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Kimmio said:
i don't think it's a good thing to do - but to police it is an invasion of privacy. Like, using racist and sexist words in private conversation at home - that can't be policed - even though I don't think that kind of conversation is cool. Verbal threats of violence, even private, are illegal. They are not and shouldn't be a fundemental right.
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Do you think that someone should be allowed to write hateful things (note not illegal things) on their own private blog that no one else can see?
 
Inannawhimsey said:
Do you think that someone should be allowed to write hateful things (note not illegal things) on their own private blog that no one else can see?
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Yes. Like a diary. Like a private place to vent. Like including it in a fictional novel or movie or other artistic expression (which are intended to be viewed) happens all the time and don't think should be censored. But why would they put it in an Internet blog, online, if they didn't want anyone at all to read it?

Clarify (without hateful words) what type of hateful speech is actually illegal already in Canada? My understanding is that using racist slurs and misogynist slurs directed at a person or group of persons in a public space as far as I know is already illegal. Add perceived threats too - then it especially is. I don't understand why that's just not common sense and why people just don't do it. Then it wouldn't have to be censored. If you just let the hate speech fly it raises ire, hateful ideas spread like cancer - and can have real world consequences.
 
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So Scott Adams teaches Master Persuader techniques, and he's a hypnotist - and he tries to persuade people that they are in some delusional bubble (forgot his buzzword for it already - yay!) but he's not a master persuader/ manipulator. Got it.

Actually I distinctly recall him mentioning somewhere sometime that the reason he knows so much about master persuaders is because he is one. I will try to find it.
 
The Scott Adams blog post that Inanna had up earlier is by definition, gas lighting. And "45" has been gas lighting the USA constantly - with calling every news piece that criticizes him fake news, by telling the country that he didn't say things he was recorded saying, etc. it's like Trump created a whole other universe for Trump's supporters who are so brainwashed that no other information will get through - and no other information except what Trump endorses could possibly be true...step outside of that and Trumpsters will think those people are traitors.

And Scott Adams relentlessly promotes his buzzwords like confirmation bias and mass hysteria bubble and he says things like "next, I am going to teach you..." Like a cult guru. Watch the pendulum. Repeat after me.

In this blog post he literally screws with peoples' heads by telling them that if they believe certain things they are in a mass hysteria bubble and they are hallucinating! That is gas lighting by definition! And then he says, " the cool thing is, if you're hallucinating you can't fact check what I'm saying." ...what a manipulator!

So, he uses gas lighting and hypnosis techniques to get people to question their sanity if they don't believe what he's saying... tells them that they're likely delusional - hallucinating, actually, which is an even stronger suggestion - and because that's the case they can't fact check (or test his hypothesis). He said he wouldn't support Trump because he felt threatened in California. How the hell do we know that he didn't vote for Trump? To me that just sounds like reverse psychology - brainwashing again. People hear, "Better vote for Trump because of those threatening SJWs who are after our guru, Scott."

In "teaching" his master persuader techniques what he's actually accomplishing is persuading people to support Trump, to support misogyny and whatever alt-right ideas he wants to manipulate them to support. And of course if they don't he will make them believe they are hallucinating in a mass-hysteria-confirmation-bias-whatever-bubble somewhere. When really, the opposite is true.

And, Inanna - when you say my efforts to debunk and/ or denounce Scott Adams are to be blamed on my anxiety, you are gas lighting as well. Stop. I don't know if you are aware you're doing it, if you do it deliberately or if Scott Adams has you programmed. Whatever the case, stop.

Scott Adams' Blog
 
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Kimmio said:
Clarify (without hateful words) what type of hateful speech is actually illegal already in Canada?
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Helpful summary from a CBC news article a few years ago:

The Criminal Code of Canada says a hate crime is committed to intimidate, harm or terrify not only a person, but an entire group of people to which the victim belongs. It applies when the victims are targeted for who they are, not because of anything they have done, and can involve intimidation, harassment, physical force or threat of physical force against a person, a group or a property.

In Canada it’s also a crime to incite hatred. Under Section 318 of the Criminal Code, it is a criminal act to "advocate or promote genocide" — to call for, support, encourage or argue for the killing of members of a group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
Section 319 deals with publicly stirring up or inciting hatred against an identifiable group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. It is illegal to communicate hatred in a public place by telephone, broadcast or through other audio or visual means, but the same section protects people from being charged with a hate crime if their statements are truthful or the expression of a religious opinion.

The mischief section, 430, covers hate-motivated mischief and religious property. It provides for harsher sentences than mischief involving other property.

