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What are you doing to find common ground @Kimmio ?

As for the suggestion that I am not a proper social worker, remember that a significant part of promoting justice and peace is empowering people. Focusing only on safe spaces disempowers sometimes.

Are you an RSW now?
 
Northwind said:
What are you doing to find common ground @Kimmio ?

As for the suggestion that I am not a proper social worker, remember that a significant part of promoting justice and peace is empowering people. Focusing only on safe spaces disempowers sometimes.

Are you an RSW now?
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No. But I looked up to those who taught me, who were - and I feel disappointed in what you've been saying lately. And we were taught to adhere to the SW code of ethics as certified Social Service Workers even if we cannot be RSW's - and I believed in its value.
 
Kimmio said:
So...how's free hate speech working out?
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Excuse me????? What on earth does this mean? Because I do not follow your twisted logic fully I support hate speech. Have I got that right? I do hope you are more than just a keyboard warrior with a few SW courses under your belt.
 
Kimmio said:
I feel disappointed in what you've been saying lately.
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By all means, do report me to the college.

Kimmio said:
And we were taught to adhere to the SW code of ethics as certified Social Service Workers even if we cannot be RSW's - and I believed in its value.
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And if you adhere to the code of ethics you will know that empowering people is a significant part of practice. Just focusing on "safety" and taking a victim stance is very disempowering.
 
Northwind said:
By all means, do report me to the college.



And if you adhere to the code of ethics you will know that empowering people is a significant part of practice. Just focusing on "safety" and taking a victim stance is very disempowering.
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I have no intention of reporting you to anybody. I'm just pointing out that I value the profession of SW - I think it's probably the most valuable yet underrated profession in society. It's not just a profession it's a lifestyle and a calling that takes a lot of resilience (which I lost somewhere). And I always felt that - with every social worker I met - if you can't trust a SW to stand up for what is just, and if you can't trust a SW to help you feel safer, to recognize bullying and marginalization, and the effects of abuse, and have your back, you can't trust anyone. If you're feeling disempowered by a social worker - something's wrong.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The Russian invaded Afghanistan. The U.S. used that as a lever against Russia. It sent CIA operatives to help the Afghanistan rebels - the ones who are now the Taliban. It armed them, paid them, and trained them in terrorist methods. In short, the U.S. created the Taliban armies that they are now fighting in Afghanistan.
I worked against the Russians who pulled out. And it has also worked against the U.S. which has tried to push in.


In Canadian news, there was a tornado in the city of Lachute just north of Montreal. I know the area well. I summer cottaged there most of my life. And I've never heard of a tornado in any part of Quebec in all of history.
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Do you think the Soviet Union wouldve collapsed if it hadnt had invaded Afghanistan?
(All this pushing and pulling sounds like certain late nite tv...)

I heard aboot the microburst tornado. Wow. Those things r scary. And very messy. I do hope it was bilingual.
 
Kimmio said:
Who understand's Trump's perspective. How is it even possible?
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He is used to getting his own way. He feels entitled to break rules and loyalty is the most important thing to him. He seems to harbour some decidedly bigoted beliefs that resonated with racist organizations and people, and he is loyal to them, and they to him. These are the scared people I was talking about. They alone did not get him elected, but they sure as hell put him over the top. The rest you can hang on the Democrats, who didn't talk about what they would do, so much as how bad Trump was. They didn't need to point that out. The ran a bad campaign. Most thought it wouldn't matter. It did.

You can't see it from this perspective. If you care deeply about something, the other side is a mystery to you and you can't understand why anyone would feel that way.


Kimmio said:
And I'm convinced some people here have made it a sport to oppose me - instead of finding common ground. Last week I was being told I support the alt right (which should be denounced and I fully agree they should be denounced) by saying there's a violent faction on the far left. Today I'm being told I have to be more understanding of racists. If I say the sky is blue - people will argue it's pink. If I say it's pink - people will argue it's blue. Before even looking out the window. And - there will never be common ground with you. You have something to do with making that a "sport" and part of WC2 culture. You enjoy demeaning me and a few others. I think you're a troll.
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I try to leave it alone, but here, you're mostly on the side I'm on, and your help is killing me.

You can tell me the sky is blue, and I might say it's more grey today. You will then tell me that I must be blind and I'm anti-blue. In your second post, I'll be called a greyist. It will descend from there. I'll consider bouncing my head off a block wall.

