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Then there is the hint of Niche o' de muse in John 3: something or thereabouts as an approximate spot for that essence ... you can smell the suite of the thing in a maple tree ... once known as sycamore.

There's a novel of Baldacci's that speaks of a wee black fellow being hung on a lane of sycamores ... the shadow of doubt on the love expressed by powerful mankind? Something occurred in reciprocal fashion to the way the spirits expected ... thus brute reality ...

Some religions are staid about this literality ...

 

[airclean33]

Quote from Waterfall's Post

In our lives, we should aim to reflect the heart of Jesus--- through our humility, love, self sacrifice and compassion for others


unsafe says ----Jesus was fully human but He was also fully Divine -----The heart of Jesus was Pure ---it was peaceful ---it was humble -----His heart was Spiritual ----He took and acted on instructions from His Father doing His Will not humans will -----

The heart of us Humans is not pure --not peaceful ---not humble and not spiritual -----our heart is corrupt ----- so how can we really aim to reflect the True Heart of Jesus from our human deceitful heart ----

The only way to aim to reflect the heart of Jesus is to have God in us ------


Jeremiah 17:9-10New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Deceitful Heart

9 “The(A)heart is more(B)deceitful than all else
And is desperately(C)sick;
Who can understand it?
10 “I, theLord,(D)search the heart,
I test the[a]mind,
Even(E)to give to each man according to his ways,
According to the[b]results of his deeds.



unsafe says ----

Humility ------is ridding yourself of pride ----it is relying on God -----which give Him the Glory -----without God in us we are giving ourselves the glory not God ----

unsafe posted this from ----http://biblehub.com/greek/5012.htm

this says it all -----For the believer,----5012/tapeinophrosýnē("humility") means living in complete dependence on the Lord, i.e. with no reliance onself(the flesh).-----properly, low;humility, "lowliness" of human pride (self-government); that qualityof mindset of "having a humble opinion of oneself, i.e. a deep sense of one's (moral) littleness – i.e. lowliness of mind"-This brings behavior into alignment with this inner revelation to keep one from being self-exalting(self-determining, self-inflated).

Worth Repeating ---------For the believer,5012/tapeinophrosýnē("humility") means living in complete dependence on the Lord, i.e. with no reliance onself(the flesh).-----


Strong's Concordance -----read all here ---http://biblehub.com/greek/5012.htm
tapeinophrosune: humility
Original Word:ταπεινοφροσύνη, ης, ἡ

Definition:humility, lowliness of mind, modesty.


unsafe says ---

Love ---- Agape ----which is a fruit of the Spirit ----not human produced ---

unsafe posted this from ----http://biblehub.com/greek/26.htm --see below scripture that unsafe posted

26(agápē) typically refers to divine love(= whatGod prefers


1 Corinthians 13GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Love
13 I may speak in the languages of humans and of angels. But if I don’t have love, I am a loud gong or a clashing cymbal.2 I may have the gift to speak what God has revealed, and I may understand all mysteries and have all knowledge. I may even have enough faith to move mountains. But if I don’t have love, I am nothing.3 I may even give away all that I have and give up my body to be burned.[a]But if I don’t have love, none of these things will help me.

This is the Greek word used in this scripture for love ---
love,
ἀγάπηνagapēn26love, goodwill from agapaó

Strong's Concordance----http://biblehub.com/greek/26.htm
agapé: love, goodwill
Original Word:ἀγάπη, ης, ἡ
Definition: love, benevolence, good will, esteem; plur: love-feasts.

In the NT,26(agápē) typically refers to divine love(= whatGod prefers).



unsafe says ---

Self sacrifice ----as we see below encompasses a lot on our part -----can we really be self sacrificing like Jesus with a corrupt human heart ---without a change of heart -----


unsafe posted below from ---read all here ---https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/8481-self-sacrifice

8481 SELF-SACRIFICE ----The willingness to leave one’s possessions or to give them to others; to deny oneself to the point of death or to give oneself in the service of God or other people.


