Where is your faith at?

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

If God doesn’t tempt anyone to do evil but he barred us from the tree of life, as you say…or if he put two trees in the garden and sent a snake in to tempt Adam and Eve knowing they’d be tempted into eating from the wrong one (can’t be both. He couldn’t have knowingly barred people and knowingly given them a choice) then what was that if not tempting?

Maybe Jesus came to say you people have interpreted God all wrong, according to your own viciousness. As humans, I’m the role model to show you how to Do Justice, Love Mercy, and Walk humbly with your God. Maybe that’s all we need.

 

[unsafe]

Kimmio ----

You don’t know what anyone’s eternal fate is.

I don't you are right but God does -----and we have His word to tell us Flat out what our eternal Fate is ------

Jesus says -----

John 3:1-21 ESV
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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.

2;This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born againhe cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Very Plain Scripture here -----Now you don't have to believe it ---but you can't change what the Scripture says --------you either Believe it or you don't ------

Isaiah 59 NIV
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Sin, Confession and Redemption​

59 Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

I say very plain Scripture here -------you don't have to Believe it but you can't change what it says -----you either make a Choice to believer or not believe it ---

From Revelation 21

The Bible states that nothing unclean or sinful will enter heaven, Revelation 21:27, which says, "nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life".

Pretty plain scripture -----you don't have to believe it ----but you can't change what it says -----all you can do is believe what it says or reject what it says ----

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

It says what it says and you interpret it how you interpret it. I don’t flat out reject it but I don’t accept your interpretations without question.

 

[paradox3]

If we are going to be answering to God on the other side of this life, I simply can't accept that God will be concerned about whether or not we believed the right things.

Did we lead ethical lives? Were we kind and compassionate? Did we make use of our gifts?

The God I believe in will be much more concerned about questions like these.

Of course both @unsafe and I can find scripture to support our points of view. .

 

[unsafe]

If God doesn’t tempt anyone to do evil but he barred us from the tree of life, as you say

He did not Barr Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life in the Garden ---He barred them from the tree of Good and evil -----

The Tree of Life world have Keep them connected to God by keeping them in their good Spiritual state ---sinless

They made the Choice to disobey God and so ----After they sinned they were in a sinful stateand if they had of eaten from the tree of Life in their sinful state ---it would have keepo them in that sinful state -----and there would have been no Hope for Humanity to reconnect with God -----as sin would have been the state for all humanity for all time -----so God in this mercy and Agape and Grace ----took Adam and Eve out of the Garden so that He could bring His Son Jesus who is the Word to shed His Blood ---be beaten to a pulp ===flogged ---and nailed to a Cross so YOU and the Word would have FREE WILL to CHOOSE to either Accept Him and again be heaven Bound --or reject him and be in torment -----

You can't have your cake and eat it to -----

Jesus said your either With ME or Against Me ----there is No inbetween --------and Salvation is only for Here and Noe as Scripture clearly states -----



So there is no second Chance when you leave this Earth that you can be Saved -----your Salvation is here ------

Noe You don't have to believe that ----But You can't change what it says ------

And just because we don't believe the Scripture ---doesn't mean that what is says won't come to pass ----

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

According to your theology interpretation im horrible and going to hell, and you are righteous and saved from it. That’s not very nice but you can think what you want @unsafe

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

It was a mercy that God kept us from the tree of life. By barring access to the tree of life,

You said this ^

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

If we are going to be answering to God on the other side of this life, I simply can't accept that God will be concerned about whether or not we believed the right things.

Did we lead ethical lives? Were we kind and compassionate? Did we make use of our gifts?

The God I believe in will be much more concerned about questions like these.

Of course both @unsafe and I can find scripture to support our points of view. .

What about the ones who didn’t do that perfectly because of inequality? I often feel that mainstream church people - I’ve been one myself - judge others’ ethics when they weren’t given the same hardships - some that are impossible to fathom from comfortable places - so they shouldn’t judge. We might be judged for that. Maybe we are in that process now. The world is being upended, it’s plain to see. I feel it. I think “Wow. Did we ever screw up for the world to be in this state!” In some cases we screwed up not by doing anything consciously wrong but by contributing to systemic wrongs we didn’t even know were there because we ignored them and they festered.

I hope that on the other side, whatever good is in every person is what remains.

 

[paradox3]

What about the ones who didn’t do that perfectly because of inequality?

If God is a compassionate judge, all things will be considered, no?

I often feel that mainstream church people - I’ve been one myself - judge others’ ethics when they weren’t given the same hardships - some that are impossible to fathom from comfortable places

Agreeing with this completely

- so they shouldn’t judge. We might be judged for that.

