TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Graeme Decarie]

to Jae: your earlier point is an important one. Any rational thinking has to take place in a framework of values and beliefs.
Without that framework we are simply wild animals. And, I'm afraid, much of our thinking, even at the highest social levels is without values or beliefs.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Maybe because the universities are more liberal institutions that believed Obama was headed in the right direction? Especially University of California, a top donor. But you said he was making private deals with rich billionaires (no proof because it isn't published but I should just believe it) who supported an opposite agenda than his platform pitch. You are certain of this and upset that I am not. I don't think the University of California was one of those billionaire organizations paying Obama to do the opposite of his platform. And, again, they're a top donor. By the way, when I say I believe, it's not because I haven't taken any information into account, or haven't thought about it at all. Granted, i haven't thought about it as much as you...but I am more inclined to chase the trail of "how was Obama screwed to stray away from his ideals?", rather than "Obama flat out lied about his intentions."

 

[Graeme Decarie]

to kimmio - confederate republicans didn't have to start anything. They were racists long before Obama was born. And, for many years, they weren't Republicans, they were Democrats Remember - it was Republicans who freed the slaves (if unwillingly), not Democrats. That whole war is confusing. For example, very large numbers of black slaves volunteered to fight for the confederacy - and some fifty or sixty thousand did fight. Now, the South trained and equipped those black soldiers. and they fought in black units - no segregated. Obviously, the confederacy never thought those slaves would turn against it. And they never did.

The response on the poll probably doesn't mean a whole lot about anything. Studying race relations is a pretty sophisticated business - and few, if any, of those polled have that sophistication.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Kimmio. Find out what radio, TV and newspaper space costs There is no possibility an American election was fought with so little money, Then there's rentals of stadia, of equpment, the expense of spin doctors and other consultants, hordes of them. There's the cost of pricey party staffs in all states. a few million doesn't cut the butter - or even a few hundred million.
As for universities, I taught in them, and I was not dazzled by the degree of liberalism in them. Anyway, they don't work as you seem to think. Real control of universities usually is held by very wealthy businessmen who sit on the board of governors. They decide who gets the money and how much. I learned that 20 years ago when I was offered the presidency of a univeristy - and that power structure is reason why I refused it.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

to kimmio - confederate republicans didn't have to start anything. They were racists long before Obama was born. And, for many years, they weren't Republicans, they were Democrats Remember - it was Republicans who freed the slaves (if unwillingly), not Democrats. That whole war is confusing. For example, very large numbers of black slaves volunteered to fight for the confederacy - and some fifty or sixty thousand did fight. Now, the South trained and equipped those black soldiers. and they fought in black units - no segregated. Obviously, the confederacy never thought those slaves would turn against it. And they never did.

The response on the poll probably doesn't mean a whole lot about anything. Studying race relations is a pretty sophisticated business - and few, if any, of those polled have that sophistication.

No, but they don't need to have sophistication to have an opinion about whether the racial relations they experience daily are better or worse.

 

[Jaebius]

Police shootings have to do with underlying racism fomenting.

Why was he elected for a second term - why did black voters vote for him twice if he was making things worse?

Well, consider that millions of black voters will probably mark their x for Hillary. The Democrats have had a terrible effect on the lives of many black Americans, but many black Americans will probably still vote for Clinton. Donald Trump has made a bold move by reaching out to black voters and calling on every single black voter to support him.

 

[chansen]

Jae, is there a point at which even you can't distinguish your trolling from your actual opinions?

 

[Jaebius]

Jae, is there a point at which even you can't distinguish your trolling from your actual opinions?

I'm not trolling here chansen. I honestly stand by everything I have said.

1. The Democrats have had a negative effect on the lives of many black Americans.

2. Many black Americans will probably still vote for Hillary Clinton.

3. Trump made a bold move by calling on every black American to vote for him.

If you disagree with me, that's fine, but I know you can offer up something better in response than just saying I'm trolling.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Incidentally, you say rising racism in the U.S. was due to hatred of Obama. You provide no evidence whatever of that. In fact, it had a lot to do with police shooting blacks and generally harrassing them. it also had to do with wealthy whites firing blacks because U.S. blacks were more expensive labour than they could get out of trade treaty countries.
Obama did nothing about either of those situations. Indeed, he has been cutting food stamps, a move particularly hard on blacks because so many are unemployed or employed only at low, low wages.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ump_happened_racism_against_barack_obama.html

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

http://www.communityvoiceks.com/new...cle_46355130-cb82-11e5-b01e-bf870e6bc6f3.html @Graeme Decarie

http://imdiversity.com/diversity-ne...e-track-record-for-helping-african-americans/

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And you can check out who's who on the Regents board of the University of California. They may be well off. I looked up a couple of them and saw no evidence of dastardly deeds and evil agendas, however.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California

Another thing is, is that candidates often hold celebrity fundraiser dinners with Hollywood stars and other famous people attending, who pay enough for a meal to feed an entire town, which is obscene. But there is no evidence that anyone who went to one of those was there because they were funding Obama to fulfill the opposite of his platform promises.

Another thing...Obama was revolutionary in how his campaign used social media to reach and mobilize younger voters, which is much cheaper than traditional campaigning.

http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/art...a-in-the-2008-and-2012-presidential-elections

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

https://faculty-gsb.stanford.edu/aaker/pages/documents/TEBRMay-June-Obama.pdf
A more comprehensive look at his social media campaign...published by Stanford (incidentally, a top donor)

 

[Luce NDs]

Jae, is there a point at which even you can't distinguish your trolling from your actual opinions?

