Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?

[unsafe]

Pontifex Geronimo 13 ----your quote -----One way narrow path Jesus does not ever give any indication that there is any other way.

Amen to that Brother -----

 

[GeoFee]

Or your buddy was right. Even you can recognize you are not a real Christian now. I think both Paul and Jesus are pretty clear on how they expect to be interpreted. One way narrow path Jesus does not ever give any indication that there is any other way.

Hi...

Sure are a lot of differing interpretations in play just now. Guessing you and yours have it right and all others have it wrong?

George

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

66 books that describe how to be in relationship with the creator of the universe. It's supernatural origin is irrefutable to anybody who would take the time to objectively study it.

I have had a road to Damascus type meeting with Jesus. Book of Acts type Holy Spirit encounters. Dreams, visions, signs and wonders. Healings, prophesies. Friends and family who would all bear the same witness.

So, ya, I know personally the same God who is was and always will be that is written of in the bible, who intervenes all the time and is good.

 

[Luce NDs]

Power corrupts ... especially sol as one of the funny reactions to devious hearts ...

Some don't got nun ... one or the other!

 

[unsafe]

GeoFee ----It's not about being right or wrong ----it is all about one's belief in God's word ---Jesus says He is the way ---the Truth and the Life ---and He says no one come to the Father except through Him -----you have a choice to believe it or not and you and many others choose not to believe that Jesus is the only way and that is your right -----being right or wrong has nothing to do with believing -------you either believe God's word or you don't--God says His word is Truth -----all about belief ----Being right or wrong will be reveled when we die and that is the Real Truth -----Until then it is all about Belief ---

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[chansen]

Tell me again how I'm like unsafe, AC33 and PG13.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Rapier wit?

 

[Neo]

66 books that describe how to be in relationship with the creator of the universe. It's supernatural origin is irrefutable to anybody who would take the time to objectively study it.

So everything about the Book of Deuteronomy is good with you?

I have had a road to Damascus type meeting with Jesus. Book of Acts type Holy Spirit encounters. Dreams, visions, signs and wonders. Healings, prophesies. Friends and family who would all bear the same witness.

So, ya, I know personally the same God who is was and always will be that is written of in the bible, who intervenes all the time and is good.

How humble of you.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

How humble of you.

This is what the Lord says:

“Let not the wise boast of their wisdom
or the strong boast of their strength
or the rich boast of their riches,
24 but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,”
declares the Lord.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,”
declares the Lord.

And yet he hates. Malachi 1: 2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9: 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

And he's selfish and jealous. Isaiah 42: 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[Luce NDs]

This is what the Lord says:

“Let not the wise boast of their wisdom
or the strong boast of their strength
or the rich boast of their riches,
24 but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,”
declares the Lord.

There is a difficult challenge (conflict?) for humans with free choice to deny anything ... and who picks up the ruins/Runes ... who'd advocate such business involving small bits ... chitz? Thus X Pan's I've other domains to slip into as subtle ... if word is not questioned and looked into .... is it superficial ... something else wearing a masque?

With several masques the emotion depends on the waves of masques worn ... ... them'sniggers will get to yah ...

 

[unsafe]

Just for the Record ------When God uses Hate here it is not used as Emotional hate ---it means God Chose one brother over the other to be His chosen people -----God is Love and there is no emotional hate in Agape ------

Esau is used here for the Edomites who were descendants of Esau so God is not saying here that He emotionally hates Esau ----Isaac and Rebekah had 2 sons Esau and Jacob ---God Chose Jacob as His chosen and rejected Esau showing that He Himself chooses who will be His chosen race not the works that are preformed ----God Blessed Esau so here He is showing His Love and Mercy to Esau so He did not hate Esau He simply chose one of the brothers to be His Chosen race ----just like God chose Abraham to be the Father of many Nations ----

Romans 9 clearly shows that God wanted to choose His People ------so we need to read and understand what is really happening and what the scripture is saying and the Holy Spirit provided the guidance into all truth ----we humans are not capable of understanding God's Truth on our own --


Romans 9:9-13GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
9 For example, this is what the promise said, “I will come back at the right time, and Sarah will have a son.”10 The same thing happened to Rebekah. Rebekah became pregnant by our ancestor Isaac.11 Before the children had been born or had done anything good or bad, Rebekah was told that the older child would serve the younger one. This was said to Rebekah so that God’s plan would remain a matter of his choice,12 a choice based on God’s call and not on anything people do.[a]13 The Scriptures say, “I loved Jacob, but I hated Esau.”

Esau Blessed by God Esau had all he needed -----read here ---https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+33:1-11&version=GW ----Genesis 33 GWT -----Jacob Meets Esau
verse 9 ---9 Esau said, “I have enough. Keep what you have, Brother.”

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/romans/9-13.htm ---
BUT ESAUἨσαῦēsau2269aEsau, a son of Isaacof Hebrew originEsav
I HATED."ἐμίσησαemisēsa3404to hatefrom misos (hatred)

From Strong's ------
HELPS Word-studies
3404miséō– properly, to detest (on acomparativebasis); hence,denounce; tolove someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

 

[chansen]

I'm sitting here chuckling to myself, trying to figure out how God comes out of unsafe's post any better than he did going in.

