What Do You See?

[Neo]

God is apprehendable but not comprehensible. We can know God truly, but not fully.

I actually get this. Trying to "fully" understand nature will likely lead to incomprehension and probably even madness. Like trying to measure the butterfly effect, it would drive even the biggest computers into overload.

But there's another way to find God, or so they say. It's the way, they say, that leads to the great Center, the Seat of the Soul, the Eye of God. The path leads to the "mount of transfiguration", where our three aspects of the personality are represented by the three disciples Peter (the rock), James and John.

The mountain is another symbol for the centre, where one comes face to face with God. In the centre, we are free from the effects of cause and effect, which themselves are a result of matter in motion. In the centre the motion appears to stop. The spinning worlds of the physical plane, the emotional and the mental plane cease to be our primary focus. We are at peace. In the centre we are free from the serpent of motion, winding it's way through time and space like a sine wave.

In the centre we perceive the Christ Consciousness, the Soul of Humanity.

 

[Luce NDs]

Sounds chaotic to me ... but some people can't even deal with words of love ... they respond with hate ... look at the isolated gae situation ...

That's man isolated from understanding ... just for a learning experience!

Then those that think, more largely, extended, one step at a time, were labelled dangerous ...

Some of us were not so staid ... an non rigid, we danced upon seeing something new, one step at a time ... as it goes ... time!

 

[airclean33]

I actually get this. Trying to "fully" understand nature will likely lead to incomprehension and probably even madness. Like trying to measure the butterfly effect, it would drive even the biggest computers into overload.

But there's another way to find God, or so they say. It's the way, they say, that leads to the great Center, the Seat of the Soul, the Eye of God. The path leads to the "mount of transfiguration", where our three aspects of the personality are represented by the three disciples Peter (the rock), James and John.

--Hi Neo--
I believe you seem to be making some mistake here. You see Christ is The Rock we build on.--
1Co 10:4and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

1Sa 2:2"There is none holy like the LORD, there is none besides thee; there is no rock like our God.

2Sa 22:2He said, "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer,

2Sa 22:3my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; thou savest me from violence.

2Sa 22:32"For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?
What you believe ,is what you believe" . But I don't think John, James, and Peter who's" other name was rock. Would agree with you. To a Christian I believe Jesus The Christ is The Rock we build on. There is none other as far as I know.

 

[Luce NDs]

To understand nature fully .. difficult for mortals ... but perhaps with patience and doing one step at a time dear λ ... an icon of light within the dark smudges ... that's the word ... a pile of eM out there on varied topics ... a spectre?

The great mystery said there would be a sign ...

What's eM? That's a large population of words and letters on the page ... supported medium, or paradigm in colloquial form?

 

[Neo]

--Hi Neo--
I believe you seem to be making some mistake here. You see Christ is The Rock we build on.--
1Co 10:4and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

1Sa 2:2"There is none holy like the LORD, there is none besides thee; there is no rock like our God.

2Sa 22:2He said, "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer,

2Sa 22:3my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; thou savest me from violence.

2Sa 22:32"For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?
What you believe ,is what you believe" . But I don't think John, James, and Peter who's" other name was rock. Would agree with you. To a Christian I believe Jesus The Christ is The Rock we build on. There is none other as far as I know.

Peter is well known as "the rock", I thought most here would've known this. The name Peter in greek is "petros", the word for stone or rock. What I'm suggestng in my post above is that the three disciples who accompianied Christ on the mount of transfiguration represent the physical (the rock), the emotional and the mental aspects of our being. It's only when we unite these three aspects of our being into one can we vision God.

 

[GeoFee]

The gospel is not just about the individual's relationship with God. It is rather about God's redemption of all his creation.

Nicely put. I do have a personal relationship with God and a personal responsibility before God. God is the living presence of light at the very heart of my personal being, as it is the light of our common human being. My task is not to convince the world about the presence of the living light at the heart of my own and their own being. My task is to walk into the light and out of the darkness. You have noticed that I speak regularly of that which helps and that which hinders.

The strong emphasis on personal salvation misses the mark by a fair measure. I am delivered from the isolation of individual existence and born into the social bonds of affection by which any lasting community is established and endures. Many who call on the name of God do so in error. They have been taught that by faithfully supporting a cathedral or temple economy they are faithfully participating in the will of God. That will has nothing to do with life on earth. Life on earth is just a temporary phase of our eternal existence. Those teaching such things are well considered wolves in sheep's clothing.

