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Simply getting a paycheck could also enable bad choices ...
Edit: Money is the primary motivater behind most bad choices!
 
Proverbs 31:6,7
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those who are bitter of heart. Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Street people in Calgary all have access to food shelter and clothing. Lots have addictions. Are they on the street because they have addictions? Or do they have addictions because of depression or some other mental issue that they self medicate with smokes or booze or some other drug?
 
Charles Baudelaire said whine, virtue, or poetics could help as they are all disturb cognizance to a point people don't have any emotions to fret any more ... thus the poor of spirit ... assuming spirit is like emotions in a Jaerd state!

Some believe this is an awful pickle to be in ...
 
If your mom is in pain in the hospital, do you ask the nurse to withhold medication.

If the only way a street person can self medicate is to beg or steal, which is better?
 
Thus always a justification for stealing ... those with more have greater power of justification ...

Isn't that the way it incarnates?
 
Freedom requires giving them the stuff ... whether it be dangerous, or life giving as there is freedom of choice (so I'm told)!

I'm also told I know nothing so I have to make an image ... everything is about illusion!
 
Hi...

My whole adult life has been involved with street culture. Basically lived there from 19 to 30. Always depending on the kindness of strangers. Lots of judgement by those who gave and those who didn't. Lots of love from those who gave and those who didn't. All to do with the disposition of the giver specific to the receiver.

I'm still at home in the streets of any inner city. Church folk ask what they should say and do when asked for change in the street. You can say either of two words, yes or no. What counts is what is going on in your eyes and in your heart. A loving heart expressed through kind eyes brings benefit to the person asking for change. The change may not be instant. Loving kindness expressed into the experience of any stranger is like water filling a cup, drop by drop, till a critical level and then it begins to run over. Receivers mature and become givers.

Walking down an inner city street one day. Two buskers in conflict in front of the liquor store. Who would occupy the prime space? Folk noticing the drama. Out comes my clown nose. Out comes a fifty dollar bill. A bit of a soft shoe shuffle into the action. Folk stop and watch. Elevate the fifty. Grand gestures and tear the thing in half. One half to the guitar player and one half to the juggler and "Try cooperation fellas. It pays well!" Conflict resolved. Fellas take the two bits of currency and look for scotch tape and a bank. Each now happier by twenty-five bucks. Clown shuffles off with eyes open for the next opportunity.

George
 
Hi...

My whole adult life has been involved with street culture. Basically lived there from 19 to 30. Always depending on the kindness of strangers. Lots of judgement by those who gave and those who didn't. Lots of love from those who gave and those who didn't. All to do with the disposition of the giver specific to the receiver.

I'm still at home in the streets of any inner city. Church folk ask what they should say and do when asked for change in the street. You can say either of two words, yes or no. What counts is what is going on in your eyes and in your heart. A loving heart expressed through kind eyes brings benefit to the person asking for change. The change may not be instant. Loving kindness expressed into the experience of any stranger is like water filling a cup, drop by drop, till a critical level and then it begins to run over. Receivers mature and become givers.

Walking down an inner city street one day. Two buskers in conflict in front of the liquor store. Who would occupy the prime space? Folk noticing the drama. Out comes my clown nose. Out comes a fifty dollar bill. A bit of a soft shoe shuffle into the action. Folk stop and watch. Elevate the fifty. Grand gestures and tear the thing in half. One half to the guitar player and one half to the juggler and "Try cooperation fellas. It pays well!" Conflict resolved. Fellas take the two bits of currency and look for scotch tape and a bank. Each now happier by twenty-five bucks. Clown shuffles off with eyes open for the next opportunity.

George

Is that integral idealism ... or ecclesiastical gathering of strange things to those still isolated? Some of the population do not think that far ahead ...
 
So many memories of receiving and giving in the street. Living in community with survival sex workers addicted to crack cocaine. Feeding them porridge in the morning and soup at night. Getting them connected with physical and emotional supports and encouragements. Being a positive male image for persons much abused by men, often from early childhood. The emphasis was never on changing behaviour. All available personal and shared resources were focused on reviving and strengthening each person's failed esteem. Once personal esteem is established and strengthened persons are able to make positive life choices. Forcing change without reviving esteem rarely produces positive health outcomes.
 
