TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[unsafe]

Why Israel's Netanyahu Likened Trump to King Cyrus in the Oval Office

Mar 5, 2018

 

[Northwind]

That's two years old @unsafe How does it apply to today? What are your thoughts on the president standing in front of the church with a bible?

 

[revsdd]

Seems God has a Spiritual meaning for numbers -----and 45 is included -----

Prophetic Numbers in Scripture

Prophetic Numbers in Scripture The Way Prepared Yahuweh Himself considers numbers and counting as very important, and He tells us why we should do the same: So teach us to number our days, that we …

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Prophetic Numbers in Scripture

45 Provision / Protection / Preservation by Yahuweh;


I say--- interesting sequences here?-----Could Sound about right for how Donald Trump got to be President to me ------So we have the number 45--- spiritual meaning--- Sheltered by God ----We have King Cyrus sheltered by God in Isaiah 45-who Trump is compared with------and ----we have 45th President--- Trump------Just saying --

It's actually in Isaiah 44 that we read "I am the Lord ... who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd.'" Thus, proof straight from the Bible that Barack Obama (#44) was actually God's shepherd.

 

[unsafe]

All I am saying is ------who are we to Judge Trump and what what is going on in this world ---Just may be God is in charge here

 

[Mendalla]

All I am saying is ------who are we to Judge Trump and what what is going on in this world ---Just may be God is in charge here

Which is exactly the kind of attitude we need less of. Let go and let God just isn't a valid response when violence and oppression are happening. And God will judge Trump in his way and time, but right now it is the voters' judgement that matters. And I hope that judgement is based on more than bad historical analogies and surrendering to the alleged "will of God".

 

[unsafe]

My view on bashing and trashing - Trump ------

But here again ---If God wants Trump in that Position for another 4 years ----Humans will fail to remove him ----So it is not all about the voters -----God is sovereign and what God wants to be in place will be ---Voters will have nothing to say about it -----Trump never should have gotten in at all in the first place ---but he did ----Why is that ??????------Well he gave the Jews back Jerusalem as Capital of Israel ------ No other President would do that ------Was God Involved in that --We Don't Know ----Who are we to say He wasn't ---The Truth is we don't know ----so we can continue to bash and trash Trump all we want to but IF GOD DID put Trump in there for His purpose ----Chaos Trump will in fact remain there till God has His will done ------

Just maybe God put him there to shake up the political system there ---which he is doing well -----who knows ---God does ---we don't

So right now with all that is going on in the USA --I personally think Trump is running scared about this election coming up -----But the Proof will be in the pudding when Nov comes around ---will Trump stay in or will he be out -------we don't know ----

But God does know----- and that is the Real truth here Folks ---

 

[Ritafee]

But God does know----- and that is the Real truth here Folks ---

Moses’ “Charter for Kingship” in Deuteronomy 17:14–20 ...

Rulers are to function as servants of their people.

To guard against the predominant megalomaniacal paradigm ... Moses focused on the personal character of the king.

In short, the primary function of the 'Shepherd' was to be a model citizen.

People should look up to the 'Shepherd' and declare, “I want to be like that person!”

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep” (John 10:11; cf. Eph 5:25b).

 

[Northwind]

Just maybe God put him there to shake up the political system there ---which he is doing well -----who knows ---God does ---we don't

That would be the only reason to suggest god chose him.

So right now with all that is going on in the USA --I personally think Trump is running scared about this election coming up -----But the Proof will be in the pudding when Nov comes around ---will Trump stay in or will he be out -------we don't know

I agree. As a narcissist, he likely can't stand when he can't control the narrative. I've felt he's heading for a meltdown. Perhaps we're seeing the beginning of that. Time will tell.

We can challenge injustices while also trusting god. We cannot just roll over and let it happen.

 

[Redbaron]

This is just wrong in so many ways. Teargassing peaceful protesters out of the way so that His Narcissism can get a photo op. Isn't God more about lifting up the lowly and bringing down the proud and arrogant?

About That Photo Op In Front Of St. John's Church About That Photo Op

Having watched the spectacle of President Trump’s photo op in front of St. John’s Church in Washington DC yesterday, I’m somewhat at a loss for words. YetPresident Trump went to a lot of trouble to give a photo op in front of St. John's church. What message was it supposed to convey?

www.patheos.com

 

[unsafe]

Here is the divide -------my view

So what Trump is doing with his rhetoric is dividing ----now some feel it is good ---some feel it is bad ------there will always be division in society -----

This Bible in Trumps hand is again divided in it's interpretation -----some see it as good ---some see it as bad ----there is no peace or love in division there will always be conflict ------

For me personally the Bible raising I prefer to see it as God's word Stands in all that is going on in the world today -----the person raising the Bible ---I don't know Trump personally and I don't know where his heart lies -----God does ----

We Humans have taken God's word in my view and set it on our Home Shelves to collect dust -----we have removed God from our lives and world and we see the results -----So raising the Bible for me Represented ----God is here Folks ---this represents Love --peace ---joy --harmony -----pick it up and read it -------If Trump used it for his gain and misused it in any way ----God will dealt with That -----

It all depends on how one wants to view what he did ---We have a choice to choose where we want to stand on the divide line ------ choosing a side is our right by God's Grace to do so -----


This is from The Atlantic

POLITICS
The Christians Who Loved Trump’s Stunt
The president’s photo op outside St. John’s Church was emblematic of his appeal to the religious right.

