What Does It Mean To Fall From Grace ?

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Paradoxical ... Love can do that to a person that is confused about hollow faith in something they fell into ... thus an echo about what they believed to be true ... but was only virtue in shadowy form ....
 
chansen said:
I'm not Neo, but I think that anyone who says I, he/she or anyone else "deserves death", is, at best, a loony. For anyone who reads this and thinks to themselves that your words don't sound right, it's because they're insane. And people are going to jump up and down and report me and say that I'm attacking you, and that's fine, but I'm not the one saying that you deserve death. once you do that, to me, you're fair game.

It is a monumentally stupid and abusive belief system that would have you say such a thing. It has literally rotted your brain.
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But if your BS allows everyone to be dead but you ... will you stand alone and be the enlightened winner? Fits with success theology! Thus Christians of one linear descent are deadly to the rest of creation ... especially if they convince you creation is stifled by stoics!

There yah be bi ... dead in the wa'terre ...
 
chansen said:
Actually, we could merge two absolutely disgusting theologies in this situation, and say that every child, on their 12th birthday, be hit in the head with a baseball bat. Those who die as a result, oh well, God will see them in heaven, and bon voyage. Those who survive the resulting brain injury are likely to have a Near Death Experience that will surely involve God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost, or one of their close friends, thus cementing their faith in Christianity. If for any reason they wake from their comas without such knowledge, or indeed the moment they speak about seeing Allah (or God forbid any of the Hindu gods), well, that's why you keep that baseball bat in the hospital room.
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NDE ... a stifled religious experience that is not moving ... thus anti dynamic?
 
God as pure dynamic emotion ... was blinded? Thus reference to the Shadow of God ass a dark thing following ... sort of like behind or hermeneutic ... sealed by sphincter ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
And you're still speculating. If you're absolutely honest with yourself, you'd admit that no-one KNOWS anything, except perhaps that which can be measured in our finite physical reality.
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Speculation comes from confident people that do not believe the multilateral terms of teaching children about all things (everything or god) ... their perspective tends towards limitation and millstones about nex us ... leads on towards keeping the pagan stunned ... contrary to wishes outside the limited manner of reality!
 
How did you debunk my claims? Your gospel of John is the very farthest away from the life of Jesus, and all I suggested was that Jesus did not make claims of exclusivity, the early church did.

Also, you haven't explained which translation is the "correct" Greek to English one.
 
airclean33 said:
--Neo first read John 3:16-21
Then try.--
Jhn 14:6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.
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Again, your "interpretation" of these words is that one must be a Christian in order to be able to approach the Father. Krishna said the same kind of thing 5,000 years ago. John 14:6 is about awareness and not religion. The Christ is a world Teacher and not just a religious Teacher.
 
unsafe said:
Neo --your quote -----So the fall was predestined, with Christ as the backup plan?

In all your getting get understanding Neo -----

No --No Neo Christ was always the plan from the beginning ----Christ was never the backup plan ------Christ was the 1st plan and is the last plan --Period
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So "the fall of Man" from paradise was predestined and for a reason?
 
BetteTheRed said:
How did you debunk my claims? Your gospel of John is the very farthest away from the life of Jesus, and all I suggested was that Jesus did not make claims of exclusivity, the early church did.
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because I showed you that scripture is 99.5 % accurate , but you tried to claim scriptures could have said I am A way , I showed you your mistake , that the Church teaches what Christ claimed of Himself .
 
blackbelt1961 said:
because I showed you that scripture is 99.5 % accurate , but you tried to claim scriptures could have said I am A way , I showed you your mistake , that the Church teaches what Christ claimed of Himself .
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What is the 0.5% that is inaccurate?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Maybe that's perfectly clear to you, but that's not perfectly clear to me.

And Jesus' (purported) words are not the Jewish holy scriptures. Their canon was closed prior to Jesus' life. The New Testament was written, in Greek, by people who were not necessarily Jewish, in a period of some 30 to 75 years after Jesus' death. And Holy Scriptures are not written as a factual account, but as a theological statement. You can say that the early church government had some strong beliefs, but I don't think you've got any evidence as to Jesus' thoughts. No video camera, remember?

And again, what does the repetition of more verses with the same translation pattern mean? A true vine, a good shepherd. And John is the latest written of the gospels, and the most dedicated to developing a "Christology".
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--So what do you make of the living Christ , that still talks to me and others today. Or do we have it mixed up? I believe BetteTheRed you seem to be the one very mixed up in many things.
 
The are spiritualists and there are those that follow religious rules (invariable) ... one has a ghost of a chance ... the light about us allowing reflection on the lies writ by people who believed they were everything ... 0.5% of the infinite is sum thin to consider for those on the narrow inflexible traxs ...

Allows contemplation on how much of reality is virtue ...

Thus c'ess pools ... c'est Sarah ... that woman in yer mind? Maybe, but maybe not ... something to look into as if dark and mysterious ...
 
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