@ Unsafe ... are you aware of the geological variants of (th) edomites? God seemed to accept them and the Mother part in here pushed one ahead ... mother love as fickle? Is that the devil advocating differences in evolution? Something of sibling rivalry just to create games ... when there was nothing else to catch the interest of an old goat and an ancient sheep? Who got blamed in the end? Thus the great escape aid ... para chutes for them that descend ... when they should have said shot instead of bull shoot ... mag naïf e' cent ... or mag knees I eM? That's dolomitic lime ...
Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?
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@ Unsafe ... are you aware of the geological variants of (th) edomites? God seemed to accept them and the Mother part in here pushed one ahead ... mother love as fickle? Is that the devil advocating differences in evolution? Something of sibling rivalry just to create games ... when there was nothing else to catch the interest of an old goat and an ancient sheep? Who got blamed in the end? Thus the great escape aid ... para chutes for them that descend ... when they should have said shot instead of bull shoot ... mag naïf e' cent ... or mag knees I eM? That's dolomitic lime ...
Seems you have had quite an education in theology, were you a Christian at one time?
airclean33
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--Hi Chansen, I was going to post on another of your post but this one seems better worded to me. |Shell we see the differences between you and me. First you are male , so am I. You have a family so do I. I believe you love them as much as I Love mine. I think I am a bit older than you. So not so much differences between us so far would you say? So then the thing that make's us so different is , you have no belief in a living GOD. An atheist to me is some one who has made a choice to believe,' there is no GOD. In my walk with GOD ,I have learnt that I don't have any right to make you be a follower, as this is your choice. I on the other hand believe in GOD our Father . He is not just my Father and maker of all things , I believe He is also yours. But as much as it hurts me what you choose , you have that right . So as a father Chansen, can you relate to one of your children saying to you. I don't want anything to do with you EVER. I know if it were my kids, they would break my heart. Are we anything a like ? airclean33-Gord,
Pavlos Maros
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No never. I just love books, spent most of my time in libraries and museums as a child. Holy books are some of the most ornate and beautifully illustrated things in the world it would be a sin to not have read them. To own them is an honour.
W C Field another lover of beautiful books, and an atheist to boot, had a huge collection of holy books too. I managed to acquire several of his collection just recently.
airclean33
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The rest of you post just wasn't relevant, it's just more of you patting yourself on the back. Not interested.
Millions and millions of parents have done the same, those who believe and those that don't, those that are Christian and those that are not. So what! And everyone of their children is the nicest you'll ever meet. Even Jeffrey Darmers parents thought that. And possibly Donald Trumps.
[/QUOTE]--Hi Pavlos Maros--You have stated you read GODS Word many a times . You sound like a Perry smart guy. I was wondering it you had known that at one time , man could not understand the Egyptian petroglyphs. That is of Course Till they found what is call the touch stone. You will never understand GODS Word without GODS Holy Spirit. Because you don't seem to understand it. So I take it. you never found The Holly Spirit , or The touch stone GOD gave us to understand Him . His name is above all others. It Is The Christ Jesus .
The rest of you post just wasn't relevant, it's just more of you patting yourself on the back. Not interested.
Millions and millions of parents have done the same, those who believe and those that don't, those that are Christian and those that are not. So what! And everyone of their children is the nicest you'll ever meet. Even Jeffrey Darmers parents thought that. And possibly Donald Trumps.
[/QUOTE]--Hi Pavlos Maros--You have stated you read GODS Word many a times . You sound like a Perry smart guy. I was wondering it you had known that at one time , man could not understand the Egyptian petroglyphs. That is of Course Till they found what is call the touch stone. You will never understand GODS Word without GODS Holy Spirit. Because you don't seem to understand it. So I take it. you never found The Holly Spirit , or The touch stone GOD gave us to understand Him . His name is above all others. It Is The Christ Jesus .
Pavlos Maros
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I'm, sorry Airclean but you are conflating two things that are mutually exclusive. One is actually real and is called the Rosetta stone, not touch stone. (Were you got that snippet from I'm not sure.) It was a French man who finally decoded it in the 1820's.
The other is wishful thinking, which isn't real. Lol. By telling me I cant understand a thing without first stepping into the realm of fantasy and imagination is imbecilic in the extreme.
