Women speak in Bible

[Luce NDs]

God directed some men to teach their women through compaction ... an oppressive form of oppression ... some just label it red action ... bloody awesome!

 

[blackbelt1961]

For me, the more important question to ask is:

How many words of the bible were written by women?

Answer: 0

anyhow below is 5 prophetesses from the Old Testament & 5 from the New Testament

OT

1. Miriam (Exodus 15:20-21)
2. Deborah (Judges 4:4)
3. Huldah (2 Kings 22:14)
4. Noadiah (Nehemiah 6:14)
5. Isaiah’s wife (Isaiah 8:3)

NT

1. Anna (Luke 2:36)
2. Philip’s four daughters (Acts 21:8-9)

Although not called prophetesses, both Mary mother of Jesus (Luke 2:46-55) and Elizabeth mother of John Baptist (Luke 2:41-45) both made prophecies.

 

[Luce NDs]

Can we take a stroll beyond THE book ? Perhaps that'd be the eternal wonderer ... questioning the aDvocate ... a devil of a thing accompanying everything but unseen to those limited in vision ... regarding the infinite! Kinda make you wonder about an infinite love without clues ///

Gotta be a'moor tuit!

 

[Luce NDs]

Women can see what's coming ... the beauty in how they present themselves ... strikes men dumb ... Adonis or Davidian suicide ... a love to deis-4?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Why, in the course of divinely inspiring a religion, could God not have divinely inspired his people to educate their girls and treat them as more than just breeders?

We now know that the key to raising families out of poverty is to empower the girls. What groups like "Because I Am A Girl" can't say out loud, is that a lot of their work is changing attitudes that are based in religion.

Even in this thread, we see men telling women that the claim that God created them should be enough. It's not tone deafness, but gender deafness. If you can't hear the condescension in that, then I doubt you ever will.

It is to the credit of women that most religions have been invented by men. It is to the credit of men that they are leaving religion faster than women.

Here's a bit from Wikipedia about the general history of women's education around the world. It looks like Hindu women in India were likey educated thousands of years before the rest of the world educated women..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_education

 

[Luce NDs]

Thus the concept of the sub continent ... a subtle sign to those that would rather ignore the need for encasement of the Jackscrew ... an environmental nut as defined in Mrs Hype Squirreling ...

Such tightens the alchemii --- Einstein ... close to a Klein Bottling ... a kin heifer or always an awkward entity in the relating ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Careful or the snakehead lady will swallow the OI-lye thing as Greek ! A slick IDe -a ...

 

[Delightful Life]

magdalene: teach them how to yearn, teach them how to learn...

 

[Oui]

If it was God's sovereign will to bring about his divinely inspired Scripture using only male human authors, would that be okay with you?

Then I think God would not be reaching out to women at all, and losing half the humans on the planet.

 

[Jaebius]

Then I think God would not be reaching out to women at all, and losing half the humans on the planet.

Perhaps the all-powerful God chose to reach out to women by way of male authors, in much the same way as he now reaches out to female congregants by way of male pastors.

 

[Oui]

anyhow below is 5 prophetesses from the Old Testament & 5 from the New Testament

OT
Miriam (Exodus 15:20-21)

1. Deborah (Judges 4:4)
2. Huldah (2 Kings 22:14)
3. Noadiah (Nehemiah 6:14)
4. Isaiah’s wife (Isaiah 8:3)

NT

1. Anna (Luke 2:36)
2. Philip’s four daughters (Acts 21:8-9)

Although not called prophetesses, both Mary mother of Jesus (Luke 2:46-55) and Elizabeth mother of John Baptist (Luke 2:41-45) both made prophecies.

You are completely missing the point here. The actual words of the actual texts were written by actual men, from a male point of view, from a male perspective, to appeal to a literate male audience.

Perhaps you haven't noticed at some point in your life that men and women think completely differently about a lot various subjects? For example, do men & women think of/experience sex exactly alike?

I think spiritual "truth" mediated exclusively through men can only be half true. How do you know that women don't experience spirituality in a different way? The bible has no answers for that, because it was created by men only.

 

[Oui]

Perhaps the all-powerful God chose to reach out to women by way of male authors, in much the same way as he now reaches out to female congregants by way of male pastors.

"Religious sexism and discrimination. Do you really believe women are incapable of religous authority? This ritualized silencing of women is practiced by practically all major religions which, with minor exceptions, bar girls and women from ministerial leadership. That means access to the divine is mediated exclusively by men and their speech. This is legally unchallenged discrimination and its effects go way beyond places and practices of worship. From the moment a girl realizes that she is not invited to participate in clerical rituals because she is a girl, she learns that her voice is powerless and not respected. So do the boys around her." - Soraya Chemaly, Huffington Post

 

[blackbelt1961]

You are completely missing the point here. The actual words of the actual texts were written by actual men, from a male point of view, from a male perspective, to appeal to a literate male audience.

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion since these men felt it important to include women prophets who hear from God aswell

Perhaps you haven't noticed at some point in your life that men and women think completely differently about a lot various subjects? For example, do men & women think of/experience sex exactly alike?

but we are not talking here about the human condition, we are talking about the Devine inspiration of a Creator

I think spiritual "truth" mediated exclusively through men can only be half true.

Spiritual truth was not mediated by men , Spiritual truth was taught and showen by Jesus , though you can deny his Divinity, you cant deny His Historicity

How do you know that women don't experience spirituality in a different way? The bible has no answers for that, because it was created by men only.

why only woman? do not men also experience spirituality differently? they most certainly do , I can name quite a few for you, the question is not is one spiritual regardless of gender , but the question is, is my spiritual experience of the Creator or is my experience of something else?