Self-sacrifice as forfeiting one’s present comfort for the sake of others

Hebrews 11:24–27 (ESV)
By Faith
24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter,25 choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.26 He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of …


Self-sacrifice as giving one’s possessions to others

Jesus Christ commends the willingness to give away one’s possessions

unsafe says ---Example ----------If you have one car and your neighbour was in need of a car would you be able to give your only transportation away to your neighbour and trust by Faith with your Human heart that you would be looked after for transportation ------


Self-sacrifice as leaving all and following Jesus Christ

Such sacrifice is a condition of discipleship----This means loving Jesus Christ over and above one’s immediate family.

unsafe says ----
I wonder how many of us humans put Jesus Christ first before our families -----


Self-sacrifice as the metaphorical laying down of one’s life for others

Followers of Jesus Christ are required to give themselves in the service of others

unsafe says ---
Agape --fruit of the Spirit -- in action


Self-sacrifice as the literal laying down of one’s life ----

Jesus Christ warns his disciples to be prepared to give their lives

unsafe says ----
would take a lot of Faith and Spiritual Courage in God and His word


Compassion ----

unsafe says ----

True Compassion will move us to help not just feel pity or sorry for the person but feel their pain and suffering to the point of moving to elevate it ----

unsafe posted this below from ---

-https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1LENN_enCA460CA476&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bible meaning of compassion&*

What does it mean to have compassion for others?

Compassion literally means “to suffer together.” Among emotion researchers, it is defined as the feeling that arises when you are confronted with another's suffering and feel motivated to relieve that suffering .Compassion is not the same as empathy or altruism, though the concepts are related.


and this below from --

-https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=be moved with compassion* G4697&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

KJV Strong'sG4697matches the Greekσπλαγχνίζομαι(splagchnizomai).
"be" AND "moved" AND "with" AND "compassion*" AND "G4697"
occurs in1verses in the KJV.
Mar 1:41
And Jesus ,moved with compassion, G4697 put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

The Holy Spirit indwelling in us is the only one who can show us the real heart of Jesus--- in my opinion -----we humans can try to imitate the heart of Jesus but we will fail miserably in our quest to show ---humility, love, self sacrifice and compassion these are a Heart issue and without a change of heart we can't begin to come close to succeeding ------ Saved People have to be on guard all the time to keep the flesh at bay we need God's Grace to help us resist and stay humble --- our Human Ego is very powerful and will feed itself with selfish motives to puff ourselves up -----

New Living Translation
2 Corinthians 12:7
even though I have received wonderful revelations from God. But to keep me from getting puffed up, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from getting proud.

Hi Unsafe So much of what you posted I agree with. I ask that we not forget other parts of the Word though .
Heb 10:16
"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,"
We I believe who are born again with the Holy Spirit understand this ,I believe. airclean33--Gord.

 

[unsafe]

airclean33 ---your quote ----I ask that we not forget other parts of the Word though .

Amen to that Brother All the word is important --understanding is the most important ----Proverbs 4:7 ---in all our getting get understanding

 

[airclean33]

airclean33 ---your quote ----I ask that we not forget other parts of the Word though .

Amen to that Brother All the word is important --understanding is the most important ----Proverbs 4:7 ---in all our getting get understanding

Amen --Sister--

 

[unsafe]

GeoFee ----your quote to me ----Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

Here you go quoting Scripture GeoFee to justify your teaching of all people who love know God ----Well lets see ------

1 John 4:7 is the scripture you quote and stop at --- Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

You don't finish it cause you don't like or want to hear or believe in what the rest of the scripture says -----this is how you deceive people ------verse 9 GeoFee is very important --------- verse 8-9 -10-11----are worth posting

1 John 4New King James Version (NKJV)
Knowing God Through Love
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


So here we have the word Love ----- for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

What kind of Love is it ------ well lets see what the Greek says for this word love in this scripture -----

let us love ἀγαπῶμεν agapōmen 25to love
one another,ἀλλήλουςallēlous240of one anothera reciporical pronoun
for love ἀγάπη agape 26love, goodwill

who loves ἀγαπῶν agapōn 25to love


25/agapáō) is Christ living His life through the believer.
With the believer,25/agapáō("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).

26 agápē– (In the NT,26(agápē) typically refers to divine love(= whatGod prefers).


So here we see ----let us love -----agapōmen----one another------ is actively doing what God prefers WITH Him----- GeoFee not by ourselves ------by His power and direction not ours ------

The other Agape ---is divine love -----so for love is of God;------is Agape

and everyone who loves ---agapōn----- is born of God and knows God -----is Christ living His life through the believer. -----So Christ in us is directing us to -----actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).

