What Legacy Does Trump Leave?

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I will suggest that we don't elect our leaders either here or in the States to directly do any of this stuff (fight wars, run the economy). We elect our leaders to be the top dog, to coordinate and direct the work of the people who do know how to do this stuff. And that's where Trump falls down for me. He tries to be all things to all people and control very facet of the government instead of deferring to the experts and letting them do their jobs.

A good example is Chretien. He was no economist or business geek. He was a lawyer who had spearheaded constitutional negotiations and things like that during his first political career. So when he returned to politics and became PM, he didn't try to manage the economy himself, he appointed a capable finance minister in Paul Martin Jr. and then Martin and his team in Finance managed the economy with Chretien doing the work of selling and defending the plan. Chretien was the CEO, the guy in charge of overall direction but he didn't need to be a successful businessman or soldier because he appointed cabinet members and hired civil servants to be the experts.

And as far as being a draft dodger, Trump is hardly the first President to have ducked service in 'Nam. Clinton and Bush Jr. both found workarounds to being drafted rather than outright dodging (Clinton had educational deferments and then some other dancing around, Bush Jr. served stateside in the Air National Guard or something like that). To be honest, it's fairly common in the middle class and above, which is why so many of the casualties in Vietnam were poor or working class.

So I think this whole "Trump is terrible at stuff" is not the real heart of the problem. The real heart of the problem is that the guy is unstable and tries to make the world revolve around himself. And might have dementia to boot based on some recent performances.
 
Mendalla said:
I will suggest that we don't elect our leaders either here or in the States to directly do any of this stuff (fight wars, run the economy). We elect our leaders to be the top dog, to coordinate and direct the work of the people who do know how to do this stuff. And that's where Trump falls down for me. He tries to be all things to all people and control very facet of the government instead of deferring to the experts and letting them do their jobs.

A good example is Chretien. He was no economist or business geek. He was a lawyer who had spearheaded constitutional negotiations and things like that during his first political career. So when he returned to politics and became PM, he didn't try to manage the economy himself, he appointed a capable finance minister in Paul Martin Jr. and then Martin and his team in Finance managed the economy with Chretien doing the work of selling and defending the plan. Chretien was the CEO, the guy in charge of overall direction but he didn't need to be a successful businessman or soldier because he appointed cabinet members and hired civil servants to be the experts.

And as far as being a draft dodger, Trump is hardly the first President to have ducked service in 'Nam. Clinton and Bush Jr. both found workarounds to being drafted rather than outright dodging (Clinton had educational deferments and then some other dancing around, Bush Jr. served stateside in the Air National Guard or something like that). To be honest, it's fairly common in the middle class and above, which is why so many of the casualties in Vietnam were poor or working class.

So I think this whole "Trump is terrible at stuff" is not the real heart of the problem. The real heart of the problem is that the guy is unstable and tries to make the world revolve around himself. And might have dementia to boot based on some recent performances.
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Thus some of us go into the shades and watch the foolishness of emotional explosions ... it is a small thing to the emotional folk ...

Is that mysterious or just the darker side of the mental enigma ? Ever encounter a mined beastie ... rare critters ...
 
Mendalla said:
So I think this whole "Trump is terrible at stuff" is not the real heart of the problem. The real heart of the problem is that the guy is unstable and tries to make the world revolve around himself. And might have dementia to boot based on some recent performances.
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It's really Dunning-Kruger on steroids, isn't it? The dumbest person in the room thinks he's the smartest person in the room, and he has all the power.
 
chansen said:
It's really Dunning-Kruger on steroids, isn't it? The dumbest person in the room thinks he's the smartest person in the room, and he has all the power.
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Sounds good to me ... I was told early in life that I was stupid ... to conform I just go along with it ... and it causes some folk dissonance for reasons I will never understand ... sequitur? It is easy just to drift with the stream as it goes ... but you can watch and observe a lot that the emotionally blinded have enigma with to the very termination ... in scripture some say it was like Jacob spending a night across the Jordan ... there items and events that are ineffable ... and take flight!

Tis a grand myth that dark unseen spot that's out there ... transcending all belief ...
 
I really do try to stay balanced in my views, but all things considered, trump and his administration is the ugliest thing to happen in North America for quite some time. Not unique, just so blatantly crass and cruel. Pretty much what you'd expect from a voter base that reads at a grade 5 level. I suppose at least the grift and money-laundering are transparent in an unprecidented way. It's understandable how other presidents, even though they were complicit in awful things as well (yes Obama too) look good in comparison.
 
ninj said:
Pretty much what you'd expect from a voter base that reads at a grade 5 level.
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Trump's style mainly resonates because of widespread low literacy ?

ninj said:
I really do try to stay balanced in my views,
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Communication style, economic concerns, cultural issues, and candidate appeal matter.

Low-literacy voters are not a uniform bloc.

They include:

Strong Democratic supporters (especially in minority communities),

Trump backers (especially white working-class),

and many non-participants.

Low literacy does pose real civic challenges (harder ballot comprehension, higher misinformation vulnerability, lower participation),

but it doesn't lock any group into one candidate.

Millions of lower-literacy Americans vote across the spectrum.

Addressing literacy gaps would likely boost overall informed engagement without predetermining outcomes.
 
This administration claims to be the most Christian administration ever. I don't want to hear about how great Christianity is, ever again. Christianity seems to boil down to a competition for who believes more outlandish things than the next Christian. Even in the United Church, people are judged for not believing enough implausible events or not teaching the wildly improbable things.

Yes, some aren't like that. But the faith appears to be a race to the bottom. And as it picks up steam running downhill, it seeks political power so the crash at the bottom can impact everyone.

Trump would not be president without popular Christian support. He'd be a laughingstock if not for the support of faith leaders and the majority of American Christians.

And when Trump is removed, or loses, or dies, many Christians will say how they never supported him. And while that's true for many individuals, Christian support is why ICE raids happened. It's why Venezuela happened. It's why trade wars happened. Christianity is why scores of Iranian children are dead. Christianity is why people lost Healthcare. Christianity is why American education is being gutted.

And for what? Christianity got rid of Roe v Wade and got the Ten Commandments in some schools. It got the gender of birth on passports.

I hope everyone remembers what happened when Christianity moved into the White House. I doubt we will. "It was the wrong kind of Christianity," everyone will say. "That won't happen again."
 
Rumour has it he's actually an atheist -- but I don't believe he has the cognitive ability to have abstract thought. It's probably more like he saw a really easy lever to power.
 
He clearly doesn't believe, or care about Jesus or Christianity. Technically I guess he probably is an atheist. Christians are just easy for him to scam. I don't want him on my team, but there's nothing I can do about it.

However, atheists have roundly rejected him. The exit polls showed a massive atheist polling advantage for Harris. Something like 75:25 for the "religiously unaffiliated". Atheists saw through him. And it's not just evangelical nutcases - mainline Protestant Christians also voted more for Trump than against him.

Exit polls usually lump atheists in with "religiously unaffiliated," but this poll from before Biden dropped out show a 87:11 atheist advantage for Biden.


And atheists will still be told we have no morals.
 
Asked recently if there is any check on his power, billionaire President Trump -- by far the richest president in American history -- said, “Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me.”"
 
WhyCzar said:
Asked recently if there is any check on his power, billionaire President Trump -- by far the richest president in American history -- said, “Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me.”"
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Hasn't stopped him yet. His bar must be underground.
 
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Now the question is- did he want to prevent Trump to hold a bad speech or is this another attack on the press?
He would be lucky if Donald doesn’t arrange for the death penalty for just the intention of disturbing his entertainment.
 
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