Proverbs 31:6,7
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those who are bitter of heart. Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Street people in Calgary all have access to food shelter and clothing. Lots have addictions. Are they on the street because they have addictions? Or do they have addictions because of depression or some other mental issue that they self medicate with smokes or booze or some other drug?
Knew a young woman who sold sex to buy crack. Learned some of her story. At age eight her mother injected her with heroin. She was making a fuss while mum was doing some john.

Folk in the neighbourhood took this girl for trash. We saw her as neighbour. Paid a steep price for what we offered freely to the broken poor at our doorstep.

Must be a parable about this somewhere?
 
Waterfall your quote -----God's Grace has always existed. It existed within the Old Covenant and exists within the New Covenant

unsafe says ----I agree ----Grace always existed -----

unsafe says --and posted scripture

Grace is not a thing ---Grace is a person ------Jesus is Grace -----only begotten of the Father, full of grace -----Jesus is God's Grace personified

John1:14-18 NKJV -----
The Word Becomes Flesh

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Titus 2 NKJV -----Trained by Saving Grace

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,


Your Quote
-----Grace is irresistible -----unsafe says ----This is mot my view -----my view is we have free will to choose -----

definition
Irresistible grace(or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, ...

Your Quote -----but our response to Grace is to keep God's laws......of which Jesus came to increase not remove

unsafe says ----and posted scripture

Why would Jesus come to increase the laws of Moses when the laws were put in place to increase sin -------God brought the laws in to show the Jews they couldn't keep them and He added the Curse as their punishment for disobeying the laws -----He did all this to show them they needed a Saviour to Save them as they couldn't do that on their own -------

Romans 5:20 GW
20 The laws in Moses’ Teachings were added to increase the failure -----

unsafe says ---and posted scripture

Jesus came break the Curse of the Law by Fulfilling the Law ------

Matthew 5 :17
King James Bible
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Your Quote ----
So if a preacher is loving God and loving others through actions/deeds and how he lives , he/she is most likely responding to God's grace.

unsafe says

Only if the Preacher has the Holy Spirit Waterfall ----otherwise the Preacher is away from God -------and no good deeds will save you ----Jesus is the only one who can save a person --Being a loving person and Loving others without the Holy Spirit is Fruitless in God's eyes -----and the Human Spirit is unable to love unconditionally ------Agape is a fruit of the Spirit ------

The Law keeps people in bondage ----you have to do to get God to move ---you have to keep the laws and no human can ----Keep the law get the Blessing ---Disobey the law and get the Curse ----

Under Grace we do nothing to get God to move because Jesus paid the price for us all and we can either reject what Jesus has done or receive what Jesus has done ----we are freed from preforming the laws -----Jesus put and end to the Curse by fulfilling the Law

unsafe says and posted scripture ---

So now I will complete the Scripture I posted above above ---Romans 5:20 GW to include the rest of it ------and verse 21

20 The laws in Moses’ Teachings were added to increase the failure ----But where sin increased, God’s kindness increased even more.
21 As sin ruled by bringing death, God’s kindness would rule by bringing us his approval. This results in our living forever because of Jesus Christ our Lord.

unsafe says ----and posted scripture

God created the laws ----the laws are good and perfect ---the problem with them is that humans were unable to keep them -----The Mosaic Covenant was not a Good Covenant ------If the first covenant had been without fault, it wouldn’t have made sense to expect a second.8 But God did find fault with them

Hebrews 8:7-13 CEB
7 If the first covenant had been without fault, it wouldn’t have made sense to expect a second.8 But God did find fault with them, since he says,
Look, the days are coming, says the Lord,
when I will make a covenant with the house of Israel,
and I will make a new covenant with the house of Judah.

9 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors
on the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,
because they did not continue to keep my covenant,
and I lost interest in them, says the Lord.


10 This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, says the Lord.
I will place my laws in their minds,
and write them on their hearts.

I will be their God,
and they will be my people.


