Righteous vs Self Righteous
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Pr.Jae
this is my own meaning of what self righteous and righteous is -----this is how I personally see these 2 words -----my own words ------
meaning of self righteous -----one who is confident in that their own good moral behaviour is enough ----they rely on external forms and the loop la of Religion without regard to having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit-- it refers to the outward action of white washing ------ The Pharisees are a good example of being Self Righteous they resented what Jesus taught that all men needed to repent and they looked with contempt on sinners ----white washing on the outside while the inside is still dirty ------stinking thinking I call it ------
meaning of Righteous ----refers to the heart of the inward man ----one who is Holy in heart ----one who conforms to practicing and learning God's will for living a Holy life by and through relying on the Holy Spirit and God's Grace -----
Then Waterfall ask ----
Can you be righteous and still be a sinner?
Does it separate you from others?
I gave the KJV Dictionary meaning of a sinner -------which says this -----pretty straight forward to understand in my view -----
KJV Dictionary Definition: sinner
sinner
SIN'NER, n.----- It is used in contradistinction to saint, to denote an unregenerate person; one who has not received the pardon of his sins.
You gave your meaning below ------where did you get your meaning from ----the KJV Dictionary ??????? or somewhere else ----pleas give your source -----where did you see self righteous listed as to what your wrote ----- are you saying your right and I'm wrong in the meanings I gave -----you seem to think everything you write to be gospel and no one else can have a personal view that satisfies you -----no one is questioning your personal view on self righteous ------your opinion is your personal opinion ------- as is mine -----I gave the source for the definition of what the KJV Dictionary says is a sinner -----If you have a problem with that you will need to contact the source -----the people who wrote the definition in the KJV Dictionary -----I didn't write it ---I just quoted it ----and of course I believe the definition to be right for my view of what the word sinner means ----
This is your post ----Pr. Jae said ------ I'd also list as self-righteous, people who feel that they have such a special connection to God (or other deity) that they can go it alone when it comes to ways of the spirit. I believe we are made to be social beings who need each other's wisdom, guidance, strength, and encouragement.
You have a great day and week Pr.Jae -----
this is my own meaning of what self righteous and righteous is -----this is how I personally see these 2 words -----my own words ------
meaning of self righteous -----one who is confident in that their own good moral behaviour is enough ----they rely on external forms and the loop la of Religion without regard to having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit-- it refers to the outward action of white washing ------ The Pharisees are a good example of being Self Righteous they resented what Jesus taught that all men needed to repent and they looked with contempt on sinners ----white washing on the outside while the inside is still dirty ------stinking thinking I call it ------
meaning of Righteous ----refers to the heart of the inward man ----one who is Holy in heart ----one who conforms to practicing and learning God's will for living a Holy life by and through relying on the Holy Spirit and God's Grace -----
Then Waterfall ask ----
Can you be righteous and still be a sinner?
Does it separate you from others?
I gave the KJV Dictionary meaning of a sinner -------which says this -----pretty straight forward to understand in my view -----
KJV Dictionary Definition: sinner
sinner
SIN'NER, n.----- It is used in contradistinction to saint, to denote an unregenerate person; one who has not received the pardon of his sins.
You gave your meaning below ------where did you get your meaning from ----the KJV Dictionary ??????? or somewhere else ----pleas give your source -----where did you see self righteous listed as to what your wrote ----- are you saying your right and I'm wrong in the meanings I gave -----you seem to think everything you write to be gospel and no one else can have a personal view that satisfies you -----no one is questioning your personal view on self righteous ------your opinion is your personal opinion ------- as is mine -----I gave the source for the definition of what the KJV Dictionary says is a sinner -----If you have a problem with that you will need to contact the source -----the people who wrote the definition in the KJV Dictionary -----I didn't write it ---I just quoted it ----and of course I believe the definition to be right for my view of what the word sinner means ----
This is your post ----Pr. Jae said ------ I'd also list as self-righteous, people who feel that they have such a special connection to God (or other deity) that they can go it alone when it comes to ways of the spirit. I believe we are made to be social beings who need each other's wisdom, guidance, strength, and encouragement.
You have a great day and week Pr.Jae -----
Pavlos Maros
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The self righteous know they lord it over others, whereas the righteous lord it over others but don't think they are doing it. So not so much of a difference in my opinion. Either way they think they're legends. (in there own life time)
Legends of Tomorrow.
chansen
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This is pretty much it. If you call yourself "righteous", you're being annoyingly self-righteous.
"Righteous" is just a term to elevate the religious based on their ability to please an imaginary friend. "Self-righteous" then, is a just a way of identifying the more facepalm-worthy righteous people.
The unregenerate person goes on and on ... because of de ontological no ends ... sort of like a God thing eternal nonsense about firmly believing they know what they don't ... because of unrelenting mortality!
That's a wholly different thing when viewed from the other side of nothing ... that reciprocal point ... kind 've like the Din of an eerie coin ... one of metaphysical values?
Get out of here ... thus angst of the extensions of process ... learning goes on one step at a time ... due to resistance movements about knowing anything ... some say a religious fete ish ... a feast of fish over a fire? Jay Sous could that be underlying factors ... light en tomb 'd?
Therefore the legend goes on and on as pickled hacking ... by hack's that presume to know everything but don't?
That's a wholly different thing when viewed from the other side of nothing ... that reciprocal point ... kind 've like the Din of an eerie coin ... one of metaphysical values?
