Muslims & Christians: Same God?

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(This past Wednesday, I was to have facilitated a book presentation in seminary on the book "Allah: A Christian Response" by Miroslav Volf. However, due to a health concern, I was unable to attend the class I was to present it in. Since I'd prepared notes anyway, I thought I might open a dialogue here on the issue at hand. I'll begin with Volf's question which I was planning on opening the class discussion with...)

Volf writes, "…for Christians the question is this: Is the God whose final self-expression is found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ the same God as the God of the Qur’an?” – Location 594 of the Kindle edition.
 
One is a wandering rogue to western authorities (that should be put down as elevated thought) the other is Just known as Allah or perhaps Allez ... as chi goes ... one free woe man ...

Of course many patriarchal sorts will disagree over what can nail a man down at home ... weird sects as aesthetic Gap?

Some men will worship ID even though they are directed to keep heart and mind open to flaws ... in the trap ... del oupe!
 
Pr. Jae said:
(This past Wednesday, I was to have facilitated a book presentation in seminary on the book "Allah: A Christian Response" by Miroslav Volf. However, due to a health concern, I was unable to attend the class I was to present it in. Since I'd prepared notes anyway, I thought I might open a dialogue here on the issue at hand. I'll begin with Volf's question which I was planning on opening the class discussion with...)

Volf writes, "…for Christians the question is this: Is the God whose final self-expression is found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ the same God as the God of the Qur’an?” – Location 594 of the Kindle edition.
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--No I believe they do not . The Muslim belief dose not believe The man Jesus , was the son of God. In fact they believe he Jesus will come back and kill all Christian's, who will not bow to there God.
 
You can see the trend in the schism-ist ... thus that Dog's explicit schis-eM ... and it too wondered off ...
 
IF you are truly monotheist then there is one GOd. THe understandings of who GOd is and how God acts vary incredibly between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (and even within those traditions)
 
GordW said:
IF you are truly monotheist then there is one GOd. THe understandings of who GOd is and how God acts vary incredibly between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (and even within those traditions)
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Is that an integral comment about everything coming together ... like a Moonie Wedding Process but without sects?
 
Pr. Jae said:
(This past Wednesday, I was to have facilitated a book presentation in seminary on the book "Allah: A Christian Response" by Miroslav Volf. However, due to a health concern, I was unable to attend the class I was to present it in. Since I'd prepared notes anyway, I thought I might open a dialogue here on the issue at hand. I'll begin with Volf's question which I was planning on opening the class discussion with...)

Volf writes, "…for Christians the question is this: Is the God whose final self-expression is found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ the same God as the God of the Qur’an?” – Location 594 of the Kindle edition.
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though there desires is to serve the One God of Creation, I do not believe that they Know the Father of Jesus,
 
All human beings live in the same reality
We all are subject to the same natural laws (gravity, fine structure constant, etc)
There are certain human universals (we all need to eat, sleep, drink, things like funeral rites, personal names, trade, etc)

We all exist not as causeless causes but in relationship to -- g_d being 'human beings acting in harmony with each other and reality' (it is in this sense that both Theists & Atheists can be said to believe in the same Deity -- tho, of course, there will continue to be Theists who want the 'special sauce' and want to divide...but then, we ALL ARE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES...you just gotta pay attention)

That written, there will be believers who will still try to divide, to break up the common human experience, to hold humanity back...

That books title should more accurately be "Allah: One Christian's Response" (seeing as its impossible for one person to speak for an entire fan club...)?

Truly, "Christians: Same g_d?" The answer is: it depends on who one asks.

There is more evidence for Mohammad existing than Jesus -- the NT writings around Jesus are far different than the writings of Mohammad -- they produce different effects (as seen in our culture). Thank goodness people are very adept at cherry-picking what they want to follow and what they don't want to (cf. Mohammad), though that is problematic (cf. Moist Robot hypothesis, herd mentality, the various cognitive biases, our love of status & our hierarchical nature...)