Everyday Christians pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Do they mean it? Not many. Priests and prophets well served by temple economies have no interest in working to heal and restore the living creation which is our common home. They have decided God wants it destroyed. I can hear the Corporate Commanders in the White House chuckling with glee. Nothing like the blessing of God to legitimate the exploitation and oppression of the planet and its peoples.

The God I see revealed in the story about Jesus is not the God of any temple religion. Jesus pronounces a strong denunciation of those who profit by self serving interpretations of transcendent authority. This comes into view when Stephen is stoned by the religious authorities. He is testifying to the historic faith professed by this privileged elite in the land. They simmer and then boil over. Why? He cites the relationship of David and God. David wants to build a house for God. God makes it plain. No house is needed. No professional priests and prophets are needed. Hearing this infuriates the stone clutching temple elite. They use the stones to silence what they do not want to hear.

How do we follow Jesus? We speak and act as he did. We are in the streets encountering persons with every kind of difference. Each encounter offers opportunity for us to serve the common hope of a restored human being. Some take it that I do not preach the gospel in the hearing of those who gather in community on Sunday mornings in Steinbach. These take it that there is only one legitimate script. Theirs. This wholly contradicts the very Bible they promote as the sole source of authority. The story of Jesus is not told from one perspective. It is told from four perspectives. Each with common ground and diverse expression. It is in the agreement of love that truth is revealed. The tyrannical quest for mono-culture, which this technology well facilitates, must end in failure. Bringing much harm in its wake.

God is present and active right here and now, even though most are oblivious. I understand the atheist position. It is the divided and contentious positions of theism that troubles me and our world.

George

 

[Ritafee]

I don't respect when someone tells me their God has told them the rules anyone else have to live by.

Fair enough ... and I don't respect when someone tells me their Science has told them the rules anyone else has to live by.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Peter is well known as "the rock", I thought most here would've known this.

actually no, Peter being the rock is a claim by Catholicism alone to give authority to the papacy .

Jesus speaking to Peter called him the little rock, petros or pebble and rightfully so that is what he is, But Jesus is the Petra, Rock that the Church is built on

What I'm suggestng in my post above is that the three disciples who accompianied Christ on the mount of transfiguration represent the physical (the rock), the emotional and the mental aspects of our being. It's only when we unite these three aspects of our being into one can we vision God.

you can suggest it, its just simply not true

 

[Luce NDs]

Fair enough ... and I don't respect when someone tells me their Science has told them the rules anyone else has to live by.

Science and God thus converge in de light ... aboriginal form ... flashing under the trees as shimmer, or chimera?

The response to the flash?

I's ee?

 

[Mendalla]

Peter is well known as "the rock", I thought most here would've known this. The name Peter in greek is "petros", the word for stone or rock. What I'm suggestng in my post above is that the three disciples who accompianied Christ on the mount of transfiguration represent the physical (the rock), the emotional and the mental aspects of our being. It's only when we unite these three aspects of our being into one can we vision God.

I think every Christian knows that one but no one reads it that way. I was taught that it refers to Peter's staunch faith, that Jesus recognized that such faith would be the basis of the church.

 

[Jaebius]

I think every Christian knows that one but no one reads it that way. I was taught that it refers to Peter's staunch faith, that Jesus recognized that such faith would be the basis of the church.

Protestants tend to claim that the rock is Peter's faith (some that the rock is Peter's identification of Christ). Roman Catholics claim that the rock is Peter himself.

 

[Luce NDs]

Protestants tend to claim that the rock is Peter's faith (some that the rock is Peter's identification of Christ). Roman Catholics claim that the rock is Peter himself.

Then there is that Sunday morning come down ... neigh Mrs. ... after the hubris prior on TGIF ... some are proud to do battle at the bars. Do drink at home with the Ms. that bugs yah ... it can cause consternation ... or even chaos in the sense of the elusive psyche and Y's DEM ... virtually unseen in the world of fortes and powers ... those stonewalled by far out intellectual matter?

Could be dark and betwixt the ears ...

 

[Neo]

I think every Christian knows that one but no one reads it that way. I was taught that it refers to Peter's staunch faith, that Jesus recognized that such faith would be the basis of the church.

