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Astronomers are wrestling with the data from the James Web Telescope. Several theories are facing revisions. Some of what I have seen makes the universe even weirder than it looked before.
Which is what I love about science. When a scientist says, "this raises as many questions as it answers" I get all tingly. :giggle:

I think part of my problem with organized religion is that it is simply too sure of its answers sometimes.
 
Which is what I love about science. When a scientist says, "this raises as many questions as it answers" I get all tingly. :giggle:

I think part of my problem with organized religion is that it is simply too sure of its answers sometimes.

Never be sure of anything even God as word can rest on a page ... buoyed? Float Erst ...
 
"Weird to us because we are looking at it through human brains" .... thus said is that not a place of abstract and dark essence?

Let us just say to the pious it is unreal!

Imagine all the wrote ... that's placed there as writ ... shamed out of reality ... Shaman goes on ...

Very little tolerance in hard places ... stonewalling! Inhibition for a portion ... the other is rogue as Jolly ... Roger and over!
 
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The Mary Maguire testimony video you asked about is on post #18 here. Sorry for the delay. After initial failure, what she does to acquire effective faith for her MS healing is both intriguing and highly instructive.
 
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The Mary Maguire testimony video you asked about is on post #18 here. Sorry for the delay. After initial failure, what she does to acquire effective faith for her MS healing is both intriguing and highly instructive.
Okay I'll take a look. But you know that MS is often relapsing and remitting, right? That is the nature of the disease.

There is also Clinically Isolated Syndrome. It is an MS diagnosis but the initial episode is never followed by another.
 
Okay I'll take a look. But you know that MS is often relapsing and remitting, right? That is the nature of the disease.

There is also Clinically Isolated Syndrome. It is an MS diagnosis but the initial episode is never followed by another.
Okay, but as you'll see from the video, Mary Maguire's healing miracle happened many years ago and reamained permanent.

You are aware of the tradition that connects Mark with Peter, but perhaps not the details. Papias bishop of Hierapolis (c. 60-130 AD) sought out the confirmatory evidence of "the living voice," i. e. , disciples of Jesus who were still alive and traveling around when Papias was bishop.
He learns from "John the Elder" (Jesus' disciple, but not 1 of the 12) that Mark was Peter's interpreter in Rome and wrote down Peter's reminiscences in his Gospel after Peter's death. Apparently, Mark was criticized for getting the order of some of the events wrong. But Papias defends Mark on the grounds that Mark was using Peter's catechetical notes, which were motivated by practical application, not to provide the precise sequence of Jesus' biography.
Mark was written at Rome and Justin Martyr of Rome refers to Mark as "Peter's Memoirs." Peter himself writes from Rome, noting that "his son Mark is with him (1 Peter 5:13).

Now for the "something more" about connections with eyewitness testimony that you requested: In the 50s AD Paul provides the earliest list of Jesus' resurrection appearances in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8);

"He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. Then He appeared to more than 500 brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then He appeared to James (Jesus' brother), then to all the apostles."

The women who saw Jesus at the tomb are excluded from this list because the patriarchal culture of the time would not credit their witness.
This exclusion is not Paul' fault; he celebrates the ministry of the female apostle Junia (Romans 16:7), who is no doubt 1 of the 500+ Resurrection witnesses.
Paul uses the standard Jewish tradition transmission formula: "For I handed on to you... what I in turn had received."
Where did Paul receive this list? Well, this list is part of his Gospel and he reluctantly admits that he had to make 2 trips to Jerusalem in his early years to get his Gospel checked out and approved by the apostles (Galatians 1:18-19; 2:1-10). Among others, the apostles who examined his Gospel were Cephas (= Peter), the Zebedee brothers, James and John, and Jesus' brother James (1:19; 2:9-10).
 
"The patriarchal culture of the time would not credit their witness."

I find the dogmatism of science so frustrating. Science purports to speak for objective analysis and yet they deny witness evidence. Experiential witness evidence is, to me, absolutely fundamental to an understanding of the paranormal phenomenon.