11 And each person won’t ever teach a neighbor
or their brother or sister, saying,
Know the Lord,
because they will all know me,
from the least important of them to the most important;


12 because I will be lenient toward their unjust actions,

and I won’t remember their sins anymore.[a]

13 When it says new, it makes the first obsolete. And if something is old and outdated, it’s close to disappearing.

unsafe says -----and posted scripture

So here we see in the scripture above ----The first covenant God was not pleased with ------The new covenant God remembers our sins no more -----and God makes the Old Covenant obsolete ---says it is outdated and is close to disappearing -----Jesus died and it no longer in use -----God has written the laws on our heart now and Grace is in place to help us live a righteous life ------


Before the laws came into effect ----there was no sin charged to people by God ------only the Blessings were in Place -----the Law brought in the Curse --and make people see their sin -----..verse 13 of scripture below ----13 Sin was in the world before there were any laws. But no record of sin can be kept when there are no laws. ---

This is the same verse but from the AMP Bible-----13 Sin was [committed] in the world before the Law [was given], but sin is not charged [against anyone] when there is no law [against it].


Romans 5:8 -13 GW

8 Christ died for us while we were still sinners. This demonstrates God’s love for us.
9 Since Christ’s blood has now given us God’s approval, we are even more certain that Christ will save us from God’s anger.10 If the death of his Son restored our relationship with God while we were still his enemies, we are even more certain that, because of this restored relationship, the life of his Son will save us.11 In addition, our Lord Jesus Christ lets us continue to brag about God. After all, it is through Christ that we now have this restored relationship with God.

A Comparison between Adam and Christ

12 Sin came into the world through one person, and death came through sin. So death spread to everyone, because everyone sinned.13 Sin was in the world before there were any laws. But no record of sin can be kept when there are no laws.


unsafe says -----

The New Covenant has vast things to offer to God's Children -----only the Blessings are left in place ---that is all the Blessings in Deuteronomy 28

Jesus has paid the price all we have to do is receive them and we need to keep Satan --the destroyer --- at bay ----and God tells us how to do Just that in His word

Jesus is Grace and moved on our behalf ----so we don't have to be in bondage to works to get God to gives us the Blessings ----The Blessings are already in Place for all God's Children ------As are All Spiritual Blessings -------

What a wonderful thing this is ------For all Born Again People -------Please Note ---------

Now all this being said -----for unbelievers the Law is still in place they are still under the Blessings and the Curse -----So when the law is being Preached the Church needs to be told the difference between what is in place for Believers and unbelievers ----Salvation means Free from the laws ------Past --Present and Future Sins are forgiven ------you are free from sin and death -----only the Blessings are in place as opposed to unbelievers who are still in bondage to sin and death--under the Law ----their sins are not forgiven ----and because they can't keep the laws only the Curse is in place -----

unsafe posted scripture ---

1 Timothy 1:3-10 GW
----A Warning about False Teachers ----read all here ----https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1:3-10&version=GW
8 We know that the laws in Moses’ Teachings are good if they are used as they were intended to be used.9 For example, a person must realize that those laws are not intended for people who have God’s approval. Laws are intended for lawbreakers and rebels, for ungodly people and sinners,

unsafe felt this was important to post

Salvation in Greek is


4991. sótéria
Strong's Concordance
sótéria: deliverance, salvation
Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sótéria
Phonetic Spelling:(so-tay-ree'-ah)
Short Definition: --- deliverance, salvation

Definition:------welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

unsafe says


There is that dirty word that many hate to see -----prosperity

HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 4991sōtēría(from4982/sṓzō, ---"to save, rescue") –salvation, i.e. God's rescue which delivers believers out of destruction and into His safety. ---------See 4982 (sōzō).


4982. sózó
Strong's Concordance
sózó: to save
Original Word:σῴζω
Part of Speech:Verb
Transliteration:sózó
Phonetic Spelling:(sode'-zo)

Short Definition:I save, heal

Definition:I save, heal, preserve, rescue.get well (2), made...well

There is the word heal -------

HELPS Word-studies
4982sṓzō(fromsōs, "safe, rescued") – properly, deliver out of danger and into safety; used principally of God rescuing believers from the penalty and power of sin –and into His provisions(safety).


unsafe says ----
The New Covenant of Jesus Christ or Grace encompasses a lot -----and it is not Preached as it should be ------- in my opinion


I leave with this scripture ----read all here if interested ---https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 7:1-13&version=CEB

Romans 7:1-13Common English Bible (CEB)
Freedom from the Law
The function of the Law
Living under the Law


Have to post this verse 6
-----But now we have been released from the Law. We have died with respect to the thing that controlled us, so that we can be slaves in the new life under the Spirit, not in the old life under the written Law.
 
