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I say -----What Doesn't Define a Born again Person FOLKS Is ---A Man Made Religion Called Christianity --

NOTE: This is only for those who May be interested to know What Born Again Really Means -----Most on here will not be interested to know ----but there may be some LUKERS out there that just may want to know --------this is for them -----


What defines a born again Christian?

1. Understanding the Term “Born Again”

The phrase “born again” comes primarily from John 3:3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

The original Greek term translated as “again” (anóthen) also conveys the sense of being born “from above.”

This highlights the divine origin of this second birth, distinguishing it from any mere earthly or physical transformation.

Being “born again” refers to a spiritual regeneration whereby a person, by faith in Christ, is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and experiences a profound inward change.

This concept is central to understanding one’s relationship with God-new life and the indwelling Spirit become the defining marks of a true follower of Christ.

2. The Scriptural Foundation


• John 3:3-8: Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus illustrates that this new birth is by the Spirit: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, but that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6).

• 1 Peter 1:3: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”

• 2 Corinthians 5:17: “Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!”

These passages emphasize that regeneration is an act of God. While one responds in faith,
it is the Holy Spirit who accomplishes the internal transformation.

3. The Necessity of Regeneration


The reason this new birth is necessary can be traced to humanity’s fallen condition.

Scripture teaches that every person is spiritually dead before coming to faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1-2), and no one can bridge the gap between God’s holiness and human sinfulness through good works alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). Thus, a supernatural renewal is required:

• Titus 3:5: “[God] saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.”

• Spiritual deadness implies an inability to please God through one’s own efforts, highlighting the absolute necessity of the Spirit’s work.

4. The Process of Being Born Again

Though only God can initiate and fulfill the new birth, Scripture shows human participation in the sense of repentance from sin and faith in Jesus Christ. This process may be outlined:

1. Conviction of Sin: One recognizes personal sin and spiritual need.

2. Repentance: A heart-felt turning away from sin and turning to God (Acts 3:19).

3. Faith in Christ: Trusting in Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection for forgiveness and eternal life (Romans 10:9-10).

4. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit: The Spirit indwells, seals, and regenerates (Ephesians 1:13-14).

Comparisons are made throughout Scripture between physical birth and spiritual birth. Just as an infant enters a new realm of existence through birth, so the believer enters a new realm of spiritual life through the Holy Spirit’s regenerating work.

5. Evidence and Fruit of the New Birth

A born again individual reveals transformation in heart, attitude, and behavior. While works do not produce salvation, they are the result of salvation:

• Change in Desires: A growing love for God, Scripture, and one’s neighbors (Matthew 22:37-39).

• Desire for Holiness: Ongoing sanctification is fueled by the Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:15-16).

• Love for Other Believers: An outworking of genuine regeneration (1 John 3:14).

• Fruit of the Spirit: Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

6. Historical Consistency and Manuscript Witness

Ancient manuscripts uphold the teaching on spiritual rebirth. Early papyri fragments such as the Rylands Library Papyrus P52 (dated as early as the first half of the second century) demonstrate that John’s Gospel (where Jesus teaches about being “born again”) was reliably transmitted from an early date. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, while they predate the New Testament, their preservation of Old Testament texts confirms the consistent message of human sinfulness and God’s plan of redemption, which is eventually fulfilled in Christ’s offer of new birth.

Early Christian leaders through the centuries wrote extensively about this transformation. Church Fathers like Justin Martyr (2nd century) and Irenaeus (2nd century) emphasized the life-altering nature of the faith, pointing to the power of the Holy Spirit in genuine conversion. This consistent historical thread supports the unchanging definition of “born again” laid out in Scripture.

7. Philosophical and Behavioral Implications

From a behavioral standpoint, being born again reshapes a person’s worldview and ethics. Genuine faith yields tangible changes in conduct and overall life priorities:

• Renewed Mindset: Romans 12:2 declares, “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”

• Christ-Centered Life Purpose: Life ceases to be solely about self, focusing instead on glorifying God and serving others.

• Moral and Emotional Transformation: The Holy Spirit helps believers overcome destructive habits, replacing them with godly character traits.