Courts interview witnesses and weigh evidence up to make an assessment about whether or not something can be believed. Science is quite disdainful of witness evidence. I am struck by the idea that at the heart of the problem with beginning to understand the phenomenon the only real data (in most cases) comes from people who are claiming to have had an experience. If somebody says that they have had an encounter with a non-human intelligence I do not dismiss it out of hand.

I see not being a scientist as an advantage for myself. If I were a scientist I'd be looking down a straw at my particular branch of science and would be saying "no no no what they are talking about is impossible so I should ignore it" (in favor of the dogmatism of science). That seems too shortsighted to me. Fortunately I have no religious dogmas to contend with either. Just me and the still small voice within reminding me that with God (for lack of a better word for whatever consciousness is) all things are possible.

We are a technological species now and, if we don't destroy ourselves first, we are going into space. Could UFOs be the reflection of symbiosis between spirit and science? I think we might be approaching that point where technology looks back into the spiritual underpinnings of existence and provides evidence for it. We may even be living in a time where scientific evidence for spiritual underpinnings will become the consensus.
 
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When considering science and ante science ... it appears there is opposition in either extreme as a hard point to get over ... thus the medium takes flight ... used to be called ephemerae, fey, or flighty as it could get around both sides of the formulation! These may take to the night Ares as de blinding light does things to de unbeliever on de horizon ... like a fringe event! Poorly augured ... right? No innate passage ... just endogenously lodged for de time ...

Aside! the Ððđ 's are varied form of d' ethe in Latin ... as I once pointed out to the progressive friend of John Spong ... it was ignored as not on the bureaucratic agenda ... that cannot see the growth of the alpha Bet in various times and places ... thus the offspring of scattered tongues is ignored like urchins in the streets ... as parallels ... matted metaphors! Lord! what would we label an unmovable mule? Stony and bul lesh in he's cups? Call it word drift ... caused by great winds ... Hot Ares? Similar to kerygma ... fiery tongues ... retain safe distances! It is writ ...

To escape the containment sometimes a train wreck is posed ... and all goes off what's rael 's ... like rennin the Fox ... disrupts the milque ... queue being ide ... that's what? Crash, or fallacy of logic? Then tere's the enigma of sour grapes and whines about the cups be'n emptied ... MT? De void ... something to get into to see what was tossed ... as prodigal child of a shadowy character? That's dark, dense and history-like ... generally unknown! Giveen consideration for what we know for sure in a constantly moving point ... mere dust in great space ... for getting lost and lawst roads ... de creed? Pure Esta mites ...
 
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"The patriarchal culture of the time would not credit their witness."

I find the dogmatism of science so frustrating. Science purports to speak for objective analysis and yet they deny witness evidence. Experiential witness evidence is, to me, absolutely fundamental to an understanding of the paranormal phenomenon.

Courts interview witnesses and weigh evidence up to make an assessment about whether or not something can be believed. Science is quite disdainful of witness evidence. I am struck by the idea that at the heart of the problem with beginning to understand the phenomenon the only real data (in most cases) comes from people who are claiming to have had an experience. If somebody says that they have had an encounter with a non-human intelligence I do not dismiss it out of hand.

I see not being a scientist as an advantage for myself. If I were a scientist I'd be looking down a straw at my particular branch of science and would be saying "no no no what they are talking about is impossible so I should ignore it" (in favor of the dogmatism of science). That seems too shortsighted to me. Fortunately I have no religious dogmas to contend with either. Just me and the still small voice within reminding me that with God (for lack of a better word for whatever consciousness is) all things are possible.

We are a technological species now and, if we don't destroy ourselves first, we are going into space. Could UFOs be the reflection of symbiosis between spirit and science? I think we might be approaching that point where technology looks back into the spiritual underpinnings of existence and provides evidence for it. We may even be living in a time where scientific evidence for spiritual underpinnings will become the consensus.
I am reading what you write, assessing what I think you are communicating, and speculating about your view point and experiences and sources of information that shape your viewpoint.

