What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?

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talking about the Holy Spirit as an it - flying around like the wind landing on sinners who refuse to repent saying everyone and everything it decides to land on is saved ---is the worst --disgusting --degrading thing ever said ----and people calling themselves Christians when they are not is appalling -
Like I said a few posts above, I simply cannot interact with a poster who frames disagreement with her viewpoint like this. Think about it . . . in her mind, our opinions are "disgusting", "degrading" and "appalling".

Many of us disagree with unsafe's theology, but I don't believe anyone here has used adjectives like this to describe her worldview.
In retrospect, I think we cut her too much slack on the bible study threads.

I am done.
 
Northwind said:
I don't see anything about guns in the passage you quoted. I fail to see your point. It seems to me you are the one twisting scripture to suit your agenda.

Well, guns weren't present at the time of Paul's writing so one wouldn't expect to see guns in the text. That said, it would be a dead giveaway that the text wasn't genuine.

But that is beside the point.

The Ephesians text so quoted compares the "word of God" or scripture with "the Sword of the Spirit" which is where the weapon analogy comes into play. I suspect that whomever is responsible for the image came to the conclusion that swords really aren't that threatening, as far as weapons go and decided to up the danger factor by replacing the Sword of the Spirit with the Gun of the Spirit.

This is likely nothing new among Christians who gush about spiritual warfare. They probably hear someone talk about the canon of scripture and hear Cannon of scripture instead.

The image communicates to the intended audience power over others and in particular power over the principalities and powers of this dark world.

That it is not universally recognized by other Christians simply highlights the assumption proverb.

Interestingly Paul thought that Sword imagery was good enough and more contemporary Christians think it communicates a feebleness.

I think Paul understood the weapon, hence the analogy, better than those who want to upgrade the weapon tech. Different swords have different edges and as such are used differently. Folk with no experience of swords will pick up an epee and start slashing about them not realizing that the epee is not designed for that particular fighting style. It is most probable that Paul has in mind the Roman gladius which has a relatively short blade and while it was edged and could cut it was designed for thrusting. Which makes sense when you take into account typical Roman martial tactics which were more closed ranks. Accuracy then, was what the Romans drilled for. And by the time they drew the gladius and could use it the enemy would be up close and personal.

Guns are generally not close quarter weapons.

I can see the appeal of them for those who don't want to get to close to their foes for fear of getting to close to whatever weapons they bring to the fight.

Have to admit that I missed the meme. I believe it represents a colossal communication failure all around. I do not believe that it represented any hostility towards any other participant in the thread so much as it failed (obviously) to communicate actual intent.

All things considered being able to defend yourself with a gladius takes much more commitment than a gun requires. Guns give you the ability to kill at a great distance and depending upon the gun it gives you the opportunity to kill many from a great distance. I suspect Paul would find guns a lazy weapon.
 
GeoFee said:
The image of the bible shaped like a gun reveals the spirit of the age more than it reveals the spirit of God.

Indeed.

Guns are safer than swords if one wants to be ridiculously literal about it.

I mean, live by the sword and die by the sword. Nobody said nuthin bout guns.

It is an appeal to a strength that seems to resonate most with the fearful. Which is why the nation that loves them so intensely sits by doing nothing while guns are used to slaughter children in schools and worshippers in churches.
 
To be clear ... I do not find unsafe a threat to my own well being. I am leaning towards compassion ... until I have walked a mile in her shoes ... I am judging not.
 
which is showing how powerful the word of God is in fighting off Satan and His demons -----

And you see, we have another problem here.

There is a whole school of perfectly good, even theistic Christian thought, that has no requirement of this adversary you are in such a spiritual tizzy about. Satan can be a metaphor for a host of things, like evil and bad intentions, but it can also carry some important pre-Christian notions about the Advocate or the Adversary - the moral equivalent of the Trickster/Raven figure in some indigenous mythology.

I spent much of my evening, after a pleasant supper (and a well-received little skit), talking with a transgender member of our youth group. She's a pretty angry person, in some ways, with a very anarchic edge, but she's also incredibly articulate, well-read and shows, I think, some talent for poetry. She's had a lot of righteous judgment in her life, and she doesn't need any more.
 
And I don't find that image offensive, because money and violence are often interchangeable evils in my experience. That connection does not degrade the holy scriptures of a people, unless one worships the Almighty Dollar. I suppose a worshipper of money, if we have one in our ranks, might report that as offensive. Won't be me.
 
Don't like that one, but it doesn't offend me the way a disfigured scripture does. I think it's quite wrong that currency mentions God, as if we all understood that concept the same way.
 
goddie with a small g

I usually capitalize it. It's Godde. Short for Goddessence. God. Goddess. Essence. Jews think using any word to define God is wrong. Muslims call God the same name as Arabic Christians do - Allah. Mon dieu in French. Deus in Latin. I once had a fascinating conversation with poet Tomson Highway who famously quoted/paraphrased to me, "when we natives first met your God, we couldn't figure out what he'd done with Mrs. God"...

I think Godde knows who it is we're talking about, and she's probably a hell of a speller, as well. However, from the look of the original text, not much of a Capitalize-er, nor punctuate-er.
 
I think Godde knows who it is we're talking about, and she's probably a hell of a speller, as well. However, from the look of the original text, not much of a Capitalize-er, nor punctuate-er.
-----------Not even-hyphens--------- or question marks??????????????????????
------------How about boldface??????????????------------
 
I have asked unsafe to explain how her version of truth has made a difference in her life. Personal experience often means more than to me throwing information at me as "proof". I have yet to have had an answer to that request.

When I've explained how writing presented comes across, I have been accused of blaming, judging or side-stepping. There has been no response to direct statements other than to blame or throw statements back. I'm left wondering about comprehension or other issues.

This thread was allegedly created to discuss whether judgement was okay according to the bible. It is apparently a soap box from which the OP can judge other participants, label them and to preach her views. There has been no attempt at dialogue. That's awfully close to troll behaviour to me.
 
in response to Ritafee's question about anybody meeting unsafe in real life ... I don't think so.

A number of us have tried at different times and in different ways to engage her (my use of "her" is based on what others have posted - I really have no idea of her gender) as a person but she does not respond to any personal approaches other than with scripture. She's probably the person here at wonder cafe who is least known as a person. Divine mystery I guess.
 
Yes, unsafe has confirmed on a number of occasions that she is a "chick, not a dude"...

She and I have had the odd conversation via Wondermail. When we discuss inappropriate imagery, she seems mainly very concerned that she will be unable to preach her truth to those who lurk on our site. I think most of the regular posters have been pretty carefully identified as sheep or goats.
 
When you live in constant fear, you're unsafe. Sad way to live. :cry:

What better way to raise fear and anger in the host thus contributing to the separation (void) in the connection of emotions and intelligence as it spreads ... always a' hole somewhere for love to disappear into for the gammos! Gammos is an ancient expression that has something to do with obscurity and the occult ... something requiring archeology to uncover the wry truisms ...
 
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