"God doesn't hate! He just plays random favourites!"

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

And yet he hates. Malachi 1: 2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9: 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

And he's selfish and jealous. Isaiah 42: 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Hi Pavlos,

Believe it or not I have read the whole bible, and while I have no problem with people calling me a literalist, there is really no such thing.

As any other believer, I have to struggle with the texts you think you can throw in my path, thinking it is a spike belt that will stop me in my tracks.

There are books worth of commentary on all of those verses, and if you had any interest in understanding, you could look those up. Instead you like to think you have thrown out a real show stopper.

Just like liberal Christians, who like to think they are more enlightened, they reject scripture they don't like, rather than struggle with it to learn what it reveals about God.

My daughter went through some really tough times as a teen and became alcoholic, didn't come home at night, we had great fear.

Through it all we had assurance from God over and over, " Don't worry, she is mine." While that was comforting, and we even heard it from a perfect stranger, that didn't mean I could stop worrying for her life.

One night, my wife woke me up and said come on we are going to look for our daughter and I thought she was nuts, because what are the chances of anybody being found on the street at 2 AM. She regularly did not come home so this was not usual.

But God told my wife to go find her, so I went out and started both vehicles, thinking spread out would be more productive.

I drove around for a while and as I was going by our house, I noticed the other vehicle home. My wife had driven right to her. She was passed out under a tree, about 1 km from our house. She would have frozen to death.

So God is as real to me as my daughter is. There is nothing you can say or do to change that.

My daughter is the most Christ like person I know. God is good.

 

[Luce NDs]

Malachi is green ... is this god considering the toasting of the earth or just the support system in heat as a mire satyr?

It is a devil of a metaphor if you ask me! From this darkened hynds of Eyore ... or maybe even a Black Beauty ... being hard to decipher as Bathsheba's intent! She was in thrall to the king rather than to the lesser struggling man: "if that's Ural?" she reached higher ... bringing a shadow of doubt with her as a dark lady.

Perhaps a myth with great depths of unknown .... just to baffle those that with BS ... are inclined to think they know all and are a'twits ND! Just realize the depth is eternal on either side ... cosmo-politan enigma ... regardless of the politic? Other allegories are even more smelly ... leaving the onus in Eyore IAhns ...

 

[chansen]

Great. Now we're going to give God credit for a parent's worrying and automobile lighting systems with beams that spread to illuminate the side of the road. Not like atheist parents don't worry or haven't gone out looking for and found their kids.

Confirmation bias. When you want some ill-defined thing to be true, you'll find it everywhere.

 

[Luce NDs]

Eyore Hans ... is US!

The hand of "god as love" can be extreme and dangerous ... now encompassing the advocate as a thin*kin demos ... that might add some balance ...

Word can be like that too ... causing some scratch to Test-la ... the head mon!

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Hi Pavlos,
Believe it or not I have read the whole bible,

So what, me too. Several times, different versions ancient and modern, in Latin, Hebrew and Greek. So bully for you. Give yourself a pat on the back.

and while I have no problem with people calling me a literalist, there is really no such thing.

I'm not calling you anything.

As any other believer, I have to struggle with the texts you think you can throw in my path, thinking it is a spike belt that will stop me in my tracks.

Nothing thrown from here. Merely pointing out that this so called loving god, has negative emotions too.

There are books worth of commentary on all of those verses, and if you had any interest in understanding, you could look those up.

Have done and found them wanting.

Instead you like to think you have thrown out a real show stopper.

No! But it appears you do as you've stated it twice.


The rest of you post just wasn't relevant, it's just more of you patting yourself on the back. Not interested.
Millions and millions of parents have done the same, those who believe and those that don't, those that are Christian and those that are not. So what! And everyone of their children is the nicest you'll ever meet. Even Jeffrey Darmers parents thought that. And possibly Donald Trumps.

 

[unsafe]

Just for the Record -----
God doesn't play favorites ---God picked Jacob over Esau because was Him Fulfilling His promise to Abraham and Isaac -----Jacob was in God's plan from the start ---

Genesis 25:19-23Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Isaac’s Family
19 This is the story of Isaac. Abraham had a son named Isaac.20 When Isaac was 40 years old, he married Rebekah. Rebekah was from Paddan Aram. She was Bethuel’s daughter and the sister of Laban the Aramean.21 Isaac’s wife could not have children. So Isaac prayed to the Lord for her. The Lord heard Isaac’s prayer, and he allowed Rebekah to become pregnant.
22 While Rebekah was pregnant, the babies inside her struggled with one another. She prayed to theLordand said, “What is happening to me?”23 The Lord said to her,
“The leaders of two nations are in your body.
Two nations will come from you,
and they will be divided.
One of them will be stronger,
and the older will serve the younger.”

Esau's Nation was the Edomites ----Jacob became Israel

 

[chansen]

It's cute that you think you're helping your case.