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By the way, Kimmio, have you never read project for the new american century? It's on the web And do you know what American exceptionalism means?
 
Sanders is on record saying he wouldn't cancel the drone program (had he been elected). Who knows if even he would've done any better than Obama when pushed by all other influences.

Graeme you think Obama was a mastermind who knew every single detail of every problem and every actor involved at all times, who ordered killing for the sake of killing? Because he enjoyed killing people willy-nilly? That was really his agenda? He was really just bloodthirsty? Really?
 
I have never said any such thing. And I don't think you can find a single sentence in which I said any such thing.
You have ignored everything I said - and made up a silly response.
 
Oh, I know what you believe. I just haven't seen any evidence.
Yes, I called him murderous. That's what you call a person who orders mass killing. Is there another word I should call such a man?
And I never said he was a one-man operation. That would be absurd. of course there were many others involved. you can't kill all those people without help.
Look at you posts.
The first (two above) says he wanted to make the world more peaceful. And there's not a word of evidence. Just "I believe".
The second ignores that he was murderous, and then says "You write as though..." - which is nonsense. i never suggested he was a one man show - and you don't give any example of it.
You believe what you want to believe.
 
He gave the impression that he wanted to tone down the wars of the Bush administration, increase disarmament efforts, reset relations with Russia. I cannot believe that all of that was a bold faced lie and his intentions were the opposite. I am more inclined to believe people took advantage of his weak spots - people in the military game a lot longer than him - and he erroneously trusted their advice and/ or was convinced that the strategies they were employing were the lesser of evils. Maybe in the bigger picture it was and we'll be able to see it more clearly later. Maybe not.

Yes, I have this fault of normally wanting find the good in people before declaring them monsters. To try to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were trying to do right, and failed.

For the record, Trump is not quite a monster per say. He hasn't had the power to be one, but he could become one. He's a greedy bigoted egomaniac - it shows outright - and his skill is in conning people, so I can't say he's not smart - he's got "wise-guy" credentials - but he doesn't have the right stuff to be the leader of the USA.
 
I believe...I believe....isn't good enough. We have to make decisions in life, and it's important to learn how to think.
YOu can't believe all he promised was a lie? Consider this. If he seriously pledged to do the things you say, he and his party would never have been given the billions it takes to win an american election. That kind of money can come only from the very wealthy - oil, war industries.....
The person getting that big money now is Hillary Clinton. Just as a bonus, she gets $5,000 a minute for speeches to groups of the wealthy. That's public information. And she refuses to release copies of her speeches or to say what's in them. That's public, too.

What is the right stuff to be president of the USA? Historically, they have tended to be aggressive, invasive, creators of dictatorships, imperial conquerors and, in many cases, corrupt.
 
Not someone with Trump's erratic personality who holds decades old grudges for people who made jokes about him - and not someone who wants to run the country like a reality TV show all for his own ego. Trump has a new game and it's even scarier than the old game.

Do you have evidence of discussions Obama had in meetings with the wealthy that prove he was lying about his intentions? Do you know who donated to his campaign? I don't. Just asking.

Obama also won because he increased the voter turn-out of young voters with social media like never before - and energized black voters to get to the polls.
 
Yes, and he has done so much to improve the situation of blacks in the U.S. Hasn't he? in fact, they are poorer than ever, and getting killed by police in high proportions as ever.

