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Neo said:
I suppose we start be applying some of the golden rules when dealing people, both locally and internationally.
Which still doesn't require God. Where I am going with this is that maybe we UUs have it right. Metaphysics doesn't matter as much as having a sense of relationship and respect for each other and the world. As long as you treat others with respect and love, it really doesn't matter if that is based on faith in a religion or on an ethical philosophy or on a scientific understanding of the benefits of altruism. Let's stop abusing each other over meaningless metaphysics and start loving each other.
No, it doesn't "require" God. Rather, we start walking with nature, instead of against it. And the best way to know that we're walking against nature, is when we suffer. It's kind of a basic rule of nature.

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And for some further musings of mine, on a rainy west coast evening ...

While God could be considered the initial inspiration for one to take that first step of the walk, it's always up to us to do so or not. We may be given a vision that would be hard to resist, but the choice is still always ours whether to look upwards instead of downwards, to move forward instead of backwards, to seek spirit instead of matter.

I read once that all human beings will eventually reorientate themselves and becomes self-directed. This is when the soul appears to become "reborn of spirit", as the Christians put it. It's at this moment that an intellectual altitude is achieved and the true “silent Beholder” awakens into activity, e.g. the human being, "hitherto swept along on the urge of the evolutionary tide, and governed by desire for experience and for material possession, comes tinder the control of the divine Indweller. He emerges as the aspirant, reverses himself, and begins to work through the twelve signs of the zodiac, only now working from Aries to Pisces via Taurus (anti-clockwise), instead of working in the ordinary human retrogressive fashion, from Aries to Taurus via Pisces (clockwise)". In other words, the soul reaches a point in evolution where it turns direction and begins to traverse the zodiac in a reverse direction than has hitherto been done. It's at this point that the soul begins to tread the "path of return", e.g. it begins to work with nature and not against it. It's at this point that the soul begins to treads an evolutionary path into spirit instead of the old involutionary path into matter.
 
PF 13 said: "it is a good idea to put it out there,"

Through comparison with the paradigm one can figure hoo' soute and who'sin the Circe!

Is the circle clear or foggy, a bit spotted ... ?

Does one have to love the spots and Pixs on the page to put an effort into interpreting the dark Ness? Some past experience may be prescience ... if you can see out of the spot we humans are in ... tis not good!
 
Can extreme love (a dark place where thoughts are shadowed) be moderated to a medium desire to know something ... eve in a wee bit of ironic po' ethics? It is best to be humble when in a crowd inflicted with pure love ... they cause the future to be dark and you can see the results by going to the Musee-hmmmm! It is a place of historical layering of what can go wrong ... wars and rocks fallingon your head ... in reality! If you're nothing ... what can hurt yah? That clinches the crisis point ...

Now is a dark dancing lady, the devil ... a dream ... or just a dark premonition? Shadowy prescience! Some see Ur coming some are too deep in the presents ... gifts and ... private graces ...
 
"Interesting beliefs George." Jae

"Interesting lack of belief George." Pontifex


The whole of the prophetic tradition is rooted in the strong critique of temple economies. Reading from Samuel through to Malachi carefully will make this plain. The abuse of power by priests and politicians is a core theme in the narrative structures of the Bible.

Jesus makes the prophetic tradition concrete in his words and deeds. He begins in Nazareth by citing the prophetic hope located at the very heart of Isaiah in particular, and the OT in general. He states that the free, creative spirit of God has animated him to accomplish certain concrete deeds. This declaration of intent is validated by the question from John to Jesus. Jesus points to his concrete actions in behalf of those excluded from the social economy by diverse religious precepts and practice. Do the religious leaders of the temple not resist this? Jesus is regularly belittled for his association with the lowly, the despised and the outcast. He is considered wholly unclean from the point of view of those devoted to the temple economy in Jerusalem. When he will not bow before those religious leaders they conspire to murder him.

Following the murder of Jesus by religious and political persons in collusion, many in the land are inspired. The spirit of God is embraced and the temple religion which serves priestly and political privilege so well is renounced. Rather than silence Jesus, his murderers have loosed a tidal wave of resistance animated by the spirit of God revealed in the life and work of Jesus. Saul of Tarsus exemplifies the hostility of the temple establishment's relationship with the community of faith unified by the spirit of God. Till the day he too has his loyalty shifted from temple religion to the liberty of God revealed in his experience on the road to Damascus. In a letter to the Philippians Paul speaks of his life's previous religious convictions and commitments as dung.

Let me assure you that I do not take any of this lightly.

George
 
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If someone posts all their sermons, and they are all devoid of the gospel, light is an understatement.

The gospel is about your individual relationship with God, only available through Jesus.

Not temples, governments or economies. Meaningless, meaningless.
 
Hi...

Appreciate you pressing on.

Do you agree that it is not I who lives but Christ who lives in me? And, that this follows my death to one way of being in the world and resurrection to another way of being in the world?

George
 
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If someone posts all their sermons, and they are all devoid of the gospel, light is an understatement.

The gospel is about your individual relationship with God, only available through Jesus.

Not temples, governments or economies. Meaningless, meaningless.

The gospel is not just about the individual's relationship with God. It is rather about God's redemption of all his creation.
 
Jae .... can you abstract that? Just Imagine ...

Some say it is dark or void like 'n elle ...

I can't imagine all the imaginings I would need to imagine in order to imagine what must be imagined. God's love is unimaginable. It either exists, as I believe it does, or else we are all fools to believe.
 
I can't imagine all the imaginings I would need to imagine in order to imagine what must be imagined. God's love is unimaginable. It either exists, as I believe it does, or else we are all fools to believe.

Thus you would admit god is indefinite! This approaches the condition of indeterminate and this unimaginable to those determined ...

Confused? Tis an enigma at least ...

So you shouldn't be any Shue 'r than I!
 
Thus you would admit god is indefinite! This approaches the condition of indeterminate and this unimaginable to those determined ...

Confused? Tis an enigma at least ...

So you shouldn't be any Shue 'r than I!

God is apprehendable but not comprehensible. We can know God truly, but not fully.
 
God is apprehendable but not comprehensible. We can know God truly, but not fully.

No, god apprehends you ... you are possessed ... not the other way around ... no escaping it ... as it is eternal domain. Mortals tend to get lost there! Thus the lost sol syndrome!

Mortals don' see this easily from their subjective position ... try the objective as out-there! The other side of the vale ...
 
No, god apprehends you ... you are possessed ... not the other way around ... no escaping it ... as it is eternal domain. Mortals tend to get lost there! Thus the lost sol syndrome!

Mortals don' see this easily from their subjective position ... try the objective as out-there! The other side of the vale ...

God, being God, can comprehend me.
 
God is apprehendable but not comprehensible. We can know God truly, but not fully.

How can you know someone truly without knowing them fully? Or, more to the point, how can you know that you know them truly without knowing them fully? If you don't have the whole picture, how do you know you're not missing something important or misunderstanding something?
 
How can you know someone truly without knowing them fully? Or, more to the point, how can you know that you know them truly without knowing them fully? If you don't have the whole picture, how do you know you're not missing something important or misunderstanding something?

God has revealed his true self to us in Scripture - yet he ever remains mysterious.
 
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