Now Lets look at what the word born means -----in this scripture ----figuratively, to regenerat ---be delivered of

is bornγεγέννηταιgegennētai1080
to beget, to bring forth

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
bear, beget, conceive.

From a variation of genos; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate -- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

Lets look at regenerate ----this is from dictionary.com ----Theology----.to cause to be born again spiritually.

and this is from the KJB Dictionary ---

regenerate

1. To generate or produce anew; to reproduce.

2. In theology,---- to renew the heart by a change of affections; to change the heart and affections from natural enmity to the love of God; to implant holy affections in the heart.

Born anew; renovated in heart; changed from a natural to a spiritual state.

Renewed; born again.


So here is what you posted ------let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

So we see that love --Agape comes from God --not us Humans ------all who loves ---agapōn-----is Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).---has been Born anew; renovated in heart; changed from a natural to a spiritual state. born-----Renewed; born again.--- of God and knows God."

The person knows God GeoFee because they are born again with the Holy Spirit living on the inside of them ---------


Now for the rest of the scripture ------that you didn't post ----

8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

The one who does not loveἀγαπῶνagapōn25to love
---that is ---
Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).---

Christ can't live His Life outside the believer and get the believer actively doing ------Christ is living THROUGH the Believer -----through the Holy Spirit ----

does not know God, ------------------ for God is love ------God is Divine Love --Agape -----
does not knowἔγνωegnō1097to come to know, recognize, perceive



Just responding to your post that you quoted me ------You can send out your whole Church GeoFee but unless they are Born of God they do not know God and all their good works is self driven and self glorifying -----------and you are the one that quoted the Scripture -------

verse 10 -----10 In this is love,---Agape --- not that we loved --agapōn---- God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

verse 11 11 Beloved, if God so loved--- us,--agapōn--- we also ought to love -----agapōn----one another.

agapōn-----is Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).-


You can check out the words here GeoFee -------http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/4-7.htm

 

[Jaebius]

GeoFee ----your quote to me ----Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

Here you go quoting Scripture GeoFee to justify your teaching of all people who love know God ----Well lets see ------

1 John 4:7 is the scripture you quote and stop at --- Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

You don't finish it cause you don't like or want to hear or believe in what the rest of the scripture says -----this is how you deceive people ------verse 9 GeoFee is very important --------- verse 8-9 -10-11----are worth posting

1 John 4New King James Version (NKJV)
Knowing God Through Love
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


So here we have the word Love ----- for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

What kind of Love is it ------ well lets see what the Greek says for this word love in this scripture -----

let us love ἀγαπῶμεν agapōmen 25to love
one another,ἀλλήλουςallēlous240of one anothera reciporical pronoun
for love ἀγάπη agape 26love, goodwill

who loves ἀγαπῶν agapōn 25to love


25/agapáō) is Christ living His life through the believer.
With the believer,25/agapáō("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).

26 agápē– (In the NT,26(agápē) typically refers to divine love(= whatGod prefers).


So here we see ----let us love -----agapōmen----one another------ is actively doing what God prefers WITH Him----- GeoFee not by ourselves ------by His power and direction not ours ------

The other Agape ---is divine love -----so for love is of God;------is Agape

and everyone who loves ---agapōn----- is born of God and knows God -----is Christ living His life through the believer. -----So Christ in us is directing us to -----actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).

Now Lets look at what the word born means -----in this scripture ----figuratively, to regenerat ---be delivered of

is bornγεγέννηταιgegennētai1080
to beget, to bring forth

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
bear, beget, conceive.

From a variation of genos; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate -- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

Lets look at regenerate ----this is from dictionary.com ----Theology----.to cause to be born again spiritually.

and this is from the KJB Dictionary ---

regenerate

1. To generate or produce anew; to reproduce.

2. In theology,---- to renew the heart by a change of affections; to change the heart and affections from natural enmity to the love of God; to implant holy affections in the heart.

Born anew; renovated in heart; changed from a natural to a spiritual state.

Renewed; born again.


So here is what you posted ------let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God."

So we see that love --Agape comes from God --not us Humans ------all who loves ---agapōn-----is Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).---has been Born anew; renovated in heart; changed from a natural to a spiritual state. born-----Renewed; born again.--- of God and knows God."