8. Relationship to Baptism

Though baptism itself does not cause the new birth, it is a command of Christ that symbolizes and confesses outwardly the inner transformation (Romans 6:4). Several biblical examples, such as the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:36-38), show that baptism is an immediate and public identification with Christ once faith has been placed in Him. This demonstration of faith does not replace the spiritual reality of regeneration, but testifies visibly to what God has already done in the heart.

9. The Centrality of Christ’s Resurrection

Integral to the new birth is Christ’s resurrection, which guarantees the believer’s hope of spiritual life. As 1 Peter 1:3 notes, this new birth is grounded in “the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” Early documents like the testimonies of Josephus (though brief) and the multiple attested gospel accounts underscore that Jesus was crucified and widely proclaimed risen, forming the historic basis for the Christian faith. For Christians, the resurrection power that raised Christ also brings believers from spiritual death to life (Ephesians 2:5-6).

10. Summary and Conclusion

A “born again Christian” is defined by a supernatural experience of spiritual rebirth granted by God through faith in Jesus Christ.

Scripture consistently describes this new birth as essential for entry into God’s kingdom. It addresses the universal problem of sin by introducing a personal, inward transformation that manifests outwardly in good works, spiritual growth, and a changed lifestyle.

While the doctrine finds its primary foundation in Scripture, archaeological discoveries and ancient manuscript evidence confirm that its core teachings have been reliably preserved.

The new birth is not just an abstract concept; it bears observable fruit in the believer’s life, rooted in Christ’s resurrection. This assures believers of both present spiritual vitality and future eternal hope.

Those who respond to God’s call in repentance and faith experience this transforming work. It is at once deeply personal and universally necessary, defining the essential identity of anyone professing to be a follower of Christ.
 
I say -----What Doesn't Define a Born again Person FOLKS Is ---A Man Made Religion Called Christianity --

NOTE: This is only for those who May be interested to know What Born Again Really Means -----Most on here will not be interested to know ----but there may be some LUKERS out there that just may want to know --------this is for them -----


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What defines a born again Christian?

1. Understanding the Term “Born Again”

The phrase “born again” comes primarily from John 3:3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

The original Greek term translated as “again” (anóthen) also conveys the sense of being born “from above.”

This highlights the divine origin of this second birth, distinguishing it from any mere earthly or physical transformation.

Being “born again” refers to a spiritual regeneration whereby a person, by faith in Christ, is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and experiences a profound inward change.

This concept is central to understanding one’s relationship with God-new life and the indwelling Spirit become the defining marks of a true follower of Christ.

2. The Scriptural Foundation


• John 3:3-8: Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus illustrates that this new birth is by the Spirit: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, but that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6).

• 1 Peter 1:3: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”

• 2 Corinthians 5:17: “Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!”

These passages emphasize that regeneration is an act of God. While one responds in faith,
it is the Holy Spirit who accomplishes the internal transformation.

3. The Necessity of Regeneration


The reason this new birth is necessary can be traced to humanity’s fallen condition.

Scripture teaches that every person is spiritually dead before coming to faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:1-2), and no one can bridge the gap between God’s holiness and human sinfulness through good works alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). Thus, a supernatural renewal is required:

• Titus 3:5: “[God] saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.”

• Spiritual deadness implies an inability to please God through one’s own efforts, highlighting the absolute necessity of the Spirit’s work.

4. The Process of Being Born Again

Though only God can initiate and fulfill the new birth, Scripture shows human participation in the sense of repentance from sin and faith in Jesus Christ. This process may be outlined:

1. Conviction of Sin: One recognizes personal sin and spiritual need.

2. Repentance: A heart-felt turning away from sin and turning to God (Acts 3:19).

3. Faith in Christ: Trusting in Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection for forgiveness and eternal life (Romans 10:9-10).

4. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit: The Spirit indwells, seals, and regenerates (Ephesians 1:13-14).

Comparisons are made throughout Scripture between physical birth and spiritual birth. Just as an infant enters a new realm of existence through birth, so the believer enters a new realm of spiritual life through the Holy Spirit’s regenerating work.