I would definitely agree that not many think about the symbolism of the three disciples representing the three worlds of our personality, which was my main point. It was suggested only as food for thought, but I don't think many are very hungry.

 

[unsafe]

Mendalla ----your quote ----I was taught that it refers to Peter's staunch faith, that Jesus recognized that such faith would be the basis of the church.

My view ----scripture gives the right answer ----

This scripture below ---says that God the Father in Heaven revealed to Peter who Jesus was ---so Faith did not paly a part in the revelation it came directly from God ---Jesus says Jesus replied, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! ------so Peter was Blessed by God to be the one to know the answer --all the other disciples didn't know the answer ----they said Some say ----so they were going by what others had said they thought who Jesus was -----they all had Faith so if Faith was involved all should have known ----------

Matthew 16:13-20GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Peter Declares His Belief about Jesus

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They answered, “Some say you are John the Baptizer, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He asked them, “But who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God!”
17 Jesus replied, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! No human revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven revealed it to you.18 You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock[a]I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you imprison, God will imprison. And whatever you set free, God will set free.”
20 Then he strictly ordered the disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

I believe Jesus was praising Peter for knowing who He was and giving the right answer and Jesus was stating that His Church would be built on Himself truth ----and the reason I say this is because in 1 Corinthians 3:11 It clearly states that Jesus is the one and only Foundation ---the Rock which is laid for the foundation of the Church is Jesus Christ----GNT Version ----11 For God has already placed Jesus Christ as the one and only foundation, and no other foundation can be laid.

And that is why all Hell will not overpower it ----cause it is God and truth who is the foundation of Jesus church which is the way --the truth and the life -- A Believers Faith can be accessed by Satan as it was with Peter who denied Jesus 3 times ----

 

[blackbelt1961]

I would definitely agree that not many think about the symbolism of the three disciples representing the three worlds of our personality, which was my main point. It was suggested only as food for thought, but I don't think many are very hungry.

why did you leave out Moses & Elijah? & Christs Transfiguration into glory?, I believe many are hungry for the Truth

 

[GordW]

This scripture below ---says that God the Father in Heaven revealed to Peter who Jesus was ---so Faith did not paly a part in the revelation it came directly from God ---Jesus says Jesus replied, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! ------so Peter was Blessed by God to be the one to know the answer --all the other disciples didn't know the answer ----they said Some say ----so they were going by what others had said they thought who Jesus was -----they all had Faith so if Faith was involved all should have known ----------

Actually when the disciples said "Some say..." they are in fact answering the question they were asked, not just relying on what others said. Then Jesus point blank asks "Who do ?YOU say I am?" and the only response the Gospel writer records is Peter's, we don't know how/if the others would have answered the second question. That is exactly what the text you posted says.

AS the movement proceeded following Easter Peter appears to have become the leader, and so I fully expect that stories like this were remembered with that in mind and so Peter's answer became the more important one.

 

[blackbelt1961]

AS the movement proceeded following Easter Peter appears to have become the leader, and so I fully expect that stories like this were remembered with that in mind and so Peter's answer became the more important one.

yet it was Paul who had to correct Peter, sounds like a movable rock to me


Galatians 2:11-13

 

[GordW]

yet it was Paul who had to correct Peter, sounds like a movable rock to me


Galatians 2:11-13

TO be far...that is according to Paul. THough the Acts accounts suggest full well that Peter is indeed a movable rock when it came to the Jew/Gentile question.

 

[blackbelt1961]

TO be far...that is according to Paul.

no that is not fair, unless you take into account that all writers are bias as you just have with Paul , then we have nothing . Secondly the circumcision account with the Jews , them being of the law and continued with the law ,was an issue which gives credibility to Paul's account

THough the Acts accounts suggest full well that Peter is indeed a movable rock when it came to the Jew/Gentile question.

which further gives credit to the fact that a Church cannot be built on a weak foundation , and that Jesus is the unmovable Rock that the Old testament speaks about , giving further credit to Paul and also the view that peter is not the rock but was a simple power grab by the Vatican to Give peter such a title to give power and authority to the succession of its popes

 

[Mendalla]

no that is not fair, unless you take into account that all writers are bias as you just have with Paul , then we have nothing .

The key words in your post are bolded. ALL writers ARE biased. It is just a matter of finding a writer's bias and accounting for it. Even in science, while following proper scientific method and writing style should minimize bias, it can happen.