Is virtue an out lyre to a troll just temporarily dipping in the great sea of information ... much of it raised by narrative fallacy?

Is information, intelligence and wisdom an alien force to those going on emotions (gods) alone?

Does the smoke and smudge off an improper burn clog the sinaptic urges? Synapse! We can be so confused by alteration of words on a continuous pace ... men tall redaction? The humble may have it due to being in close proximity to the chit dealt out-there!

 

[Luce NDs]

In the case of eruption it could be a mire spark that sets the ethereal and meth-Oz off into a wake up mode ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I think this is what you're talking about Graeme. You can go through these and determine which of them were able to buy favours from Obama, or not.

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2012/11/15/priorities/

 

[chansen]

Well, consider that millions of black voters will probably mark their x for Hillary. The Democrats have had a terrible effect on the lives of many black Americans, but many black Americans will probably still vote for Clinton. Donald Trump has made a bold move by reaching out to black voters and calling on every single black voter to support him.

I'm not trolling here chansen. I honestly stand by everything I have said.

1. The Democrats have had a negative effect on the lives of many black Americans.

2. Many black Americans will probably still vote for Hillary Clinton.

3. Trump made a bold move by calling on every black American to vote for him.

If you disagree with me, that's fine, but I know you can offer up something better in response than just saying I'm trolling.

Let me explain what you do to those who don't get it yet.

You float unpopular ideas, like pro-Trump sentiments in a forum where he is almost universally despised. Take the posts below:

Well, consider that millions of black voters will probably mark their x for Hillary. The Democrats have had a terrible effect on the lives of many black Americans, but many black Americans will probably still vote for Clinton. Donald Trump has made a bold move by reaching out to black voters and calling on every single black voter to support him.

Props to Trump for going! Meanwhile, Obama played golf and... where is Hillary?

As if Trump goes for 2 minutes to survey the flooding, and that's helpful. But you choose your words carefully so that they can be construed as both an endorsement, or perhaps just a one-off comment. "Props to Trump..." is the most overt endorsement you made there, though the tone of both posts is clearly pro-Trump. You know that will set people off.

And if you are soundly refuted, you will change course on a dime.

You don't actually hold these positions, you just like to appear that you do, so as to get a reaction. You live for the reaction. The only one who benefits is Kimmio, because she lives to react. At times, you two have a symbiotic relationship that is a sight to behold. But you're still just playing people, and I think that sucks.

 

[revsdd]

I'm not trolling here chansen. I honestly stand by everything I have said.

Trolling or not - here's my response to your points.

1. The Democrats have had a negative effect on the lives of many black Americans.

In a system as fractured as the US system, where power is often shared between parties and stalemate is the frequent result, it's difficult sometimes to know who to blame for what. Certainly, it's arguable that during Obama's presidency the lives of African American's haven't improved measurably. Whether that's the fault of Obama or the fault of the Congress (which has been controlled by the Republicans for most of Obama's term) is an open question. One could argue that, at least symbolically, the election of a black president has given the black community a sense of pride or hope, and symbolism isn't nothing. I do think that the systemic discrimination against African Americans in the US is going to be difficult for either party or any president to overcome and it will take a long time. Simply electing a black president doesn't really change the system.

2. Many black Americans will probably still vote for Hillary Clinton.

Probably the vast majority according to the polls. Which perhaps suggests that the Democrats aren't perceived as so bad by the African American community. It's difficult (and some would say inappropriate) for you or I as white people (and not American) to try to get into the heads of African Americans, and somewhat paternalistic to tell African Americans what a huge mistake they've been making voting for the Democrats all these years.

3. Trump made a bold move by calling on every black American to vote for him.

No. It really wasn't "bold" to appear before an almost completely white audience in a largely white community and ask blacks to vote for him. That's called politics. "Bold" would have been to appear before the NAACP or some other African American group, make the same appeal, offer the arguments and policy proposals that he feels makes him a better choice for African Americans and then take questions. That would have been "bold." That's what he didn't do.

 

[Jaebius]

Let me explain what you do to those who don't get it yet.

You float unpopular ideas, like pro-Trump sentiments in a forum where he is almost universally despised. Take the posts below:


As if Trump goes for 2 minutes to survey the flooding, and that's helpful. But you choose your words carefully so that they can be construed as both an endorsement, or perhaps just a one-off comment. "Props to Trump..." is the most overt endorsement you made there, though the tone of both posts is clearly pro-Trump. You know that will set people off.

And if you are soundly refuted, you will change course on a dime.

You don't actually hold these positions, you just like to appear that you do, so as to get a reaction. You live for the reaction. The only one who benefits is Kimmio, because she lives to react. At times, you two have a symbiotic relationship that is a sight to behold. But you're still just playing people, and I think that sucks.

Wasn't playing people when I posted regarding Democrats and black voters. If you don't believe me when I tell you that, meh.

 

[chansen]

That's just it, you post facts, but you present them in a way to generate outrage. If it's not on purpose, then your innate personality is in need of a massive overhaul. You act exactly like an accomplished online troll.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

You do quite a bit of skilled trolling too, chansen. Like, bringing me into the discussion, baiting me for a reaction by saying I live to react - which I just did. And it wouldn't matter if I responded to a false accusation, or to a point made that I disagree with. It's all been set up as a "Kimmio reaction" so the next time I say anything, you got me. You're good.

Interestingly, I ignored jae's latest posts about Trump and Louisiana and Trump "reaching out" to blacks. It's crap.