The believer has to ask themselves of what importance is it that anyone else's g_d or deity be the same as theirs? What does it accomplish, aside from being a potentially fun exercise (exercising the brain and the imagination)?

Never let others stoop you from investigating what you want :3
 
So if there is only one God for Islam and Judaism, then they should follow the one Word of God ---The Bible which says it is the inspired word of God for those who believe in -monotheism-----no need for a Quran or other books which says there is the one God but doesn't believe in what God says and makes up their own mind of who God is or isn't ----One God ---One Bible ----One belief ----no need for different followings or books ----one following ----The Way Of Christ and His Word ------do away with all else ------
 
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So if there is only one God for Islam and Judaism, then they should follow the one Word of God ---The Bible which says it is the inspired word of God for those who believe in -monotheism-----no need for a Quran or other books which says there is the one God but doesn't believe in what God says and makes up their own mind of who God is or isn't ----One God ---One Bible ----One belief ----no need for different followings or books ----one following ----The Way Of Christ and His Word ------do away with all else ------
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i think they should do away with all those books that were written by human beings and let the HS show people the Word of g_d...that way, there would be no room for error...the TRUE inerrant word of g_d...

so, who's up for a book burning?

Kickstarter, anyone?
 
unsafe said:
So if there is only one God for Islam and Judaism, then they should follow the one Word of God ---The Bible which says it is the inspired word of God for those who believe in -monotheism-----no need for a Quran or other books which says there is the one God but doesn't believe in what God says and makes up their own mind of who God is or isn't ----One God ---One Bible ----One belief ----no need for different followings or books ----one following ----The Way Of Christ and His Word ------do away with all else ------
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Omah God here we go off there again instead of travelling inward ...
 
Inannawhimsey said:
i think they should do away with all those books that were written by human beings and let the HS show people the Word of g_d...that way, there would be no room for error...the TRUE inerrant word of g_d...

so, who's up for a book burning?

Kickstarter, anyone?
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Burnham, Burnham ... an aboriginal lead in to the walkabout with a fire under your donkey? OH ... did that happen before?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Volf writes, "…for Christians the question is this: Is the God whose final self-expression is found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ the same God as the God of the Qur’an?” – Location 594 of the Kindle edition.
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For the most part I am a fan of Volf. I do not share his universalist bent though I greatly admire his articulation around reconciliation, memory and forgiveness.

At present I hesitate to affirm Volf's statement. I simply do not know enough about Islam to say, with any confidence that the God articulated, primarily in the Greek Scriptures of the New Testament, is or isn't the same as the God articulated in the Qur'an. At the same time I am mindful that there are not many observant Jews who would say that the God articulated in the Greek Scriptures of the New Testament is the same as the God articulated in the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament.

It stands to reason, I believe, that if the God of Judaism and the God of Christianity are the same God then the God of Judaism would be the same as the God of Islam.

One would think that if it actually is the same God at play there would be better relations between all of these children of God.

Historically we have seen great periods of peace between these three Monotheistic traditions so current tensions are probably not the most informative with respect to how all of us actually have gotten along.

For the Christian world the notion of Jesus as God the Son is still very much a big deal. It doesn't fly in Judaism nor does it appear to smell good to Islam.

At any rate I have instruction as to how I should treat the stranger at my door and that instruction appears to slip unnoticed by many of my Christian brothers and sisters. I expect the same is true in Judaism and Islam. Maybe one day we will all get on the same page and affirm that we are looking at the same thing. I expect Jesus to be a significant stumbling block enroute.
 
Before answering the question, we need to define "the same," especially in view of the many differences (e.g. love for enemies, etc.). The ambiguity of the expression "the same" generally tranforms the programmed answers into a recipe for tolerance or discrimination.
 
Simply put, the issue is not that Islam and Christianity (and Judaism) worship different gods, but rather that there is a difference of opinion on the nature of divine revelation.
 
Speaking a difference of divine revelation, have you ever heard a more miraculous conversion testimony than this devout Muslim's faith journey from Islam to a Christian faith?

 
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