What do you accept on faith alone?

[paradox3]

What do you accept on faith alone?

In the mythology thread there has been talk of proof. I really don't think proof is possible when it comes to matters of faith.

On faith alone I accept that God exists. And I accept that Jesus lived on this earth. I believe certain things to be true about him. That he was a first century Jew, for example. That he was a teacher who had a profound effect on the lives of his followers. That he called disciples.

What about you ?

 

[Luce NDs]

Can faith in something not experienced as essence of feelings, etc. get one into turbulent times? That's the presentation of real time when its alternate is abstract ... indeterminate at best!

Said to be all in mind and not in your head as extant ... out there? There are hesitations about such experiences ...

Many do not wish to understand the entire integral! Does that add up ...

 

[Mendalla]

Can we prove Jesus existed? Not in a hard, testable scientific way, but in accordance with the standards of proof in history, which is mostly preponderance of evidence accepted by historians. So, his actual existence is not, I don't think, a matter of faith. I have even come across secular and atheist historians who at least accept that there was such a person. Anything beyond that, though, gets quickly into matters of faith.

But what do I take on faith?

It is arguable the trusting empirical science is a matter of faith. After all, as rationalists argued for centuries, senses can be deceived. But that's why we insist on testability by independent sources. If two people who are otherwise unconnected make the same observation, get the same result, that decreases the likelihood of deception. If many independent observers get the same result, or at least very close results, then we can increase our certainty of that even further. And, really, several centuries of being able to describe the world in a way that has enabled us to us the knowledge gained to create the technologies that underlie our society is, itself, a kind of experimental test of empiricism.

I suppose thinking that humanity is going to be around for a while yet is a matter of faith. After all, we seem eminently adept at messing things up. But we often manage to come out of our messes stronger and better so I have a certain amount of faith that we can still get things back on track (a faith that is tested rather regularly, by the way).

But as an agnostic on most "spiritual" matters (God, the afterlife, the supernatural), it is safe to say that I don't really have faith in any of those, just a sense that maybe there's something possible there.

 

[Luce NDs]

Empirical: a relation to empiric, empires and all things unequal being burned and creating a persona of Ignatius matter of spontaneous flaming?

Thus in humanity as fall out ... dependant on how yah reads IT (incoming transcript)? What do these concerns cross as media ... thus some label it rot ... as disposed thinking in ... th' unQ'd state ... mental dispatch? How's it goes ...

We don't yet know as we haven't got the ultimate thing answered ... some say a mystic is a character that asks the ultimate question and some will question not anything ... this may raise cereus matter to celestial levels ... human madness in crowds? Especially about anything intervening as uncertainty in the O'Rah ...

May leave some of us feeling deficient on matters said to be unquestionable ... when it is biblical to question everything (everything as God integral). Few gather such things as it simulates processing of information that should be mechanized ...

Thus mechanical belief wasted ... because imperfect the way powers laid it out ... corruption is innate ... counter to extant as that's beyond those of faith that there's no more(s)! Upstanding is the ETihc ... an archaic word for a tree ... it forms limbs and thus limbic system ... endocrines, hormones and all that ... excesses in dopamine may have adverse stimulae ... especially to the (E)sense of mine ... a dark hole thing ... dense? Of course ... even thick!

 

[paradox3]

@Mendalla
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say I trust there was an historical Jesus. The significance of his existence probably moves into faith territory.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

What do you accept on faith alone?

Nothing! Because anything can be accepted on faith. And faith is not a good pathway to the truth.

On faith alone I accept that God exists. And I accept that Jesus lived on this earth. I believe certain things to be true about him. That he was a first century Jew, for example. That he was a teacher who had a profound effect on the lives of his followers. That he called disciples.

What about you ?

You cant get to truth via faith. If you have a truth belief and you wish someone else to believe your claims of truth, then you must produce objective/not personal evidence. Otherwise you are entitles to carry on believing whatever you want too, but you cant claim it is a truth.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Entitled.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is that like numinous, or the numb in ous/Oz? Leaves some ecstatic over nothing ... and therein a fall!

Someone slipped and fell? Damn, will then never learn of mental balance ... there is a absolute (hard) and the abstract (friable) ... then somewhere a psyche formation ... ode things!

 

[GordW]

THat my family loves me (even when I am least lovable)
THat there is a Higher Power (who also loves me)

 

[BetteTheRed]

The only tenet I accept on faith is that the Universe is, on a macro level, benevolent.

 

[unsafe]

On faith alone I accept that God exists. And I accept that Jesus lived on this earth. I believe certain things to be true about him.

What is the essence of your Faith alone to accept these things that you say here ?

 

[paradox3]

What is the essence of your Faith alone to accept these things that you say here ?