The Christians Who Loved Trump’s Stunt

The president’s photo op outside St. John’s Church was emblematic of his appeal to the religious right.

www.theatlantic.com

Thi is from Maclean's
Donald Trump, a Bible, and blasphemy
Michael Coren: The U.S. president had peaceful protestors tear-gassed so he could pose at a church holding a book that roars love, peace and justice

Donald Trump, a Bible, and blasphemy - Macleans.ca

Michael Coren: The U.S. president had peaceful protestors tear-gassed so he could pose at a church holding a book that roars love, peace and justice

www.macleans.ca

 

[Northwind]

It all depends on how one wants to view what he did ---We have a choice to choose where we want to stand on the divide line ------ choosing a side is our right by God's Grace to do so -----

I agree. We have to live with our choices and pray we've made the right choice. My hope is that someone who does something like holding a bible up is also walking the walk. I don't see that with the president, which is a concern.

 

[revsdd]

All I am saying is ------who are we to Judge Trump and what what is going on in this world ---Just may be God is in charge here

We are not to "judge" in the sense of making judgements about a person's eternal destiny or fate. I grant that. But we are surely called to judge their actions and decide whether they are or are not sincere in their expressions of faith.

Matthew 7:15-20:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

Is this not an invitation to use spiritual discernment for the purpose of identifying those who are false prophets, or perhaps to identify the legitimacy of those who claim or are claimed by others to be God's servants?

 

[Waterfall]

We are not to "judge" in the sense of making judgements about a person's eternal destiny or fate. I grant that. But we are surely called to judge their actions and decide whether they are or are not sincere in their expressions of faith.

Matthew 7:15-20:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

Is this not an invitation to use spiritual discernment for the purpose of identifying those who are false prophets, or perhaps to identify the legitimacy of those who claim or are claimed by others to be God's servants?

Amen

 

[unsafe]

revsdd ------you said ---- But we are surely called to judge their actions and decide whether they are or are not sincere in their expressions of faith.

With all do respect I say -----Well I agree with this statement ---it is for Righteous Judgment from one Born again believer to another ------A brother or sister in Christ -----but then we are to be careful how we Judge as well --we are to judge wisely and with Love and gentleness so as not to condemn ---so we don't sin ourselves ----


Is Donald Trump a born again Christian -----????????? you might know that revsdd --I don't ----

here is what this says ----

Galatians 6 (GW)
Help Carry Each Other’s Burdens

6 Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong.
Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted.

2 Help carry each other’s burdens. In this way you will follow Christ’s teachings.

3 So if any one of you thinks you’re important when you’re really not, you’re only fooling yourself.

4 Each of you must examine your own actions. Then you can be proud of your own accomplishments without comparing yourself to others. 5 Assume your own responsibility.


Also ----Paul says ----Christians should have no business judging unbelievers -----verse 12 ---13 below

I say ------why would we ---their behaviour is different than what Believers should be ------the Faith of a non believer is different from a Believer -----or it should be in my view -----

1 Corinthians 5 (GW)
How to Treat Christians Who Live Like Non-Christians

. 11 Now, what I meant was that you should not associate with people who call themselves brothers or sisters in the Christian faith but live in sexual sin, are greedy, worship false gods, use abusive language, get drunk, or are dishonest. Don’t eat with such people.

12 After all, do I have any business judging those who are outside the Christian faith?
Isn’t it your business to judge those who are inside?

13 God will judge those who are outside. Remove that wicked man from among you.


And as far as the scripture on Matthew 7 is talking about preachers who preach God's word ----as far as I know Trump doesn't preach to others God's word ------Is Trump a Preacher ? --------


Greek word for False Prophet

Strong's Concordance
pseudoprophétés: a false prophet

Definition: a false prophet
Usage: a false prophet; one who in God's name teaches what is false.



My opinion here -- there are many --many False Prophets teaching today -----

So revsdd --if you feel it is OK to judge Trump's Faith deeds --then that is your right to do so ------as I said we have a choice to be on the side of the divide we choose -----


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[Graeme Decarie]

Hey! Why all this picking on revsdd? His position seems perfectly reasonable.

 

[Redbaron]

@unsafe So by your reckoning, Ahab and Jezebel were divinely appointed king and queen of God's people. What great plans did God have for them? How did they help carry out God's mission and purpose?
Just because someone finds themself in a high position (remember the turtle on a fencepost story I'm sure we've all heard by now) DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN God meant to place them there.

 

[Mendalla]

@unsafe So by your reckoning, Ahab and Jezebel were divinely appointed king and queen of God's people. What great plans did God have for them? How did they help carry out God's mission and purpose?
Just because someone finds themself in a high position (remember the turtle on a fencepost story I'm sure we've all heard by now) DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN God meant to place them there.

Remember, unsafe is pre-determinist. She thinks God has a hand in everything that happens. Or so it seems.

 

[Redbaron]

Ah yes, the micro-manager God. Forgot about that.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

There is a strong tradition in that country of admiring people who go "off script" or "stick to the man" and he manages to give the illusion of doing that while actually being "the man". I mean, seriously, he's a rich white guy in the White House. He's no counter-cultural icon. He's just knows the game and is playing it well and a certain segment, not all of them right-wing whackos, are eating it up. This is reality TV at its finest.

But most of them are right wing whackos.

 

[ninj]

Ah yes, the micro-manager God. Forgot about that.

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