5. Evidence and Fruit of the New Birth

A born again individual reveals transformation in heart, attitude, and behavior. While works do not produce salvation, they are the result of salvation:

• Change in Desires: A growing love for God, Scripture, and one’s neighbors (Matthew 22:37-39).

• Desire for Holiness: Ongoing sanctification is fueled by the Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:15-16).

• Love for Other Believers: An outworking of genuine regeneration (1 John 3:14).

• Fruit of the Spirit: Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

6. Historical Consistency and Manuscript Witness

Ancient manuscripts uphold the teaching on spiritual rebirth. Early papyri fragments such as the Rylands Library Papyrus P52 (dated as early as the first half of the second century) demonstrate that John’s Gospel (where Jesus teaches about being “born again”) was reliably transmitted from an early date. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, while they predate the New Testament, their preservation of Old Testament texts confirms the consistent message of human sinfulness and God’s plan of redemption, which is eventually fulfilled in Christ’s offer of new birth.

Early Christian leaders through the centuries wrote extensively about this transformation. Church Fathers like Justin Martyr (2nd century) and Irenaeus (2nd century) emphasized the life-altering nature of the faith, pointing to the power of the Holy Spirit in genuine conversion. This consistent historical thread supports the unchanging definition of “born again” laid out in Scripture.

7. Philosophical and Behavioral Implications

From a behavioral standpoint, being born again reshapes a person’s worldview and ethics. Genuine faith yields tangible changes in conduct and overall life priorities:

• Renewed Mindset: Romans 12:2 declares, “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”

• Christ-Centered Life Purpose: Life ceases to be solely about self, focusing instead on glorifying God and serving others.

• Moral and Emotional Transformation: The Holy Spirit helps believers overcome destructive habits, replacing them with godly character traits.

8. Relationship to Baptism

Though baptism itself does not cause the new birth, it is a command of Christ that symbolizes and confesses outwardly the inner transformation (Romans 6:4). Several biblical examples, such as the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:36-38), show that baptism is an immediate and public identification with Christ once faith has been placed in Him. This demonstration of faith does not replace the spiritual reality of regeneration, but testifies visibly to what God has already done in the heart.

9. The Centrality of Christ’s Resurrection

Integral to the new birth is Christ’s resurrection, which guarantees the believer’s hope of spiritual life. As 1 Peter 1:3 notes, this new birth is grounded in “the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” Early documents like the testimonies of Josephus (though brief) and the multiple attested gospel accounts underscore that Jesus was crucified and widely proclaimed risen, forming the historic basis for the Christian faith. For Christians, the resurrection power that raised Christ also brings believers from spiritual death to life (Ephesians 2:5-6).

10. Summary and Conclusion

A “born again Christian” is defined by a supernatural experience of spiritual rebirth granted by God through faith in Jesus Christ.

Scripture consistently describes this new birth as essential for entry into God’s kingdom. It addresses the universal problem of sin by introducing a personal, inward transformation that manifests outwardly in good works, spiritual growth, and a changed lifestyle.

While the doctrine finds its primary foundation in Scripture, archaeological discoveries and ancient manuscript evidence confirm that its core teachings have been reliably preserved.

The new birth is not just an abstract concept; it bears observable fruit in the believer’s life, rooted in Christ’s resurrection. This assures believers of both present spiritual vitality and future eternal hope.

Those who respond to God’s call in repentance and faith experience this transforming work. It is at once deeply personal and universally necessary, defining the essential identity of anyone professing to be a follower of Christ.
The new birth, unsafe, is God's sovereign act. The Spirit gives life according to His will. Faith and repentance flow from the new heart He gives.

Christ established His Church. Scripture commands believers to gather together, worship, and encourage one another. Let's not dismiss Christ's body that He purchased with His own blood.

"It depends on God, who has mercy." (Rom 9:16)

In the end, a born-again person's someone whom God's graciously brought from death to life in Christ
 
What is interesting is that there are 2 births available ---Physical and Spiritual
And there are 2 Deaths available ------Physical and Spiritual ------

Now the Physical Birth and Physical Death is out of our Human control --all we know is we are born Physically and at some point we will die Physically ---

We did not ask to be born nor were we able to pick where --when and to whom we were being born to -----we are just born -----

Physical death is going to Happen ---we cannot stop it ----it is a certainty -----


What we do have control over and can make a personal decision about is to whether we want to partake in the 2nd Birth --Spiritual--- and the 2nd Death --Spiritual ----that decision is entirely up to us---
 
"We did not ask to be born nor were we able to pick where --when and to whom we were being born to -----we are just born -----" - unsafe

How do you know this to be true?
 