The are very real and defensible reasons to not give money to people who reach out in certain circumstances. None of these reasons require God talking to you.
Exactly, this is why God gave us all brains. Relying on God to think for us and tell us what to do on a continual basis is a copout.
 
And I believe grace doesn't necessarily require an invitation. That is demonstrated by the fact that God does not bless one at the expense of another. He blesses both Jews and the gentiles. Jesus heals the "unclean"woman who touched Him and continues on to Jairus' daughter. It would seem that by stopping to speak with the "unclean" woman to find out why she touched Him had delayed Jesus from reaching Jairus' daughter while she was still alive. Instead He continued on to raise Jairus' daughter from the dead.
So Jesus heals a woman who was declared unclean through the law and then moves on to Jairus', who was a righteous and devout Jewish leader, and resurrects his daughter.
Salvation and resurrection was given to both gentile and Jew.
It's a standing invitation that's always presented to us, whether we be Jews, Gentiles, Hindus, or whatever. It's always there, and has been since the beginning, waiting for us to reach out and take it. And this is the rub: we have to make that initial move to accept it. If this were not the case then we'd be but puppets on a string, with no free will or freedom of thought. This is the fine line between grace and works. Grace is offered to us but works is accepting and acting on it.
 
Jae ---you quote ---- I feel that here you're speaking of the earthly health and wealth that you espouse. I feel it's unwise to listen to preachers who broadcast such unbiblical claims.---

unsafe says ---God's Prosperity and Health are Biblical -----open your eyes and read ----you have closed your mind to His word on these things

All I have to say to you is ---you have watched to many TV preachers and your brainwashed into thinking that Prosperity and health are all earthly -----because of what you heard from these TV preachers -----and you have no understanding of the Blessing of God and what they are to be used for ---which I find very sad coming from a person who preached God's word ----

Like it or not the Blessings are there ---just because you yourself don't want to participate in what Jesus accomplished on the Cross to be a Blessing to others which gives God the Glory and prospers His Kingdom doesn't make them disappear ---and the Blessings of God Jae are certainly not from this earth --Jesus died a terrible death to have these Blessings in place to help others and you call them evil -----to me you are slapping God in the face --the very person who died for you so you could help other and not just yourself -----you are being selfish and unrealistic and are ignorant of God's word ----

God's Blessings are not earthly and all money belongs to God and He has a purpose to prosper His Kingdom -------

Deuteronomy 8:18ESV / 399 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
You shall remember theLordyour God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

Worth Repeating -----

Deuteronomy 8:18ESV / 399 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
You shall remember theLordyour God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

Malachi 3:10ESV / 278 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says theLordof hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.

Philippians 4:19ESV / 325 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

3 John 1:2ESV / 242 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul.

Psalm 128:2ESV / 229 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you.

unsafe says
So Jae --get over your sorry self and start believing and doing the word ----or are you calling God a liar and a worldly wealth and health provider

Start meditating Jae as this scripture is telling you to do----put them to practice



Joshua 1:8ESV / 224 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Worth repeating -----

Joshua 1:8ESV / 224 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Read the rest here Jae https://www.openbible.info/topics/prosperity----
and weep ----all truth ----all a done deal ------Jesus died so all who are Born again have access to help others and prosper God's Kingdom ----

unsafe says
Get over your brainwashing --stop watching TV preachers ------and start doing the word -----
 
Exactly, this is why God gave us all brains. Relying on God to think for us and tell us what to do on a continual basis is a copout.

Unless God is the idealism of knowledge and wisdom ... I've been told Psyche and Sophia are denied access in the church ... they must be hung at the door like worms ... thus String Theory for weaving Tales and talc ... that's out there ...

Mostly metaphysical and paranormal stuff ... not "be-an" but becoming something else with excessive dynamisms! Thus dyna in the kitchen ... research "metaphysics" and "paranormal" ... something could be impressed on the incarnate organ (sol-spirit connection) ... many do not connect with IT! Leading further into dissociation standards ... and separate brotherhoods of sibling rivalry ... increasing competition?

They have difficulty separating the insanity from genius ... thus the latter is hidden ... embodied? Some get lost looking for it by introversion ... one must back off in the insane od ID, area to see IT ...
 
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