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Entanglement theory is thus blown as a Ruah in de bleu ... an Arab attribute?

the westerners have a BS that this has a PEW bote it ..
 
I like this. A lot. It does point up, however, why I remain outside the Christian camp. I just don't feel that relationship with Jesus. With the universe, what UUs called "the web of all existence of which we are a part", sure. But my brain just can't grok that as a relationship with a singular personal deity. It's a relationship with the myriad parts of the whole and with the whole itself. It is being part of the one and one of the many; a reflection of a greater reality.

Jesus as the gateway to God, as @revsdd expresses here:

We approach God through Jesus, and God approaches us through Jesus. He is the gate, or the door - not locked, but wide open in invitation to all to share this relationship of intimacy with God.
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Seems like a great understanding of Jesus if only I FELT that kind of connection. I can think about it, I can understand intellectually what it is saying, but it simply does not inspire me to any kind of faith.

As I said, it is a very good reflection; it just doesn't resonate with my feelings about my place in the universe.
 
I have a question, if we approach God through Jesus and God approaches us through Jesus, Is Jesus still considered part of the trinity now that he has ascended? I know we refer to the Father, Son and the HS as one but Is there a reason to have separate names since Jesus is now in "heaven" and even more so ONE, wouldn't it just be one big entity. Didn't Jesus come to earth to reveal a part of God to us but is that still required because he is now visually as invisible to us now as God is to us? So why the separation unless we're speaking about history and honouring those teachings that were brought to us 2000 years ago? Hope you understand what I'm getting at.:)
 
Mendalla said:
Seems like a great understanding of Jesus if only I FELT that kind of connection. I can think about it, I can understand intellectually what it is saying, but it simply does not inspire me to any kind of faith.

As I said, it is a very good reflection; it just doesn't resonate with my feelings about my place in the universe.
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Interesting. I am just the opposite. . . at times I get pretty "iffy" about God and God's existence but remain firm about my call (desire?) to follow Jesus.
 
Waterfall said:
I have a question, if we approach God through Jesus and God approaches us through Jesus, Is Jesus still considered part of the trinity now that he has ascended? I know we refer to the Father, Son and the HS as one but Is there a reason to have separate names since Jesus is now in "heaven" and even more so ONE, wouldn't it just be one big entity. Didn't Jesus come to earth to reveal a part of God to us but is that still required because he is now visually as invisible to us now as God is to us? So why the separation unless we're speaking about history and honouring those teachings that were brought to us 2000 years ago? Hope you understand what I'm getting at.:)
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Become unitarian. Solves the whole problem. :D (Well, and creates a few more such as how a unitarian deity can be incarnated. Most Christian Unitarians, even before the movement swung humanist in the mid-twentieth century, solved the problem by not believing in the incarnation, at least in a literal sense.)
 
paradox3 said:
Interesting. I am just the opposite. . . at times I get pretty "iffy" about God and God's existence but remain firm about my call (desire?) to follow Jesus.
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I have a sense of presence and of being part of something bigger that I can related somewhat to "God". But I don't have a sense of a personality attached to that God so a divine messenger or incarnation or Jesus as a "gateway" to that God doesn't really click. I can relate to Jesus as a preacher and teacher, just not as being in some way connected to a literally existing personal deity.
 
paradox3 said:
Interesting. I am just the opposite. . . at times I get pretty "iffy" about God and God's existence but remain firm about my call (desire?) to follow Jesus.
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This boggles my mind paradox3. How can you be sure about Jesus, the Son of God, who is himself God, yet iffy about God?
 
Jae said:
This boggles my mind paradox3. How can you be sure about Jesus, the Son of God, who is himself God, yet iffy about God?
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My answer may partly answer that. A lot of people relate to his teachings on forgiveness, compassion, etc. without buying into the "incarnate Deity" theology. So one could buy into Jesus as a preacher and teacher but still be agnostic on God and Jesus' connection to that God.
 
Mendalla said:
My answer may partly answer that. A lot of people relate to his teachings on forgiveness, compassion, etc. without buying into the "incarnate Deity" theology. So one could buy into Jesus as a preacher and teacher but still be agnostic on God and Jesus' connection to that God.
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Yes... I suppose. Many claim that Jesus was a great teacher and preacher and deny his words confirming that he's God.
 
Jae said:
Yes... I suppose. Many claim that Jesus was a great teacher and preacher and deny his words confirming that he's God.
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Or take them metaphorically. That he embodies God's Will or Message but is not literally God or things like that. IOW, they don't necessarily deny them, just reinterpret them.
 
Jae said:
I see that as misinterpreting them.
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And I'm sure they would say likewise of your position. Interpretation is not a objective, testable scientific matter, even when backed by scholarship.
 
Jae said:
This boggles my mind paradox3. How can you be sure about Jesus, the Son of God, who is himself God, yet iffy about God?
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I don't necessarily see Jesus as being himself God, although I do see him as a manifestation of God's character.

Right now I seem to be holding an agnostic point of view when it comes to the existence of God. However, I am not an atheist and have never identified as one.
 
paradox3 said:
I don't necessarily see Jesus as being himself God, although I do see him as a manifestation of God's character.

Right now I seem to be holding an agnostic point of view when it comes to the existence of God. I am not an atheist and never have been.
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Okay then, I see the problem. Thanks for your answer.
 
Jae said:
This boggles my mind paradox3. How can you be sure about Jesus, the Son of God, who is himself God, yet iffy about God?
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From one point of view. I much admire and would gladly follow the itinerant rabbi, Jesus. The son of Mary who inspired faith in many persons in the land and by this raised the ire of religious folk in charge of God's temple. Folk who killed that rabbi in the name of God. As they killed persons who took up his offer and followed in his way.

 
Mendalla said:
Become unitarian. Solves the whole problem. :D (Well, and creates a few more such as how a unitarian deity can be incarnated. Most Christian Unitarians, even before the movement swung humanist in the mid-twentieth century, solved the problem by not believing in the incarnation, at least in a literal sense.)
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Thanks but still curious how a Christian would answer it though.
 
Waterfall said:
Thanks but still curious how a Christian would answer it though.
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Unitarians were a Christian movement in the period I'm talking about. Theologically, unitarianism is simply Christianity without the Trinity. The more humanist movement that led to modern UU'ism came in the twentieth century, mostly during and after WWII.
 
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