How do you know this to be true?
How do you know it is not true ??????----Did you ask God to be born ----did you tell God when you wanted to be born ---how you wanted to be born ---and what family you wanted to be born into ---God sets the time for that ---not us -----and that is Scriptural -

Who sets the TIME there Jaebius ----you ----don't think so ------

Ecclesiastes 3​

A Time for Everything​

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
 
How do you know it is not true ??????----Did you ask God to be born ----did you tell God when you wanted to be born ---how you wanted to be born ---and what family you wanted to be born into ---God sets the time for that ---not us -----and that is Scriptural -

Who sets the TIME there Jaebius ----you ----don't think so ------

Ecclesiastes 3​

A Time for Everything​

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
The time I agree on, unsafe, other things I'm less sure of. Where does Scripture say that God doesn't converse with us prior to birth?
 
One thing that defines birth ... is you know the non cooperating will cause a death somewhere ... that's violence, hatred, etc. Generates the fall of national institutions regularly ... in timely waves ... generally unseen and sacred ... they never see it coming as power blinds ...

Fallout?
 
I asked first
well I replied first ---so answer my Question -----:ROFLMAO:

think about this If we are ask about our Birth then you implying that we have or our soul has always been in heaven with God -----so if that is the case where do all the souls reside in heaven -----answer that ---:ROFLMAO:


What does the Bible say about the pre-existence of souls?​

The Bible says nothing about the pre-existence of souls because this is a man-made idea with no basis in truth.

The Bible makes it clear that every human being is a unique creation of God (Genesis 2:7; Zechariah 12:1; Jeremiah 1:5). Each unique human soul begins at conception (Psalm 139:13–16; Isaiah 44:24) and will continue forever because we are created as eternal beings (Genesis 9:6; Isaiah 40:28; Matthew 25:46).

The concept of pre-existence cannot be followed to its logical conclusion. Pre-existence means one of three things: (1) the soul has always existed, (2) the soul was created at a previous time and waited, incorporeal, until it could inhabit a body on earth, or (3) the soul inhabited another body in the past and transmigrated to its current body. If (1) is true and souls have always existed, then human beings are also part of God, uncreated and self-determined. This concept is clearly contrary to the Bible’s claims that there is no other God but Yahweh (Genesis 5:1; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 4:12; Malachi 2:10; 1 Corinthians 8:5–6). If (2) is true and a soul waited in a heavenly nursery prior to earthly birth, then Genesis 2:7 is wrong: “The Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” The words “man became” indicate a definite beginning in which Adam’s soul and body came to life at the same time. If (3) is true, and a soul inhabited another body in a bygone era, then at what point was the soul created and for what purpose? The Bible is clear that each person will answer for his or her own life (Revelation 20:13; Romans 2:6; Jeremiah 32:19). When the previous body died, where did the soul go? Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.” This applies to everyone.
 
Well, that's an interesting discussion. Sort of. A lot depends on your view of reality.

Those who believe in reincarnation of some form (e.g. most Indian traditions) would be quite at home with the idea of conversing with God prior to birth. And with being "born again" for that matter, though they understand it in a very different way than @unsafe and others in evangelical Christian streams.

Hearing the idea of prebirth conversations in a Christian context, which usually postulates a "one and done" life ending in rebirth on the Judgement Day or in an afterlife, is a bit more unusual but not unheard of.

From my standpoint, we have no say in our conception or birth, so I guess I'm kind of with @unsafe on that point. Given that there is something like an average 20% chance of conception per attempt (varying with time of the woman's cycle and other factors), even parents by and large don't. They can rut like horny bunnies and still take month or years to conceive. So it's all timing and circumstances (note, I am not saying it is random, just that the factors affecting conception are complex so therefore it is not reliably predictable). Using IVF or similar can improve things by giving more control over some of those variables, but those are still not 100% per cycle. And that's all before we deal with all the variables that go into carrying that conception to a successful birth (I forget, for instance, what percentage of zygotes fail to implant or spontaneously abort so early that the woman doesn't even know it happened).

