" bodies, as you call them, contain the "truth within". We're simply not yet aware of it. Yet.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
But but but

Because Jesus said so , I'll stick with Him since He proved Himself
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Where did he say we couldn't be physically perfect? The Lords Prayer says the will of the Father will be done on Earth. Wouldn't this be a "Heaven on Earth"? Wouldn't this be perfection, as our Father is perfect? (At least a relative perfection as far us human beings are concerned). If more and more humans became aware of the "truth within", eg Soul-God-Aware, wouldn't this be the manifestation of the Kingdom of God?
 
Waterfall said:
There are many things that somedays I

I believe they regard Malachi as the last prophet and that's when the age of prophecy ceased. They consider Jesus to be a false prophet and that his prophecies werent fulfilled and they say that's why Christianity had to invent the second coming, even though its always been stated in the OT that the true messiah would fulfil prophecy the first time.

Anybody have a good explanation why Jesus didnt finish the job the first time he came?
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This is a big question, Waterfall. Why don't you take it to a separate thread to be discussed in depth?

In my opinion Jesus did 'finish the job' the first time he came; depending of course on how we interpret 'the job'. He came to preach the Good News, the Gospel. He came to show us the Way. He showed us God's Spirit shining from within, and told us that the same Spirit is with us today and forever.

Personally, I walk with God in the here and now. God is with me. I do not wait for a 'second coming'.

"It is finished!" It is on going.
 
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I don't think most Jewish people think of Jesus as a "false prophet" as much as "not their prophet". I think there's some consensus that he followed the prophetic tradition, perhaps in the same way as Mohammed or Buddha - the finger pointing at the moon, not the moon.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I don't think most Jewish people think of Jesus as a "false prophet" as much as "not their prophet". I think there's some consensus that he followed the prophetic tradition, perhaps in the same way as Mohammed or Buddha - the finger pointing at the moon, not the moon.
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But didn't Jesus claim to "be" God, not just pointing a finger at God?
 
"I and the father are one," from the Gospel of John -- if indeed it was said by Jesus -- could mean many things.

To me, it is indicative of a feeling or experience of universal at-one-ment. For a pantheist, panentheist or unitheist, this is no big deal. Anyone who has experienced at-one-ment can say it, and universal at-one-ment is the natural state.

"I and the father are one" is an exclusive statement only to those who believe in a separate, supernatural, authoritarian God. To a unitheist it is just an experience of universal Truth.
 
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