To judge is such an interesting verb. It can mean either to exercise good judgement or to be judgemental. Not the same things at all.

Maybe we are in that process now. The world is being upended, it’s plain to see. I feel it. I think “Wow. Did we ever screw up for the world to be in this state!” In some cases we screwed up not by doing anything consciously wrong but by contributing to systemic wrongs we didn’t even know were there because we ignored them and they festered.

There is both individual and community wrongdoing for sure.

I hope that on the other side, whatever good is in every person is what remains.

That is a wonderful thought! Thanks for offering it to us.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

We often tend to look at people as the sum total of their flaws and that’s not accurate. It’s just that our flaws interacting with each others’ make for a bumpy life.

 

[Luce NDs]

God as just, compassionate, whatever (humble?) appears to be a matter of dispute beyond those inner quarters ...
When god comes up and out will it be vicious because of the mess out here beyond the inner sanctum?

Thus folk get the reputation as out-there ... fringe depositions? Sometimes frilly an unreasonable as they shed their emotional natures ... cranking the alter one ...

What's alternate ... depends whether you are viewing from subject (1st Person) or object (one spoken at; 2nd person?) the intermediary is way out there given the violence ... I'D stir from the Phar Roue also ... like a bad cat ... 3rd position?

Lower Dai: lord EH is an expression like OHC M'n ... and some go off half-cocked ... chicken hawks on the tear ...

Some do have a bird about the devices!

I can tell you "I don't know" ... my mother tested me ... the results were bad it was declared! All confidence was gone like in some that had trust in the trump card ... the under table stuff was a killer!

Few ever check the deeper side ... underbellies? Down under ... tis hot there also ...

I told you so ... or at least spoke of it ... there was a rare listening Aere ... quite thin it was ... long and slender!

 

[unsafe]

According to your theology interpretation im horrible and going to hell, and you are righteous and saved from it. That’s not very nice but you can think what you want @unsafe

WELL for starters it is NOT MY THEOLOGY -----It Is GOD's Word ---Who is Jesus -----

Who is full of Truth ----so you don't have to believe that ----and that is not very Nice for you to Call the Word Jesus a Liar ------because that is what your saying ---that God's Word --Jesus is not believable -----

God says His word Is Truth ------Period ---so you will have to take what you think is your human interpretation and discuss it with God ---NOT ME -----

Cause the Life I am Living is very blessed and prosperous Great life -----so you keep your unbelieving Theology that God will save you in the end ---and I will keep following THE WAY and putting Christ;s Faith into action by following His word who is Jesus ===

You have the opportunity to be Saved from torment --and you reject it ---that is on You not Me or God -----

You need to take responsibility for your decisions and not blame God or others for what your Rejecting ----which is Eternal Life ---ALL ON YOU ------

 

[Mendalla]

Our flaws and our virtues interact within us to make who we are. Most of us are, I hope, net on the positive side. And, yeah, a lot of conflict and interpersonal issues arise due to how those flaws interact with those of others.

As an adherent of the CUC principles, I believe in the first principle that says every person has inherent worth and dignity. Not that we are flawed or flawless in the whole, but that we have inherent worth and dignity regardless of flaws. Hard to stick to that where certain individuals are concerned but any principle worth keeping should be a tough row to hoe.

And that obviously is picking up from this post of Kimmio's, not unsafe's that came in as I was writing:

We often tend to look at people as the sum total of their flaws and that’s not accurate. It’s just that our flaws interacting with each others’ make for a bumpy life.

 

[chansen]

WELL for starters it is NOT MY THEOLOGY -----It Is GOD's Word ---Who is Jesus -----

Not so fast.

 

[GordW]

WELL for starters it is NOT MY THEOLOGY -----It Is GOD's Word ---Who is Jesus -----

AS you interpret and understand it.

 

[chansen]

We often tend to look at people as the sum total of their flaws and that’s not accurate. It’s just that our flaws interacting with each others’ make for a bumpy life.

Well, perhaps for you people who *have* flaws.

 

[GordW]

Well, perhaps for you people who *have* flaws.

Or those who in fact are all flaws (or so it feels sometimes---we can be our own worst enemies on that count)

 

[paradox3]

Well, perhaps for you people who *have* flaws.

We have a motley crew of alter egos here, don't we?

Jesus, Snoopy, the Ape, a Blue Heron. Am I missing anyone?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Or those who in fact are all flaws (or so it feels sometimes---we can be our own worst enemies on that count)

Have you ever occasionally recognized yourself in people you don’t get along with? I’m not asking as a judgement. I just wonder how common it is.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

We have a motley crew of alter egos here, don't we?

Jesus, Snoopy, the Ape, a Blue Heron. Am I missing anyone?

K…I guess that’s my alter ego.