Get out of here ... thus angst of the extensions of process ... learning goes on one step at a time ... due to resistance movements about knowing anything ... some say a religious fete ish ... a feast of fish over a fire? Jay Sous could that be underlying factors ... light en tomb 'd?
Therefore the legend goes on and on as pickled hacking ... by hack's that presume to know everything but don't?
Seeler
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AAnybody that calls themself 'righteous' is being self-righteoous. Fortunately, except for a few here on WC2, I don't know anybody who calls themselves righteous. 'Righteous' is a term used by others who recognize the righteous by their deeds (ie the Jews called Shindler a 'righteous person').
Hey Waterfall, I think that Chansen has come up with a pretty accurate answer to your question. Are you happy with his answer?
BetteTheRed
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I would call Desmond Tutu a righteous man. I know he wouldn't claim that label for himself.
Rabbi Tina distinguished between the righteousness of Noah, who Godde thought worthy of saving when the rest of the world was to be destroyed (and who obediently built up, packed up and left) and the righteousness of Abraham, who when told of the imminent destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, argued with Godde on behalf of the occupants.
Rabbi Tina distinguished between the righteousness of Noah, who Godde thought worthy of saving when the rest of the world was to be destroyed (and who obediently built up, packed up and left) and the righteousness of Abraham, who when told of the imminent destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, argued with Godde on behalf of the occupants.
revsdd
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A truly "righteous" person probably wouldn't call themselves "righteous," thus drawing it to everyone's attention. As you say, that would be the epitome of self-righteousness, not righteousness.
Others may recognize a truly righteous person as righteous, sometimes posthumously.
I think it's pretty good (Chansen and Pavlos), along with the others that have contributed.
Reminds me of 1 Corinthians 4:7, " For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast, as if you did not receive it?"
But surely "good" can be obtained? What would that look like?
That is assuming God is always outside of us, rather than within, isn't it? I think God is pleased when we aim for goodness and it becomes part of who we are to the best of our ability. Remaining humble is the hard part I assume.
revsdd
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Oskar Schindler was declared "Righteous Among The Nations" (ie, a "righteous Gentile") by the State of Israel in 1962 for his role in saving Jews from the Holocaust. Although a nominal Roman Catholic, he wasn't particularly observant as far as I know. As I understand it, he's the only former member of the Nazi Party given permission by the State of Israel to be buried in Israel. So it isn't only a term reserved for the religious, or for what they do for God (or, as chansen said, an "imaginary friend.") Sometimes it's reserved for those who serve humanity in an especially noteworthy way - noting, of course, that Jesus said that "whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me."
blackbelt1961
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righteousness is a position of the heart
John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.
I believe Oskar Schindler and others who give there hearts for the lives of others especially under tough life threatening conditions are great examples,
self-righteous people only care about boasting there image and egos , Donald Trump comes to mind, i believe they are one of the most dangerous kind of characters, right fighters who believe they are 100% right and shut there ears and heart out except only to themselves, tyranny of the self-righteous .
self-righteous born again people in power just as dangerous, caliphate state
John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.
I believe Oskar Schindler and others who give there hearts for the lives of others especially under tough life threatening conditions are great examples,
self-righteous people only care about boasting there image and egos , Donald Trump comes to mind, i believe they are one of the most dangerous kind of characters, right fighters who believe they are 100% right and shut there ears and heart out except only to themselves, tyranny of the self-righteous .
self-righteous born again people in power just as dangerous, caliphate state
Mendalla
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I like this and I think it is exactly what Jesus had in mind. It's not something that comes from God, but is about how we live and relate. "God", if we believe in one, is just sanctioning it. If we are truly righteous, we recognize our flaws, which adds the note of humility needed to avoid self-righteousness.
Yep. Trump and Islamic State are two of the best examples going, albeit extreme ones. There was definitely some self-righteousness going down here in London over the mayor's extra-marital activities that was much less extreme, but still self-righteous.
blackbelt1961
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I am not too sure if its something that comes from God, but I do believe it is something that God helps nurture and develop
Mendalla
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chansen
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God is within us, in that God is whatever we want God to be. Just look at the number of different views of God on this forum alone - and they are all supposed to be based on Christianity. We clearly make it up as we go, and then pick the parts of the bible that justify what we want to believe. We can look at specific verses, or we can look at the body of work and summarize it to our liking. Either way, it's us playing God, then being all happy with ourselves or others when they agree with us.
The thing is, some of the most violent and evil positions derived from the bible have been described as "righteous". It has rendered the term into a punchline instead of a compliment.
The thing is, some of the most violent and evil positions derived from the bible have been described as "righteous". It has rendered the term into a punchline instead of a compliment.
BetteTheRed
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Who doesn't make it up as they go along? I thought that was the nature of humanity - to question, to try new answers out, to see what "fits your model" of the moment?
I think I've learned enough discernment to be able to identify the "big righteous", like Desmond Tutu. Trying to find the diamonds in the lesser stuff is harder.
I think I've learned enough discernment to be able to identify the "big righteous", like Desmond Tutu. Trying to find the diamonds in the lesser stuff is harder.
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If it feels good and is akin to an addiction then it is self righeousness (see here
http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.html ) which includes such diverse behaviours as priveliege shaming, hatred of humanity and corporations driving the modern eco movement, the social media campaign that resulted in that dentist who shot that lion to lose his buisiness...
If you do it because it is the right thing to do...then it is righteous