As for being "born again", I find it an interesting concept. Metaphorically, it denotes a new start, and a new attempt at living one's life. Someone can be "born again" metaphorically without the literal meaning found in Christianity. I have a story that kind of, sort of goes there but it might never be finished. But the literal Christian rebirth, the idea that accepting Christ makes one a new person is actually a powerful idea conceptually. It's just that I meet a lot of "born again" people who don't come across to me as having actually been changed much by the experience which gives me doubt as to whether it really is a thing. Perhaps in cases where an someone not of a Christian background or outlook embraces Christianity after a life-changing experience, it fits. But I find there are a lot of "born again" Christians for whom it just seems to be another religious checkbox, not a real change.
 
In writing ... a story, myth, etc. can come back as a metaphor or a whole raft of similarities ...

Thus the adage that only the story goes on because the real part goes off as the reality loses its mind and thus nothing there but the essence of the story as a phantom or tincture ... of absinthe which is a trace of that compound in alcohol. It forms a cloud as it ouzos into water ... and also into the pool of mind ...

Could it be muddied thought ? Some of this information about licorice might cause some to flip out. Then ink too, is a suspension and not a true solution ... so inked creation can cause panic ... or that' how I see the story,=.
 
well I replied first ---so answer my Question -----:ROFLMAO:

think about this If we are ask about our Birth then you implying that we have or our soul has always been in heaven with God -----so if that is the case where do all the souls reside in heaven -----answer that ---:ROFLMAO:


What does the Bible say about the pre-existence of souls?​

The Bible says nothing about the pre-existence of souls because this is a man-made idea with no basis in truth.

The Bible makes it clear that every human being is a unique creation of God (Genesis 2:7; Zechariah 12:1; Jeremiah 1:5). Each unique human soul begins at conception (Psalm 139:13–16; Isaiah 44:24) and will continue forever because we are created as eternal beings (Genesis 9:6; Isaiah 40:28; Matthew 25:46).

The concept of pre-existence cannot be followed to its logical conclusion. Pre-existence means one of three things: (1) the soul has always existed, (2) the soul was created at a previous time and waited, incorporeal, until it could inhabit a body on earth, or (3) the soul inhabited another body in the past and transmigrated to its current body. If (1) is true and souls have always existed, then human beings are also part of God, uncreated and self-determined. This concept is clearly contrary to the Bible’s claims that there is no other God but Yahweh (Genesis 5:1; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 4:12; Malachi 2:10; 1 Corinthians 8:5–6). If (2) is true and a soul waited in a heavenly nursery prior to earthly birth, then Genesis 2:7 is wrong: “The Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” The words “man became” indicate a definite beginning in which Adam’s soul and body came to life at the same time. If (3) is true, and a soul inhabited another body in a bygone era, then at what point was the soul created and for what purpose? The Bible is clear that each person will answer for his or her own life (Revelation 20:13; Romans 2:6; Jeremiah 32:19). When the previous body died, where did the soul go? Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.” This applies to everyone.
There's room for humility, unsafe, where Scripture's not explicit.

Passages like Jeremiah 1:5 ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you") and Ephesians 1:4 ("He chose us in Christ before the world's foundation") point to a reality in which God's knowledge and love for His people existed before our birth.

Personally, I'm open to the possibility that there are aspects of our origin and God's eternal purposes that we don't fully grasp yet
 
Those who believe in reincarnation of some form (e.g. most Indian traditions) would be quite at home with the idea of conversing with God prior to birth.
Well here is one for you ----in Judaism apparently they believe there is a place where souls are kept until Birth ----another thing they made up and put in the Talmud ------they call it the Guff ----


What is the guff?​

The guff is a term the Talmud uses to refer to the repository of all unborn souls. The Talmud is the Jewish commentary on the Torah, or the Old Testament, and especially the first five books of the Bible known as the Pentateuch. Jewish tradition states that the Talmud began as oral teachings handed down from Moses that were eventually completed sometime between the 4th and 2nd century B.C.