Well at least you're familiar with what you don't believe.
airclean33
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--Thank you for your inflow. You do understand what I was trying to explain to you , I hope.
Here is another passage I was going to post with it.
Luk 24:44Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled."
This to me shows , Men who had studied all there lives . Who could not" understand GODS word . That is with out GOD helping.
Pavlos Maros
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Airclean: The world is full of people who have studied a subject for years only to fail at the final hurdle.
Why should theology be any different. How many young man studied for the priesthood, only to never make it.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with having a belief in god or any other imaginary being.
They all thought they had a true calling for whatever subject they studied for.
Airclean: You are still telling me I cant understand a thing without first stepping into the realm of fantasy and imagination. You do realise that is imbecilic in the extreme.
Why should theology be any different. How many young man studied for the priesthood, only to never make it.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with having a belief in god or any other imaginary being.
They all thought they had a true calling for whatever subject they studied for.
Airclean: You are still telling me I cant understand a thing without first stepping into the realm of fantasy and imagination. You do realise that is imbecilic in the extreme.
Seeler
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I can easily understand someone being attracted to the Bible, especially a big, ornate, beautiful book, but you claim not only to have read 'different versions ancient and modern', but also 'in Latin, Hebrew and Greek'. It would be most unusual for someone to study three ancient languages simply to read a book he didn't believe to be special. What was your field of study?
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I believe in an interventionist God. That is to say, I believe in a God who can and does choose to act within his Creation. As to why, I guess for a number of reasons. For one, the Book I have selected as my guide to life tells me that he is interventionist. For another, I choose to believe that I have often seen him act within the lives of my family, friends and self. For yet another, I believe that I can hear an inner voice of the Spirit of God as she tells me of God's willingness to intervene for the sake of his kingdom.
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Lol. So the bible was the only book that was ever written in Latin, Hebrew, and Ancient Greek. Ok!!!!!!!!! And no I don't claim anything, I was replying to a question from Waterfall. It is up to him or anybody else who read it to decide whether they feel I'm speaking the truth. You and they have to take it on faith.Seeler said:
You have taken on a belief in a god that can’t be proven, so that is simply on faith. Yet you question my veracity.
A person who can reply back, in writing, verbally or in person if the need be. Seriously.
Ancient Greek; Because of "Works and Days" by Hesiod, the Odyssey and the Iliad, etc.Seeler said:
Latin; Because of the works of Cicero, Vergil, Ovid, and Marcus Aurelius, Livy. To name just a few. And Hebrew was mainly to see if the scriptures of the Latin KJV/OT, were actually correct. A lot of the time they were not. I mostly refer to my notes, now however. My field of study was simply general interest (what held/holds so many people in a religious state.) I'm a firm believer in the fact that it is wrong to discuss a subject, if you first haven't studied it fully.
Are we getting close to stop and think about the understanding of the paradigm ... all of common mankind as Johns to be screwed over by themselves ... Pogo was rite on, or was that from Matthew 10:36 ... flaws in the house? Black Swan Lien ...
Looking through the fissure ... can one see more coming? C'est fini ... fine fete to carry one to the NDs where something else starts due to the mystery of entropy ... where all energy collapses to ... foundational pro-toe, Gee ... an oude?
Put sum's whet into ID ... prescience of the afore going works that loupe around ... thus recycle ... undergodswhirl 'd! Ole slew foot ... dim sun & chicken's fete ... repast with E' visceral vision? Gut view on post-mortem? The findings are sacred under the privacy law that prevents Pan-IHC ... dis ease is a devilish thing ... physical, mental or emotional ... it surrounds us ... with ankh ... mostly societal, stress, imposed?
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That would leave many subjects off limits to most....including the Bible. If one studies and relies on books written by others, whatever the subject, do we not also risk being indoctrinated to any subject and formulating opinions based on facts and the subjects chosen? At one point does independent original thought/insights/intuition kick in? Or should it?
Can one be "learned" without books?
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As a former classicist with a focus on Latin myself, I second this post. I didn't learn Latin to read the church fathers, I learned it out of a love of language and literature. Virgil, Horace, Lucretius, et al. Very influential in our culture all of them and lots of wisdom there.
Are books the only things that read us and our world?