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Do pilgrimages include adventures into inquiries of the unknown processes of how common folk learn things that authority would rather they weren't aware of ... leading to the mystery of WOKE and those dead to the world's needs?

Ignorance can lead to collapse and fallacy in historical records ... few grasp this as they generally cannot apprehend ... apprehensive? The NU's tightens ...

Remain tuned --- the π anus guise form their own circle ... tu l' ephemera ... flighty things when wrenched ... loosening or the alternate? Then the story of the leader of Casterbridge ... a cast off?
 
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Given the importance of these things to the RC faith, I'm not surprised the rules are getting an update.

I think this bit from the Vatican News article explains the rationale for a review and redo well. Makes sense to me, at least.

The document originates from the long experience of the last century, which saw cases where the local bishop (or bishops of a region) rapidly declared a phenomenon’s supernatural nature, only for the Holy Office to express a different decision later. Other cases involved a bishop saying one thing and his successor deciding the opposite (regarding the same phenomenon).

Each event also required lengthy discernment periods to evaluate all elements in order to reach a decision on the supernatural nature or non-supernatural nature of the phenomena. These time periods sometimes contrasted with the urgency to give pastoral responses for the good of the faithful.
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That said, I'm not RC and not especially prone to believing in miracles and manifestations of this sort so not exactly the intended audience.
 
Unlike Fatima and Lourdes, the Vatican has not yet determined the miraculous nature of ongoing visions to 6 Bosnian children at Medjegorje.
Yet I know a skeptical behavioral psychology professor, whose curiosity lured him to Medjegorje and was blown away by the miracles and apparitions he witnessed there. Similarly, a local lawyer went there and was deeply moved by the spirit orbs she witnessed up close there.
Millions of Catholics make pilgrimages there.
 
Personally I would think someone who may be biased towards or against a supernatural experience, such as a priest, bishop, etc...., is operating under a different criteria for confirmation of such.
A psychiatrist, psychologist, etc....will have different guidelines.
To find someone who is open to various possibilities would be rare and that's probably verified by the fact that whoever is in power within the RC at any given time, would bring their own prejudices/bias to the forefront along with common procedures for that day. This document now quashes other's opinion and insights from the past.
And to quote a common narrative, "even the devil knows scripture"......in other words we can twist things sometimes to reflect are own beliefs.
 
"even the devil knows scripture"

Of all the Catholic clergy who have made significant contributions to the world of science, more than half of them have been Jesuits.

Jesuits are comprised of chaplains, pastors, teachers, astronomers, doctors, and more.

Their focus is teachings that care for the whole physical, spiritual, and mental parts of each person.

"There seems to be something special about the education, spirituality and mission of the Society of Jesus that inspires its members to look at creation in a unique way", said U.S. Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, a planetary astronomer and the director of the Vatican Observatory.

While all Catholics are not Jesuits All Jesuits are Catholics.
 
Miracles and manifestations of this sort?

A Catholic, a Jesuit and a scientist walk into a bar. What do they have to talk about? And just how do those conversations go?
 
The Jesuits are an order that actually have some respect for, even if that respect is a bit hedged due to other things they've been involved in. Scientists from that order have done some amazing work. Even outside the Jesuits, we've had some major figures in science who were priests. George Lemaitre, who formulated the earliest version of the Big Bang theory based on General Relativity and later Edwin Hubble's confirmation of an expanding universe, was ordained but apparently as a diocesan priest, not a Jesuit.

WhyCzar said:
Miracles and manifestations of this sort?

A Catholic, a Jesuit and a scientist walk into a bar. What do they have to talk about? And just how do those conversations go?
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Well, as I've suggested above, they could well all be the same person. :giggle: But that would suggest they are talking to themselves and people talking to themselves in a bar tend to get funny looks. :whistle::sneaky:
 
WhyCzar said:
"even the devil knows scripture"

Of all the Catholic clergy who have made significant contributions to the world of science, more than half of them have been Jesuits.

Jesuits are comprised of chaplains, pastors, teachers, astronomers, doctors, and more.

Their focus is teachings that care for the whole physical, spiritual, and mental parts of each person.

"There seems to be something special about the education, spirituality and mission of the Society of Jesus that inspires its members to look at creation in a unique way", said U.S. Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, a planetary astronomer and the director of the Vatican Observatory.

While all Catholics are not Jesuits All Jesuits are Catholics.
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Yes my father was an Anglican priest...and he was catholic ( small c and a part of the universal church...not Roman Catholic)
He loved science and other things....bottom line was I believe for him...I think, could be wrong, all things lead to God.
 
No matter which (a)theistic background informs your theology, you may have to wrestle with the data astronomers will be bringing to houses of worship in the very near future.
 
WhyCzar said:
No matter which (a)theistic background informs your theology, you may have to wrestle with the data astronomers will be bringing to houses of worship in the very near future.
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It's becoming very fascinating for sure. Structures that are circling planets and others that appear to have to be made by aliens.
There is a part of me that sees these discoveries as something we will not be able to see with our own telescopes but brought to us by only those who can see and interpret....sound familiar?
 
WhyCzar said:
No matter which (a)theistic background informs your theology, you may have to wrestle with the data astronomers will be bringing to houses of worship in the very near future.
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Astronomers are wrestling with the data from the James Web Telescope. Several theories are facing revisions. Some of what I have seen makes the universe even weirder than it looked before.
 
Waterfall said:
Personally I would think someone who may be biased towards or against a supernatural experience, such as a priest, bishop, etc...., is operating under a different criteria for confirmation of such.

To find someone who is open to various possibilities would be rare and that's probably verified by the fact that whoever is in power within the RC at any given time, would bring their own prejudices/bias to the forefront along with common procedures for that day.
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Not "rare" at all! The Catholic church seeks objective evaluation for the miraculous healings at Lourdes (the blind, MS, metastastic cancer, etc.) by submitting
claims of a skeptical medical board of specialists who require inspection of all relevant medical records and in depth examination of the people healed.
Of course, only a small fraction of those experiencing miraculous healings bother with the tedium of subjecting themselves to such a protracted investigation. Watch this compelling testimony of precisely the steps Sister Mary Maguire in Saskatchewan took to gain her healing from MS at Lourdes:

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Mary Maguire was so grateful that she felt no need to subject herself to the intrusive investigative medical board.
 
jimkenney12 said:
Astronomers are wrestling with the data from the James Web Telescope. Several theories are facing revisions. Some of what I have seen makes the universe even weirder than it looked before.
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Weird to us because we are looking at it through human brains....
I've often wondered if all of outer space is a language using the stars, planets and galaxies to communicate words in certain formations? A huge scroll.
 
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