The person knows God GeoFee because they are born again with the Holy Spirit living on the inside of them ---------


Now for the rest of the scripture ------that you didn't post ----

8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

The one who does not loveἀγαπῶνagapōn25to love
---that is ---
Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).---

Christ can't live His Life outside the believer and get the believer actively doing ------Christ is living THROUGH the Believer -----through the Holy Spirit ----

does not know God, ------------------ for God is love ------God is Divine Love --Agape -----
does not knowἔγνωegnō1097to come to know, recognize, perceive



Just responding to your post that you quoted me ------You can send out your whole Church GeoFee but unless they are Born of God they do not know God and all their good works is self driven and self glorifying -----------and you are the one that quoted the Scripture -------

verse 10 -----10 In this is love,---Agape --- not that we loved --agapōn---- God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

verse 11 11 Beloved, if God so loved--- us,--agapōn--- we also ought to love -----agapōn----one another.

agapōn-----is Christ living His life through the believer. -------actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).-


You can check out the words here GeoFee -------http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/4-7.htm

How do you ever find all the time to write such lengthy responses?

 

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How do you ever find all the time to write such lengthy responses?

That's because unsafe has god in hand ... verily restricted to that point of view! Crushed as without god love there is god-fear and thus someone's out of here ... love is a frightful thing to brutish powers ...

 

[unsafe]

 

[chansen]

If God does exist, and He wants us all to open our hearts to the possibility and accept Jesus into our lives, why doesn't He stop you from posting?

 

[Luce NDs]

On the theme of dijah see ... did you see the foul news of Bombardier being charged in Scandinavia for corrupt business processes in eastern European nations?

Oh excuse me ... this was concerned with a Russian Executive of Bombardier Canada ...

Of course under the "false news" situation there are no connections between Russia and western busy Ness ... a dark pool to say least!

Then in another turn of blind passion ... some do not see such bits of information ... c'est bonnie state of conditions ... rite?

 

[GeoFee]

"Here you go quoting Scripture GeoFee to justify your teaching..." unsafe

Hi unsafe,

I am not justified by scripture. Neither am I a teacher. You know that there is one spirit present by a diversity of callings. That spirit, which is the living spirit of the living God, motivates me to place these words before you.

Your rejection of my insight and judgement of my vocation seems very inconsistent with what I see and hear in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Guessing you know that how we judge others is how we will be judged.

Religion has taken the living word of God and reduced it to dead letters on a page. A person can cut and paste text till the cows come home. This does nothing to justify your position. A person is justified by faith alone or else not justified at all.

Jesus goes around the towns and cities supporting and encouraging folk deeply wounded by corrupt politicians blessed by corrupt priests. He turns water to wine. Real good wine. Everywhere Jesus goes he tells stories about seeds, birds and trees. Where true wealth is freely offered for any who will prefer it to the wealth of the world. Folk really like stories exposing the hypocrisy of those who who claim the authority of God

Jesus meets me as a friend not as a judge. Early on he told me to expect a negative response if I followed in the way he would show me. He told me the religious folk told him he was speaking and acting as an agent of the devil. Guessing you know the chapter and verse?

Having been judged by God and declared innocent in Jesus name I have no need of your judgement or your offer of salvation.

"Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your hair."

George

 

[Neo]

blackbelt1961 -----Just to clarify ----the Scripture you quoted above is Matthew 5:44 --not 4:44

This is that scripture
Matthew 5New International Version (NIV)

Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i](AW)and hate your enemy.’(AX)44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,(AY)45 that you may be children(AZ)of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.(BA)46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?(BB)Are not even the tax collectors doing that?47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

This is the Greek word used in that scripture ----------to love; for the believer, preferring to"live through Christ" ---- (by His power and direction)

25. agapaó►
Strong's Concordance
Cognate: 25 agapáō– properly, toprefer, to love; for the believer, preferring to"live through Christ" (1 Jn 4:9,10), i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power.25(agapáō) preeminently refers to whatGod prefersas He "is love" (1 Jn 4:8,16).See 26(agapē).

/agapáō("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers,with Him (by His power and direction)


unsafe says this is just my view ------and posted Greek word

There is one brotherly love in the New Testament that I am aware of and that is when Jesus ask Peter --do you love me ----John 21:17 ----and found one in Romans as well

This is the Greek word for love in that scripture ----

5368[e]phileisφιλεῖςhave you affection forV-PIA-2S


phileó: to love
Short Definition:I love, kiss
Definition:I love (of friendship), regard with affection, cherish; I kiss.

unsafe says ---and posted verses 44and 45 from above scripture

Which is what love we humans will have for our neighbour until we renew our spirit and grow in Christ ---in my opinion -----we have to do the work to perfect our Love walk with Christ -----we have to mature in Christ

verses 44 and 45 go together and give you clear clues as to the type of love it is -----We can only be a Child of God by and through Adoption by receiving Jesus as our Lord and Saviour

44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,(AY)45 that you may be children(AZ)of your Father in heaven.

