Who Inhabited the World First? Satan or Humans?
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Well, the Bible says this, "So He drove the man out. And He placed cherubim east of the garden of Eden with a sword of fire that turned every way. They kept watch over the path to the tree of life" - Genesis 3:24 (NLV). However, it doesn't give the names of the cherubim. I don't feel either of them was Lucifer though.
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I always thought that God needed a Satan to gives us free choice to choose good or evil ------My thoughts on this subject have changed sine I have done some research on Who created Satan ------
To answer your OP question ----So who lived here first? Humans or Satan?
The Scripture says that God created Humans on the last day ---all was in place for Adam and Eve in the Garden ---so for me the Angels were created before Humans -----Lucifer became Satan ----
Now this is what I have come to Spiritually discern by and through The Holy Spirit about Lucifer who turned into Satan ------This is now What I personally believe ----
All angels have free will to choose to obey God or not like we do ---- ------ verse 6
Jude 5-6 (TLB)
5 My answer to them is: Remember this fact—which you know already—that the Lord saved a whole nation of people out of the land of Egypt and then killed every one of them who did not trust and obey him. 6 And I remind you of those angels who were once pure and holy but turned to a life of sin. Now God has them chained up in prisons of darkness, waiting for the judgment day.
Angels can choose to fall into sin as well-----
2 Peter 2 GW ----4 God didn’t spare angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, where he has secured them with chains of darkness and is holding them for judgment.
God created Eden and all that was in it ----including Humans ---God said that it was very good
Genesis 1:31 (GW)
31 And God saw everything that he had made and that it was very good. There was evening, then morning—the sixth day.
So if Satan was already in the Garden --God would not have said that it was all very good -----So this is what I have come to understand for me ---Lucifer was in the Garden and I believe he was there to Bless Adam and Eve and minister to them by God authority ----it makes no sence to me now that God would create a Satan and put him in the garden to deceive now from what I have studied ----that goes against all that God stands for in my view ---
Ezekiel 28 --to me is prophesying the down fall of Lucifer and refers to in my view ---if this scripture is referring to a human King --then I believe it addresses the Spirit behind this King -who then would be Satan ----which would make prefect sense to tie the 2 together ----
Ezekiel 28 verses 13 GW ---
13 You were in Eden, God’s garden.
You were covered with every kind of precious stone:
red quartz, topaz, crystal,
beryl, onyx, gray quartz, sapphire,
turquoise, and emerald.
Your settings and your sockets
were made of gold when you were created.
This verse to me describes Lucifer ------who was in the Garden ----there was no human King of Tyre in the Garden of Eden that is for sure ---if you read more on the city of Tyre it was full of religious idolatry and immoral sex ----so if the King here is human Satan is the Spirit behind the motivation of this King ----in my view
I personally believe that Lucifer's transgression happened in the garden ----not in heaven
Ezekiel 28:14-15 --- NKJ
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
I personally believe that Lucifer understood that when God spoke it because so and when a Covenant is made God would never break it -----and when God gave Adam and Eve total dominion over this earth ---I believe that is when Lucifer became envious and wanted to rule like God and become bigger than God ----at that moment that pride and envy took over he because Satan -----and was in the Garden at that time ---he was not in heaven and kicked down to earth as I originally thought ---I believe now that he became Satan while in Eden ----and thought if he could tempt the 2 to disobey God he would gain control over this earth ----and was not allowed back into God's Holy Place ----and I believe some of the angles made a decision of their free will to join Satan ---I believe Lucifer lost his angelic power the minute he transgressed against God ---
Isaiah 14 verses 12-14 GW ---to me describe WHY Lucifer became Satan ----
12 How you have fallen from heaven, you morning star, son of the dawn!
How you have been cut down to the ground, you conqueror of nations!
13 You thought,
“I’ll go up to heaven and set up my throne above God’s stars.
I’ll sit on the mountain far away in the north
where the gods assemble.
14 I’ll go above the top of the clouds.
I’ll be like the Most High.”
So in my view I see ----Lucifer made himself Satan by wanting to be God ----pride - greed and envy turned a beloved Cherub Angel into an evil Satan --
This is just how I personally see it Now ----and for me it makes perfect sense ----others may disagree --
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Biblically, cherubs are not limited to the cherubim east of the garden of Eden. As to the snake, I feel that he was either Satan appearing in the form of a snake, or else a snake who had been possessed by Satan.
Well, I don't feel Satan was guarding the tree.
No, I don't feel he did. I feel he wanted to see Adam and Eve make the wrong choice and so forfeit life everlasting. I feel we are not connecting well about this Waterfall.