Literally, the word guff means "body." The Talmud essentially says, "The Messiah will not arrive until there are no more souls in the guff.” The Talmud is saying that there are a certain number of souls in heaven waiting to be born. Until they are born, they wait in a heavenly repository called "the guff," and the Messiah will not arrive until every single one of these souls has been born into the physical world.

Is the idea of the guff biblical? No, it is not.

Neither the Hebrew Scriptures nor the New Testament teach that there is a storehouse of souls in heaven. The Bible does not teach that souls are waiting to be attached to bodies when people are born.


The Bible is not explicitly clear on when/how human souls are created, but the concept of the guff does not agree with what the Bible does teach about the origin of the soul.

It is far more biblical to hold that God creates each human soul at the moment of conception, or that the human soul is generated along with the body through the physical-spiritual union of conception.
 
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Personally, I'm open to the possibility that there are aspects of our origin and God's eternal purposes that we don't fully grasp yet
You can be open to whatever you like ---it matters not to me -----that scripture doesn't say that we have a choice in our Birth ----Period ----

You need to be careful what you open your mind to there Jaebius -----

Maybe you believe in the Guff -----where souls are stored -----now that is having an open far out mind in my view ----- :ROFLMAO:
 
Well, that's an interesting discussion. Sort of. A lot depends on your view of reality.

Those who believe in reincarnation of some form (e.g. most Indian traditions) would be quite at home with the idea of conversing with God prior to birth. And with being "born again" for that matter, though they understand it in a very different way than @unsafe and others in evangelical Christian streams.

Hearing the idea of prebirth conversations in a Christian context, which usually postulates a "one and done" life ending in rebirth on the Judgement Day or in an afterlife, is a bit more unusual but not unheard of.

From my standpoint, we have no say in our conception or birth, so I guess I'm kind of with @unsafe on that point. Given that there is something like an average 20% chance of conception per attempt (varying with time of the woman's cycle and other factors), even parents by and large don't. They can rut like horny bunnies and still take month or years to conceive. So it's all timing and circumstances (note, I am not saying it is random, just that the factors affecting conception are complex so therefore it is not reliably predictable). Using IVF or similar can improve things by giving more control over some of those variables, but those are still not 100% per cycle. And that's all before we deal with all the variables that go into carrying that conception to a successful birth (I forget, for instance, what percentage of zygotes fail to implant or spontaneously abort so early that the woman doesn't even know it happened).

As for being "born again", I find it an interesting concept. Metaphorically, it denotes a new start, and a new attempt at living one's life. Someone can be "born again" metaphorically without the literal meaning found in Christianity. I have a story that kind of, sort of goes there but it might never be finished. But the literal Christian rebirth, the idea that accepting Christ makes one a new person is actually a powerful idea conceptually. It's just that I meet a lot of "born again" people who don't come across to me as having actually been changed much by the experience which gives me doubt as to whether it really is a thing. Perhaps in cases where an someone not of a Christian background or outlook embraces Christianity after a life-changing experience, it fits. But I find there are a lot of "born again" Christians for whom it just seems to be another religious checkbox, not a real change.
The Bible, Mendalla, repeatedly speaks of God knowing us before we existed. Choosing His people before the world's foundation. Ordaining our days before one of them came to be.

I don't think human life begins as a meaningless accident. In some great way, our lives were present in God's heart and purpose before we entered the world.

On being "born again," the new birth's a work of God's Spirit in the heart. Often the change's quiet and gradual
 
You can be open to whatever you like ---it matters not to me -----that scripture doesn't say that we have a choice in our Birth ----Period ----

You need to be careful what you open your mind to there Jaebius -----

Maybe you believe in the Guff -----where souls are stored -----now that is having an open far out mind in my view ----- :ROFLMAO:
Being open to a question, unsafe, isn't the same as embracing every possible answer. I'm simply acknowledging that there are some things Scripture leaves largely unexplained.

For me, the interesting question's what it means that God knew us before we were born. Ordained our days. Chose us before the world's foundation. Those truths point to a reality that's deeper than what we can fully grasp.

I hold two things together. Confidence where Scripture's clear. Humility where it's not
 
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