In my view the unsaved person can only have Phileo(verb) means “ ‘to have ardent affection and feeling’—a type of impulsive love”
This is the natural, human type of love and affection that we have for a friend and is often defined as “brotherly love.”

Natural human love is very demanding and is unstable and can disappoint and fail in my view -----Agape is steadfast and rooted and has no demands it never fails -----

I would say for me personally ----A parent's love towards their child is the closes to Agape in this world ----but at times the parent child love wavers and becomes unstable it is not continually grounded and rooted like the love Jesus showed -----

So can unsaved people go out and do the work of Jesus ----They can try but the way I see it is we need the Holy Spirit and God's Grace to truly Love ---Agape ---our neighbour and enemies ------but then that is just my view -----

In Romans 12 verse 10 --say Christians are to love one another with brotherly love ------

Romans 12:9-13New King James Version (NKJV)
Behave Like a Christian
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.

This is the Greek word used in this scripture --Definition:brotherly love, love of Christian brethren.
5360[e]philadelphiaφιλαδελφίᾳbrotherly love

Brotherly love is the foundation to unity. It paves the way to peace and at-one-ment, making possible the fruit of the Spirit.

Edit to add: And by "brotherly" I mean at the Soul level, where we experience both sexes.

 

[Luce NDs]

Brotherly love is the foundation to unity. It paves the way to peace and at-one-ment, making possible the fruit of the Spirit.

Edit to add: And by "brotherly" I mean at the Soul level, where we experience both sexes.

Such conceptions will not work here and now as normal mortals would rather support war industry! Thus the unseen busy Ness ... that is shaded by avarice ... from beyond the dark sides!

 

[Neo]

Such conceptions will not work here and now as normal mortals would rather support war industry! Thus the unseen busy Ness ... that is shaded by avarice ... from beyond the dark sides!

People are changing Luce, despite how it appears on the surface. People all over the world are coming to realize that Brotherhood is both an idea and a fact in our world. From "the Master" in June 2010: "Without the reality of Brotherhood as the basis for all action, man’s every effort would come to nothing. When men accept Brotherhood as the essential nature of life, every aspect of our daily living will change for the better. Every manifestation of Brotherhood melts the barriers which form themselves between men, and lead to misunderstanding and distrust. Brotherhood assuages the pain of loss and misfortune. It is a precious gift to be cultivated and nourished. Treasure Brotherhood, it is the key which gives entry to the finest chambers of the heart." The concept of Brotherhood is divine as men and women themselves are divine.

 

[Luce NDs]

People are changing Luce, despite how it appears on the surface. People all over the world are coming to realize that Brotherhood is both an idea and a fact in our world. From "the Master" in June 2010: "Without the reality of Brotherhood as the basis for all action, man’s every effort would come to nothing. When men accept Brotherhood as the essential nature of life, every aspect of our daily living will change for the better. Every manifestation of Brotherhood melts the barriers which form themselves between men, and lead to misunderstanding and distrust. Brotherhood assuages the pain of loss and misfortune. It is a precious gift to be cultivated and nourished. Treasure Brotherhood, it is the key which gives entry to the finest chambers of the heart." The concept of Brotherhood is divine as men and women themselves are divine.

Appreciated NEO ... but my observations are still that peace is a weaker force ... given the trend of religious folks to fight for the opposing reasons ... avarice? Thus humble subtleties ...

 

[Neo]

Appreciated NEO ... but my observations are still that peace is a weaker force ... given the trend of religious folks to fight for the opposing reasons ... avarice? Thus humble subtleties ...

The "religious folk" are only in control on the surface. It's what is in the heart of humanity, below the surface, that's going to change this world. I believe this last ditch attempt around the world of the conservative and right winged will give way to the voice of the people.

 

[Luce NDs]

The "religious folk" are only in control on the surface. It's what is in the heart of humanity, below the surface, that's going to change this world. I believe this last ditch attempt around the world of the conservative and right winged will give way to the voice of the people.