Well, you said Satan was a cherub, the OT confirms they are to protect Eden and the Tree of Life, yet Satan offered the fruit he was to protect, to Eve which would have allowed her live forever by making a wrong choice....just trying to understand your explanation. So why would Satan want Eve to have full knowledge and live forever IYO?
The verse from Genesis that I quoted tells us, "So He drove the man out. And He placed cherubim east of the garden of Eden with a sword of fire that turned every way. They kept watch over the path to the tree of life" - Genesis 3:24 (NLV). However, it doesn't say that, '...He placed all the cherubim east of the garden of Eden...' Moreover, I don't have the feeling that Lucifer was at this time still in existence as a cherub. He may have already fallen into the being who is Satan the devil.
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Waterfall ----your quote ---You say that God sends angels that sin to hell, so why is Satan still roaming the earth IYO? Or do you believe Satan wasn't an angel?
unsafe says ---Just to clarify -----
No Waterfall I didn't say this statement ---I quoted God's word which says this ----He threw them into hell ------God did that ----
2 Peter 2 GW ----4 God didn’t spare angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, where he has secured them with chains of darkness and is holding them for judgment.
Now to answer your question -----your quote here ---- why is Satan still roaming the earth IYO? Or do you believe Satan wasn't an angel?
Why because ---God said this below is the scripture to Satan in the Garden for deceiving Eve -----Satan is to remain here on this earth until Jesus comes back and defeats him for good ---and then he will be in hell ---that is my view from what scripture says ----
Satan's punishment for his deceiving Eve below ----Satan wanted to have his throne above God's if you read the scripture ---his throne is here on this earth ---he is the god od this world not God's Kingdom like he wanted -----
Genesis 3:4
New American Standard 1977
And the LORD God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly shall you go,
And dust shall you eat
All the days of your life;
Your quote here ----do you believe Satan wasn't an angel?
unsafe says ---and posted scripture
If you had read my post on page 1 you will see if I believe if Satan is an angel ----
2 Corinthians 11:14 ----GOD'S WORD® Translation
And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Ask yourself ----if Satan wasn't an angel --how could he pose as one -----Satan is a spiritual being like all the other angels are ----Satan is the fallen Lucifer in my opinion----
unsafe says ---Just to clarify -----
No Waterfall I didn't say this statement ---I quoted God's word which says this ----He threw them into hell ------God did that ----
2 Peter 2 GW ----4 God didn’t spare angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, where he has secured them with chains of darkness and is holding them for judgment.
Now to answer your question -----your quote here ---- why is Satan still roaming the earth IYO? Or do you believe Satan wasn't an angel?
Why because ---God said this below is the scripture to Satan in the Garden for deceiving Eve -----Satan is to remain here on this earth until Jesus comes back and defeats him for good ---and then he will be in hell ---that is my view from what scripture says ----
Satan's punishment for his deceiving Eve below ----Satan wanted to have his throne above God's if you read the scripture ---his throne is here on this earth ---he is the god od this world not God's Kingdom like he wanted -----
Genesis 3:4
New American Standard 1977
And the LORD God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly shall you go,
And dust shall you eat
All the days of your life;
Your quote here ----do you believe Satan wasn't an angel?
unsafe says ---and posted scripture
If you had read my post on page 1 you will see if I believe if Satan is an angel ----
2 Corinthians 11:14 ----GOD'S WORD® Translation
And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Ask yourself ----if Satan wasn't an angel --how could he pose as one -----Satan is a spiritual being like all the other angels are ----Satan is the fallen Lucifer in my opinion----
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Waterfall ----if your an unbeliever you are living in Satan's world ------If you have received Jesus as your Lord and saviour you are not in Satan's world anymore ----we True Christ--ians live in this world but we are not of this world any longer -----unbelievers are in this world and of this world ----Satan is their god whether they believe it or not -----
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Waterfall said:
Angeology suggests that the term angel functions as an umbrella term and that there are various ranks of spiritual beings caught up in the overall term.
Angels, Arch-angels, Seraphs and Cherubs are the ranks given from highest to lowest.
Then there are within those groupings designations of thrones, dominions, principalities and powers. Can't recall the heirarchy here if there is one.
The language used in the book of Revelation particularly where it tells of battle between Michael and his angels vs, Satan and his angels suggests that Satan has rank over angels (or their fallen members renamed demons) and is at least an Arch-angel. Ezekiel has Satan described as a guardian cherub.
According to the narrative the Cherubs and the flaming sword are placed at the entrance to Eden after Adam and Eve get the heave-ho so that the Tree of Life cannot be accessed.
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It's true. Satan offered me cookies. You guys get tasteless wafers. I may burn for eternity, but the cookies are really good.
Obviously you've never participated in a good old-fashioned church potluck. Sooo much more than tasteless wafers.