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Pr. Jae said:
I will only share the story of the one Messianic Jew I personally know. She's a friend, a member of my church, and a fellow student in my seminary cohort.

She was adopted as a baby and raised by loving Hindu parents. Later in life, she became a Christian, and joined the Baptist church. Then she had a test done which revealed she was Jewish. She now attends both my Baptist church, and a Messianic Jewish synagogue. She identifies herself as Jewish, and Christian.
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there us a Jewish woman in my church, I have knowing her 5 yrs now, she calls herself a Messianic Jew, she has a brother who is a Rabi in Israel, last yr she went I holidays and knowing how some Rabi are towards believers in Christ, I ask her about it, she said she try and call and went to her brothers house to visit, He kicked her out
 
blackbelt1961 said:
there us a Jewish woman in my church, I have knowing her 5 yrs now, she calls herself a Messianic Jew, she has a brother who is a Rabi in Israel, last yr she went I holidays and knowing how some Rabi are towards believers in Christ, I ask her about it, she said she try and call and went to her brothers house to visit, He kicked her out
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I love reading the different interpretations and understandings in this thread. Great discussion!
 
This is one tradition that Christianity did not inherit from our Jewish roots, that we should try hard to reclaim, I think. That of "wrestling with the text", of methodical and logical dissection of the text (it's gorgeous if one can do it in the original language; Islam may have the right idea when it attempts to restrict the Qu'ran to its original Arabic), of rigorous discussion between each other, and between ourselves and Godde. That was what made Jacob a heroic figure - that he had the courage to challenge Godde.
 
Are Messianic Jews, Jews?
By birth and culture, yes. They cannot escape the circumstances of their birth, nor do they want to deny it. Neither do they want to give up their rich Jewish cultural identity. But by accepting Jesus as messiah (Greek - Christ), they become Christians.
Culturally they are Jews.
By religion they are Christians.
 
Seeler said:
Are Messianic Jews, Jews?
By birth and culture, yes. They cannot escape the circumstances of their birth, nor do they want to deny it. Neither do they want to give up their rich Jewish cultural identity. But by accepting Jesus as messiah (Greek - Christ), they become Christians.
Culturally they are Jews.
By religion they are Christians.
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but the word christian does not mean a religion, It evolved to that , but Jesus never said become a christian, the word is derived from the Greek meaning " follower of Christ " .

In acts , believers were called Nazaresens which meant followers of the Nazarien Jesus.

anyone can be a follower or a believer,
 
But culturally, their Jewish relatives are prone to rejecting them. And it doesn't have to do with abiding by another religion, specifically, because there are groups of Jewish buddhists and atheists who fit in just fine. Judaism doesn't have a huge problem with Jesus of Nazareth as a prophet, or of that prophetic tradition; it's the whole trinity concept that causes a conflict with Jewish monotheistic beliefs.
 
They're not rejected on the basis of an amorphous set of beliefs, though, but on the basis that Christianity is NOT monotheistic, that we are in danger of violation of the Noahide laws around idolatry. I find this both amusing, and somewhat central to the argument...
 
Abraham was not a Jew, Jesus was not a Christian, Gautama was not a Buddhist, Mohammed was not a Muslim.

To go by these great people, I suppose it is just fine to be a-religious.;)
 
Pr. Jae said:
I will only share the story of the one Messianic Jew I personally know. She's a friend, a member of my church, and a fellow student in my seminary cohort.

She was adopted as a baby and raised by loving Hindu parents. Later in life, she became a Christian, and joined the Baptist church. Then she had a test done which revealed she was Jewish. She now attends both my Baptist church, and a Messianic Jewish synagogue. She identifies herself as Jewish, and Christian.
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Wait, there is a test to reveal you as Jewish? I assume this is not Jewish as a religious choice but Jewish by ancestry?
 
BetteTheRed said:
They're not rejected on the basis of an amorphous set of beliefs, though, but on the basis that Christianity is NOT monotheistic, that we are in danger of violation of the Noahide laws around idolatry. I find this both amusing, and somewhat central to the argument...
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How is Christianity "NOT monotheistic"? We believe in just one God.
 
Pr. Jae said:
How is Christianity "NOT monotheistic"? We believe in just one God.
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from the beginning one of the complaints about Christianity has been that it is not truly monotheistic. Because of the the Trinity.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Assume you're talking about a genetic marker for some sort of Eastern European Jewish disease?
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A quick Google shows that there are certain genetic markers that are common in people of Jewish ancestry (in fact, it appears that you can even pin down whether someone's Jewish ancestors were Azhkenazim, Sephardic, etc.) due to long histories of Jewish groups marrying only other Jews. Finding these in a person would give them a high probability of having Jewish ancestry but their absence would not automatically mean that one does not have Jewish ancestry.

Most of what I found is from companies offering to do the testing, but there is one article from a Jewish news site:

http://forward.com/articles/134758/family-roots/
 
Mendalla said:
A quick Google shows that there are certain genetic markers that are common in people of Jewish ancestry (in fact, it appears that you can even pin down whether someone's Jewish ancestors were Azhkenazim, Sephardic, etc.) due to long histories of Jewish groups marrying only other Jews. Finding these in a person would give them a high probability of having Jewish ancestry but their absence would not automatically mean that one does not have Jewish ancestry.

Most of what I found is from companies offering to do the testing, but there is one article from a Jewish news site:

http://forward.com/articles/134758/family-roots/
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Yes, I knew it some kind of genetic test that my friend had. What I don't know is exactly what.
 
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