Not sure what you mean by essence of faith. Could you clarify?

 

[Mendalla]

The only tenet I accept on faith is that the Universe is, on a macro level, benevolent.

I am not even sure of that, to be honest. If the universe is a random event, as the Big Bang Theory suggests it could be, it would have no benevolence (or malevolence, to be fair) to speak of. It is just there and operating in accordance with physics. Some parts may be amicable to life as we know it, others may be hostile (and, indeed, that is the case) but that's just a product of how physics and chemistry work. While I hate to be citing a racist butthole here, I sometimes wonder if horror and fantasy writer H. P. Lovecraft had it right: The universe as a whole just doesn't give a crap about us. While it doesn't necessarily go out of its way to mess with us, it will happily squash us like bugs if we get in the way and most of the beings we encounter will be neutral to hostile in nature.

 

[unsafe]

Not sure what you mean by essence of faith. Could you clarify?

Sorry -----Maybe me asking what is the essence of your faith wasn't the way I should have put that ----

What I am asking is --what is the nature of the Faith alone that makes you believe
that God does exist and Jesus walked the earth ----is it just a concept you have adopted --

Was it because you have been told by word of Mouth-and you believed what people told you ---
Do you believe because you seen it written in God's Word ?----

Hope I clarified that somewhat ----


So for me -Faith gives the force of reality for what is believed ------

 

[Luce NDs]

Let us face it in fecund dispatch ... God is out of it except when taking a dip in virtue ... that's a flash on reality in the market --- Rast Evens ...

Rast what? ... all in the shades ...

 

[Pavlos Maros]

THat my family loves me (even when I am least lovable)
THat there is a Higher Power (who also loves me)

Only the latter is faith based, the former is testable.

 

[Mystic]

You accept by faith that your spouse loves you and cite endless anecdotes to reinforce that conclusion. Of course it is logically possible that
if the right affair became available, you would find that your assumption is false. But your faith is reasonable and you would be justifiably a
annoyed if an outsider challenged your claim to "know" your wife really loves you. Most of what we claim to know is based on experiences reinforced by anecdotes. My faith is similarly based and therefore has an inevitably subjective element.

But I address Paradox3's question through the lens of St. Augustine's faith principle: "We don't seek to understand in order to believe. Rather, we (provisionally) believe in order to understand." In other words, we step out in faith provisionally in the hope that various self-authenticating experiences will confirm the truth of our leap of faith. Thus, if it were not for certain mystical experiences (paranormal and otherwise), I would probably no longer be a Christian. Put differently, my theology strikes me as the interpretation that makes the best sense of all my kufe experience.

 

[ninj]

I am not even sure of that, to be honest. If the universe is a random event, as the Big Bang Theory suggests it could be, it would have no benevolence (or malevolence, to be fair) to speak of. It is just there and operating in accordance with physics. Some parts may be amicable to life as we know it, others may be hostile (and, indeed, that is the case) but that's just a product of how physics and chemistry work. While I hate to be citing a racist butthole here, I sometimes wonder if horror and fantasy writer H. P. Lovecraft had it right: The universe as a whole just doesn't give a crap about us. While it doesn't necessarily go out of its way to mess with us, it will happily squash us like bugs if we get in the way and most of the beings we encounter will be neutral to hostile in nature.

This. No wonder people want to find "bromides". We share the same fate as every other living organism and that's disturbing to some. I actually find that comforting.
I wonder about the transcendent experiences had by many. Experiencing "Isness". These have been identical across all cultures and traditions and any attempt to put it in words always fails although every religion tries. It's likely a neurological phenomenon, but it can be life-changing. What it is not is a belief.

 

[Delightful Life]

What do you accept on faith alone?

In the mythology thread there has been talk of proof. I really don't think proof is possible when it comes to matters of faith.

On faith alone I accept that God exists. And I accept that Jesus lived on this earth. I believe certain things to be true about him. That he was a first century Jew, for example. That he was a teacher who had a profound effect on the lives of his followers. That he called disciples.

What about you ?

That Canada is a Great Country

That Beachcombers was among the Best TV Ever

That we will never run out of new ice cream flavours

That Rick Mercer, in a bold move, will ask a Question of Trudeau during Questions period that will cause him to Open His Eyes, sell all his assets, and live in Mumbai helping with the housing issues there

That Canada's polar caps will stop splitting and thus stop becoming bipolar

The we will all meet each other in the CGR and look back on it all and go wonkers, so that is what it was all about and have a laugh and a cry and maybe decide to go back...try on other rôles? Mendalla as chansen? Northwind as Beshpin? Who knows :3

 

[Mendalla]

No wonder people want to find "bromides"

Funnily enough, Lovecraft said the same thing, albeit in much more flowery language.