My previous post pointed out how your reluctance to see things from the perspective of other people is likely the key reason for your inability to connect readers with your arguments. Am I wrong? Are you doing spectacularly with changing opinions? Am I the only one disagreeing with you? I don't see it, and I think this is a big reason.

You call me a troll, because you react emotionally to my posts. You think I'm trying for that response. Every time you respond emotionally to my posts, my head drops. This is not fun for me. This is draining.
 
Northwind said:
Excuse me????? What on earth does this mean? Because I do not follow your twisted logic fully I support hate speech. Have I got that right? I do hope you are more than just a keyboard warrior with a few SW courses under your belt.
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What do you mean by your comment about safe spaces and bubble wrap. Do you mean that hate speech should be tolerated so we're not called snowflakes? That's how I interpreted it. Especially after you agreed with Bette that "you can't just ban s**t".

I do think we need protections against hate speech. If you agree but I read you incorrectly I apologize.

I graduated from a Social Service Worker program that I took in 2005 and 2006. Back when I didn't use social media and Social Justice Warrior was not derogatory. I intended to use my credits toward a BSW but I got work related to the field and I wasn't resilient enough to witness the heartache and injustice with such little autonomy (and a whole lot of nasty unjust bureaucracy from management in my last job in employment services). I don't plan on getting that BSW anymore.
 
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That's not my problem @Kimmio

I am disagreeing. I am not bullying. There's a difference. I follow a different narrative apparently.

Calling people names like "racist" and "misogynist" serves no purpose. Some of those people are my clients. Some are my neighbours. If I go around calling them names I will not get far at all. If there is any hope of changing their views, it is by being a presence that shows another view. Calling out behaviours is far more effective than labelling.

I chose to do my work on the ground rather than on the keyboard. I would suggest you widen your circle of social workers. We are a diverse profession.
 
chansen said:
You can tell me the sky is blue, and I might say it's more grey today. You will then tell me that I must be blind and I'm anti-blue. In your second post, I'll be called a greyist. It will descend from there. I'll consider bouncing my head off a block wall.
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This has been my experience.

Kimmio said:
What do you mean by your comment about safe spaces and bubble wrap. Do you mean that hate speech should be tolerated so we're not called snowflakes?
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We have limits on hate speech. If we start banning things there will be a slippery slope. Hate speech needs to be exposed so it can be challenge. Banning it will only drive it underground.

You appear to want to protect people from adversity so they won't experience any adversity. That cripples people. I'd prefer to empower than to cripple.
 
I don't think anyone here is going to change people like Donald Trump or David Duke. Might as well call them what they are. Those who've fallen under their spell are a different story.

I've met about a dozen RSW's I got to know a bit. None of them shied away from naming misogyny and racism. Maybe not at work "to" clients (not calling clients names), but in general conversation. It's part of naming the roots of oppression.

Nobody here is anybody's client.
 
In a certain way - it's one of those things that keeping underground keeps the fighting from happening, physically, on the ground - like what we're seeing now. Keep it underground. Back under the rock from hence it crawled out. Because i don't think it'll be gone in this lifetime but it doesn't deserve airtime.

Like my privately racist grandpa. Who I loved but had a hard time relating to that aspect of. He hated the Japanese - at home he'd say so but I never saw him be rude to a Japanese person. I'm not saying it wouldn't be worth trying to change his mind (which he eventually did before he died). It's not ideal - privately held racist views that is - but better than fighting in the streets while hate speech is flying. Public hate speech is being treated like a sacred right in the U.S. - and it's not working out.
 
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Northwind said:
Misogynist and racist are labels.

Misogyny and racism are behaviours.

Is that clear enough for you?
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I agree. But I don't have the same qualms you have about naming people like Donald Trump and David Duke misogynists and racists. Nor the neo-nazis. I don't think they feel any need to change. And they're not really insulted by it. Especially the KKK and neo-nazis. And those who are blatant misogynists. They don't care if they are called that. Only the most sensitive of "snowflakes" would be offended by somebody calling a racist a racist - if it's indeed true. It's like you're feeling insulted on their behalf when they couldn't care less or else they wouldn't belong to those groups.
 
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US is one of the least intolerant countries in the world
Free speech is pretty important in US. It provides the alternative to violence and doesn't require everyone to like and dislike, love or hate the same things.

Just look at the countries with serious free speech problems; racism is rife there.

A reminder: drive hate underground and it festers...
 
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