 

[Jaebius]

"Religious sexism and discrimination. Do you really believe women are incapable of religous authority? This ritualized silencing of women is practiced by practically all major religions which, with minor exceptions, bar girls and women from ministerial leadership. That means access to the divine is mediated exclusively by men and their speech. This is legally unchallenged discrimination and its effects go way beyond places and practices of worship. From the moment a girl realizes that she is not invited to participate in clerical rituals because she is a girl, she learns that her voice is powerless and not respected. So do the boys around her." - Soraya Chemaly, Huffington Post

(An interesting piece of writing. Of course there are women who are fully capable of being religious leaders.)

 

[blackbelt1961]

"Religious sexism and discrimination. Do you really believe women are incapable of religous authority? This ritualized silencing of women is practiced by practically all major religions which, with minor exceptions, bar girls and women from ministerial leadership. That means access to the divine is mediated exclusively by men and their speech. This is legally unchallenged discrimination and its effects go way beyond places and practices of worship. From the moment a girl realizes that she is not invited to participate in clerical rituals because she is a girl, she learns that her voice is powerless and not respected. So do the boys around her." - Soraya Chemaly, Huffington Post

completely baseless, some of the Greatest God Filled Ministers I know are woman, and i have sat in may of there services, my all time fave is Jan Aldridge

http://janaldridge.org/

 

[Luce NDs]

Consider this in ancient Gael linguistics ... that which is put in de tome (toem?) as a book is considered ephemeral genre ... and thus the entire tale of mankind is carries ... or in the whole w-ominous?

Always be careful of what is left behind ... could lead to apocalypse ... or the great awakening after you've lost it in numb sects ... a stunning situation creating numb-I-nous copies!

As Harold Bloom said mankind doesn't know when enough is enough as the market place bursts ... busts? So it seams ... giving a place for strains ... when man thought he had it all souse dup! One last melancholy Sumer Whine ... like a squeak resilient in the rheid ...

 

[Waterfall]

I agree with some of what you're saying Oui. If God is wisdom, I think everyone can agree that wisdom is not exclusive to one gender. It is our minds that are to be renewed and opened. So if God plunks Himself in a patriarchal society, what gender is he going to use so that ALL minds will hear this wisdom? It's the words we are to hear, but yes, unfortunately "authority/truth" can be wrongly interpreted by learning only from what we see instead of what we hear and reason.

 

[Waterfall]

To my knowledge, there has not been any conclusive evidence or accepted scholarship to suggest that any women contributed to writing the canonical bible. Research also indicates that 2000-3000 years ago when the scriptures were written, a very small percentage of people were literate, and of those even fewer would be female.

Near Eastern archaeologist & professor William Dever puts it this way:
"Women were, in the words of the distinguished ethnographer Clifford Geertz, "the people without a history" - that is, without a written account that survives. Women have not left us their Bible. They, together with other disenfranchised and marginalized groups in ancient Israel, have become "invisible" - except in the archaeological record, where there has been no one to edit them out."

And how does the archeological world represent God as the wind? or fire? because God has been known to show up in these forms too. A hen, not an eagle? Birthing a nation?
What gender is the Holy Spirit?

I think there are examples that God is not defined by patriarchy, but yes, probably not enough focus has been placed on this.

 

[Luce NDs]

Besides if Gods children were men ... obviously they'd take an awful ribbing from the women when loosing all sense of logic when encountering the opposing sects in the rye!

Then there is that hint in Exodus 20:19 ... and those receiving the ribbing (surroundings) didn't wish to know no how ... and thus they lost IT ... sometimes referred to as I Q ... Ur who has clues like Na Omi ... the ominous old salt referred to in Lots bunch ... Baba, Anna, or just the all powerful lesser one Nanna ... the underlying power that knows ho to put peace in de hoes ...

 

[Oui]

I fail to see how you come to that conclusion since these men felt it important to include women prophets who hear from God as well

Its not a conclusion its fact. The men who wrote the texts were speaking for/about the women. The women did not write it themselves, so it doesn't come from a truly authentic voice. The prophetess may have experienced it entirely differently, we'll never know because her version was never preserved.

but we are not talking here about the human condition, we are talking about the Devine inspiration of a Creator

So, you think spiritual experience is not a human condition? As humans, when one is fortunate enough to have a divine spiritual experience, one thinks about it, perhaps meditates on it, and of course interprets it. I don't believe the biblical authors were simply taking dictation from above. The human factor in the scriptures is all too evident.

Spiritual truth was not mediated by men , Spiritual truth was taught and showen by Jesus , though you can deny his Divinity, you cant deny His Historicity

Your denial cannot change the well documented history of exclusive male control of the scriptures, doctrine and teaching.

why only woman? do not men also experience spirituality differently? they most certainly do , I can name quite a few for you, the question is not is one spiritual regardless of gender , but the question is, is my spiritual experience of the Creator or is my experience of something else?

So can't women have "true" spiritual experiences of the Creator? Surely there had to be at least one female religious scholar in the last 3000 years. Or was it because Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been 100% dominated by men, and the familiar male spiritual experience recorded exclusively by men in scripture felt threatened by the unfamiliar female spiritual experience.

Again, surely the Creator of the Universe could find a way to include women somewhere in the process. That didn't happen, which I think pointedly marks the scriptures as man made-up.