I believe the powerful are still too far bent on winning to give up to weaker forces that they take as facetiae (a jest) in their perspective ... they must be further a' jested, or adjusted by satyr that speaks to their subconscious ... yet-heh is a dead voice to them as they deny sol exists! Sharing is not in the cards: "trump!" An intent winner ...

When an outlander like me looks in from a denied point ... it does seem a peculiarly particular reality ... given all the frothy space in the quantum realm ... kind 'a simulation of Black Swan Theos is as a mire Shadow? But the words are just a pile of crap if you don't mean to commune in the first place ...

Then word is just a pile of crap to some people that would rather not understand ... Caduceus and Janus as a possible IAnous ... of a sphincter of mind that passes everything ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Then there is places like hyanus port where creation isolated the rich and powerful for a time ... gods tory is well spread over the Earth ...

 

[unsafe]

GeoFee -Your Quote ----A person can cut and paste text till the cows come home. This does nothing to justify your position

LOL--- GeoFee ---

Oh and by the way this statement you Make -------A person is justified by faith alone or else not justified at all.------


unsafe says ----While I agree -this is the whole truth you left this part out ---see scripture below

25 God showed that Christ is the throne of mercy where God’s approval is given through faith in Christ’s blood------26-This shows that he is a God of justice, a God who approves of people who believe in Jesus.-28 We conclude that a person has God’s approval by faith, not by his own efforts.

Romans 3GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
25 God showed that Christ is the throne of mercy where God’s approval is given through faith in Christ’s blood. In his patience God waited to deal with sins committed in the past.26 He waited so that he could display his approval at the present time. This shows that he is a God of justice, a God who approves of people who believe in Jesus.

27 So, do we have anything to brag about? Bragging has been eliminated. On what basis was it eliminated? On the basis of our own efforts? No, indeed! Rather, it is eliminated on the basis of faith.28 We conclude that a person has God’s approval by faith, not by his own efforts.


unsafe says ----

---But where does the Faith Come from GeoFee that is the Big Question -------you don't like God's word ---scripture that is ----and that is unfortunate cause that is where our Faith comes From ------


Hate to do this GeoFee ----but here it is ----Not My Words ---I didn't write them God did ------so to grow in Faith you need the word of God preached -----

Romans 10:17New King James Version (NKJV)

17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

unsafe says --

This is from God's word ------I leave you with it -----This justifies my position ------I know it is not your Cup Of Tea ----you don't like God's word when says what you don't want to here -----

Very Good Truth Here ------ and yes GeoFee it is Cut and Paste ---Oh Dear ------ I know Not justifiable in your camp --but none the less Not My Word ----God's ---so God's word is not Justifiable to you ------


Titus 3GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

What God Did for Us

3 Indeed, we, too, were once stupid, disobedient, and misled. We were slaves to many kinds of lusts and pleasures. We were mean and jealous. We were hated, and we hated each other.

4 However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,

5 he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval. Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.

6 God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.

7 As a result, God in his kindness[a]has given us his approval and we have become heirs who have the confidence that we have everlasting life.

8 This is a statement that can be trusted. I want you to insist on these things so that those who believe in God can concentrate on setting an example by doing good things. This is good and helps other people.

unsafe says ----Verse 8 Worth Repeating -------.8 This is a statement that can be trusted -----


unsafe says -----This scripture is good advice for us all not just Titus ------verses 9and 10

Advice for Titus

9 Avoid foolish controversies, arguments about genealogies, quarrels, and fights about Moses’ Teachings. This is useless and worthless.10 Have nothing to do with people who continue to teach false doctrine after you have warned them once or twice.

11 You know that people like this are corrupt. They are sinners condemned by their own actions.


So GeoFee --you have a great weekend -----

 

[Seeler]

GeoFee -Your Quote ----A person can cut and paste text till the cows come home. This does nothing to justify your position

LOL--- GeoFee ---

Oh and by the way this statement you Make -------A person is justified by faith alone or else not justified at all.------


unsafe says ----While I agree -this is the whole truth you left this part out ---see scripture below

25 God showed that Christ is the throne of mercy where God’s approval is given through faith in Christ’s blood------26-This shows that he is a God of justice, a God who approves of people who believe in Jesus.-28 We conclude that a person has God’s approval by faith, not by his own efforts.

Romans 3GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

etc.

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'Til the cows come home.

God, I wish those cows would hurry up.