Science is not a monoculture. Science is a collection of histories, reports, data, theories, laws, speculation, competitions, fraud, and more. Some scientists work hard to test aspects of the paranormal, miracles, etc.. Some scientists put their attachments to previews theories ahead of new data. Too many scientists deliberately develop biased and fraudulent data for rewards from corporations and others including those who worked for tobacco companies and oil companies along with pharmaceutical companies.
 
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The spiritual wisdom of Einstein?

"If we want to improve the world we cannot do it with scientific knowledge but with ideals. Confucius, Buddha, Jesus and Gandhi have done more for humanity than science has done.

We must begin with the heart of man—with his conscience—and the values of conscience can only be manifested by selfless service to mankind.

Religion and science go together. As I’ve said before, science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind. They are interdependent and have a common goal—the search for truth.

Hence it is absurd for religion to proscribe Galileo or Darwin or other scientists. And it is equally absurd when scientists say that there is no God. The real scientist has faith, which does not mean that he must subscribe to a creed.

The soul given to each of us is moved by the same living spirit that moves the universe.

It is as if a spirit is manifest infinitely superior to man’s spirit. Through my pursuit in science I have known cosmic religious feelings. But I don’t care to be called a mystic.

I have faith in the universe, for it is rational. Law underlies each happening. And I have faith in my purpose here on earth. I have faith in my intuition, the language of my conscience, but I have no faith in speculation about Heaven and Hell. I’m concerned with this time—here and now.

Intuition is the father of new knowledge, while empiricism is nothing but an accumulation of old knowledge. Intuition, not intellect, is the ‘open sesame’ of yourself.

This purpose is not given me by my parents or my surroundings. It is induced by some unknown factors. These factors make me a part of eternity.”

~ Albert Einstein

Text Source: Einstein and the Poet: In Search of the Cosmic Man (1983). From a series of meetings William Hermanns had with Einstein in 1930, 1943, 1948, and 1954
 
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this is the first part of what it says in the article

God is present and active in our history. The Holy Spirit, who flows from the heart of the risen Christ, works in the Church with divine freedom and offers us many valuable gifts that aid us on the path of life and encourage our spiritual growth in fidelity to the Gospel.
This action of the Holy Spirit can also reach our hearts through certain supernatural occurrences, such as apparitions or visions of Christ or the Blessed Virgin, and other phenomena.

This right here that they say ----is no where to be found in Scripture ----this is false doctrine --man made up doctrine ----not one scripture in God's 66 books says that the Holy Spirit will reach your heart through visions of Christ ---or through the Virgin Mary --False teaching at it's best here Folks ----
 
The new testament states that just before the return of Jesus to earth that God will cause his people to have special dreams. The Bible records the apostle Peter, citing Joel 2, stating such a fact when he preached a powerful message on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:17)
 
The reality is that people often have dreams and visions so I am certain people will be having them just before the return of Jesus if there is a physical return.
 
The reality is that people often have dreams and visions so I am certain people will be having them just before the return of Jesus if there is a physical return.

It is like a light in the dark, splitting the house! After all, it is everything that counts in the witnessing ... and those in the circle reject the witness as something beyond their circle ... a projected image ... caused by denial of a bunch of the parts ... know's height ... a bit sheigh t'd and shook! Beyond mortal understanding??? That's out there ... pas 'n!

If one sits and watches from inside ... will some parts pas unseen and ineffable ... faro Ute? My 'ole friend dancing with the stellar ones ... fringe? Expect some go around's in the wheel of destiny ... reciprocation ... may resemble quid pro quo as what was dished out comes up again ... order of the Dai ... like an applets hung in the tree 've logos ... they run deep!

If virtue is unacceptable have a grand story of how it demolished itself ... so it lies well on a medium, mostly silent and unseen. Few really look into those ancient records ... they skim! Water bugs ... them ...
 
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As @jimkenney12 reiterated the reality is that people often have dreams and visions @unsafe and dreams and visions played a significant role throughout the old and new testaments as a powerful means through which your idea of God conveys messages.

The Bible tells us, “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions” (Joel 2:28).
 
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