Muslims & Christians: Same God?
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paradox3
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Wow! This is such a judgemental comment.
GeoFee
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There is substantial advantage to temple economies where constituents are rendered dependant on experts. We will think and pray as you go out to work and pay puts it in a nutshell.
Socrates and Jesus are in agreement in many ways.
Each makes clear that personal decision brings personal consequence. We are not called to believe as much as we are called to follow as the expression of our belief/trust/faith.
George
Socrates and Jesus are in agreement in many ways.
Each makes clear that personal decision brings personal consequence. We are not called to believe as much as we are called to follow as the expression of our belief/trust/faith.
George
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And that sums up the difference between the 'grace by works' & 'grace by faith' peeps :3
Pavlos Maros
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And Hitler was one of those Christians.
Also the majority of Russian Christians went underground, whilst Stalinist communism was around, and when Russia gave up communism the Christians became prominent once again. Like they had never left (which they hadn't (They just lied everyday, about who they were.))
And... how many people did the atheist Stalin see killed?
BetteTheRed
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Jae, you, as well as others, seem to be conflating religiosity with morality. I don't generally see a link.
GeoFee
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Hi Jae,
Why do you suppose so many Christians hide their light under a basket when there is such darkness in the world? Ought we not speak and act in resistance to the powers and principalities by which creature and creation are spoiled for profit and power? In this way announcing the end of one way of being and the emergence of another?
George
Why do you suppose so many Christians hide their light under a basket when there is such darkness in the world? Ought we not speak and act in resistance to the powers and principalities by which creature and creation are spoiled for profit and power? In this way announcing the end of one way of being and the emergence of another?
George
It would be wrong to suggest that all atheists are little Stalins, right. So is implying that all Christians are little Hitlers.
For one thing George, Christian leaders have largely failed to train and equip the laity to oppose the powers in the marketplaces of the world.
blackbelt1961
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I wouldn't put the blame on Christian leaders alone, we all share share in it, I suspect fear has alot to do with it
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Pavlos Maros
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According to the internet Stalin had 34 to 49 million killed. But sadly that is what despots do. Whether they are religious or not.
Pol pot (Theravada Buddhist) had 1.5 miillion killed.
Idi Amin had 500.000.
Saddam Hussein (Sunni Muslim) another 500 to 600.000, Hitlers (Christian) was Saddam's idol and Hitler killed around 600.000.
You could have researched that yourself Jae, why did you ask me. Oh and you called Stalin an Atheist which he was, but all atheist means is to lack belief in a god. It in no way had any bearing on him being a despot. As atheism is not an ideology. Whereas Communism was and is. And incidently Communism was born of the bible.
BetteTheRed
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It's interesting that we focus on these mass murders, and never talk much about how many 'systems' merely kill by neglect. There are American senators who voted against extending Medicare in their states after the advent of Obamacare. How many people did that kill prematurely? Dying of a preventable, treatable, curable disease is just as dead as by any other means.
Mrs.Anteater
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Honestly, George, which one will be a doer and which one will be a quiet believer will not show until each one of us gets into that situation. And it never was a majority and likely never will be. I would call it courage and integrity that makes people of any or no faith step out of line. I don't think it matters which belief system people follow.
Pavlos Maros
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Isn't the number bad enough whether it 6, 7, 8 or 9 million, he was a mass murdering Despot nutjob. The point was Despots are evil bast**ds, It doesn't matter what colour or creed, what religion they are or are not, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Warlords in Myanmar, Africa, South America, are all evil despots and kill with impunity. Kim Jong Il is another.
BetteTheRed
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Is there any way short of putting people in awful situations to a) predict what percentage will self-givingly work towards the good and b) figure out what a system can do to improve that percentage (i.e. greater conformity to a compassionate model).