Not all of his donations are public because the U.S. makes it easy for the wealthy to contribute without putting the source or the amount on public record. We do know the costs of election campaigns, and we know they run into the billions. Common sense would tell you that - and a good deal of it is on record. You can almost certainly get some figures on the web.
And you don't raise that kind of money on contributions from unemployed blacks. The cost of american elections, and the corruption involved in fund raising has been an interntional scandal for decades - and it's been going on much longer than that. I'm astonished you would even raise the issue.
Do I have evidence of discussions he has had with the wealthy? No. Do the wealthy make such evidence available? No. So let's all assume he bought all that TV, radio, and newspaper time at elections with IOUs from Jihadists.
However, I have been active in politics. I have been on good terms with people like Pierre Trudeau. I know where the money comes from. In Canada, the Liberals and Conservatives have bagmen in each province who collect funds - with the assurance that agreeable legislation for the donors will come. The great weakness of the Greens and the NDP is they don't get any significant money from the wealthy. They have to raise it in donations like fifty dollars rather than a million.
Virtually every elected person in the U.S. is bought and paid for by the wealthy. And Hillary is rolling in the stuff, most in election payoffs, but also in a vast personal wealth. (Low estimates for her and Bill are around $200 million. That's the kind of thing you can probably check on the web,, too.)
Don't be naive.
Hillary is not going to honour all her promises for social legislation. Nor has Justin been any flash in that area. And corruption in American history has been there since 1775. For a sample - The US invaded Canada in 1812, claiming this was a second war of independence from the British. If so, why did they invade what is not Quebec and Ontario? And why did the coastal states oppose the war so much that most refused to take part? What was the real reason the U.S. invaded us?
And the civil war was NOT to free slaves. In fact, Lincoln was opposed to freeing them. So why was the war fought? And who stood to gain?
Those wars were both about money, and both about money held by the wealthy.
The middle east wars are about money, too. So are the hostilities to Russia and China. in fact, it's unusual in history to find a war that isn't about money. That includes both world wars.
 
Racist sentiment against Obama probably had something to do with any deterioration in circumstances for blacks. It's not Obama's fault that underlying racism exists.

Yes, wars often have a lot to do with money. They also have to do with tribalism fomenting. Look at the Yugoslavia war of the early 90s. Tito died and everything went to hell. And he was a dictator - but not as Stalineque as some. But the people turned on each other when he died - and brought religion and nationalism into the mix so people who were from one region or another claimed them as the same thing. Except, if you happened to be "mixed" like people I know. Croat=Catholic, Serb=Orthodox. Mixed=f'ked. They were screwed. In no-man's land with no "side". And it wasn't the US's fault. It was stupid old grievances that go back to the Ottoman Empire and every conflict since then, that people still cling to as a cultural norm.
 
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Your lists of donors are not complete. As I said, U.S. law allows for avoidance of full information on contributions. The figure for McCain sounds possible because no big donor was going to waste money on McCain. That figure for Obama is way too low to be real. Spending on this campaign has already soared way beyond that - and with months yet to go.
And don't you wonder why universities are contributing? And do you seriously believe that money from outfits like Goldman Sachs are collecting all that money from family members and employees. Please.

A real pro on this was Canada's mackenzie king. He got his start as an image-polisher for brutal and even murderous corporations.
 
yes, I am aware of Jugoslavia. Yes some wars can start with a connection with tribal loyalties - but even those loyalties commonly originate in economic quarrels. A major purpose of Quebec's Quiet REvolution was to give more power to wealthy french corporations - in which Jacques parizeau was a prominent figure.
As to Obama, I never said racism was his fault. I said he did nothing to help blacks. Some other presidents did.
 
Incidentally, you say rising racism in the U.S. was due to hatred of Obama. You provide no evidence whatever of that. In fact, it had a lot to do with police shooting blacks and generally harrassing them. it also had to do with wealthy whites firing blacks because U.S. blacks were more expensive labour than they could get out of trade treaty countries.
Obama did nothing about either of those situations. Indeed, he has been cutting food stamps, a move particularly hard on blacks because so many are unemployed or employed only at low, low wages.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Your lists of donors are not complete. As I said, U.S. law allows for avoidance of full information on contributions. The figure for McCain sounds possible because no big donor was going to waste money on McCain. That figure for Obama is way too low to be real. Spending on this campaign has already soared way beyond that - and with months yet to go.
And don't you wonder why universities are contributing? And do you seriously believe that money from outfits like Goldman Sachs are collecting all that money from family members and employees. Please.

A real pro on this was Canada's mackenzie king. He got his start as an image-polisher for brutal and even murderous corporations.
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Complete the list then. Don't accuse me of not providing any proof.
 
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