Prior to 2003, Canada’s Criminal Code protected people on the basis of race, religion, ethnic origin, colour, gender and disability. On April 29, 2004, the federal government passed Bill C-250 to amend the Criminal Code, adding penalties for inciting hatred against people on the basis of sexual orientation.

'The section of the code on sentencing (718.2) encourages judges to consider whether the crime was motivated by hate of the victim's race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or any other similar factor.

Under Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act it is a "discriminatory practice" to send hate messages via telecommunications equipment, including the internet.
 
Climate science skeptic debunkers, debunking Scott Adams:

A Perfect (Twitter) Storm

I like the heading of this paragraph...

Down the Rabbit Hole, then a Hard Right

"...Scott Adams blog...an utterly bizarre world of anti-logic where 'Persuasion' is the dog whistle of choice. I would describe his blog as the authoritarian version of Lewis Carol meets the Beatles on acid. The rhetoric is hard and absolute, not to be challenged, whilst the logic is non-linear, rejecting basic ideas like the existence of reality.

None of Adam's concepts are supported in any manner. He produces no research tied to it. There is no rigorous method applied to rationalize it. It's little more than cultish ramblings validated by a small loyal following acquired through his previous success as a cartoonist."

Mic drop...

Of course climate science denying is also persuasive to Trump's base.


 
Mendalla said:
You might say Steve got Bannon-ed from the White House. :D
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Can we be safe from such common commentary when people rush rite into it without proper intelligence of what goes on in dark hierarchies? Driven, in linguistics, by the other heretics ... those with the hairy words about what they can do ... when perhaps they can't due to social collapse ... fallacy? Seems true to me ... thus cyber BS extends ... as a through off of Cyl'n ... that Greek rogue put down ... in primal cyl'n Cis ...
 
Kimmio said:
I just want to put this out there...it's a year old, but this is why I do not like Scott Adams and won't bother to pay attention to his views or his buzzwords (he is a hypnotist/ master persuader - his buzzwords are red flags that he is "persuading" his audience):

How the creator of 'Dilbert' became the hero of the Trump subreddit | The Daily Dot
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The mental conflict that one has to go through ... to see the human race is too quick about the emotional side ...

How can the powers stop them or at least slow them to a ratiocination ... derived from racine in the old franc word suggesting finding roots and bier in it ... instead of being in the bear's fancy ... somewhat consumed by the peculiar flow of life? It goes from sublime to ridiculous in no time ...
 
revsdd said:
Helpful summary from a CBC news article a few years ago:

The Criminal Code of Canada says a hate crime is committed to intimidate, harm or terrify not only a person, but an entire group of people to which the victim belongs. It applies when the victims are targeted for who they are, not because of anything they have done, and can involve intimidation, harassment, physical force or threat of physical force against a person, a group or a property.

In Canada it’s also a crime to incite hatred. Under Section 318 of the Criminal Code, it is a criminal act to "advocate or promote genocide" — to call for, support, encourage or argue for the killing of members of a group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
Section 319 deals with publicly stirring up or inciting hatred against an identifiable group based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. It is illegal to communicate hatred in a public place by telephone, broadcast or through other audio or visual means, but the same section protects people from being charged with a hate crime if their statements are truthful or the expression of a religious opinion.

The mischief section, 430, covers hate-motivated mischief and religious property. It provides for harsher sentences than mischief involving other property.

Prior to 2003, Canada’s Criminal Code protected people on the basis of race, religion, ethnic origin, colour, gender and disability. On April 29, 2004, the federal government passed Bill C-250 to amend the Criminal Code, adding penalties for inciting hatred against people on the basis of sexual orientation.

'The section of the code on sentencing (718.2) encourages judges to consider whether the crime was motivated by hate of the victim's race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or any other similar factor.

Under Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act it is a "discriminatory practice" to send hate messages via telecommunications equipment, including the internet.
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Oh Gutte Goths can you imagine the abuse that goes on in house?
 
It's a big mistake to concentrate on Trump.
1. millions voted for him. How did that happen?
2. Trump still comes nowhere close to his predecessors as an indiscriminate mass murderer.
3. Hatred? Just about every president in American history has pedalled hatred - for native peoples all the way up to Muslims.
Trump is not the problem.
The problem is the loss of direction of the American people - and that's been going on for a while. The problem
is the greed and the lack of any morality on the part of the wealthy -- a problem also very evident in Canada.
The problem is our willingness to be led into hatred - and that's been going on for a long time.
Bill Clinton was as bad as Trump - or worse. Bush was definitely worse - and he got reelected. Obama's major policies, with the exception of obamacare, were very similar to those Bush. (And even Obamacare was less that it appeared to be. It actually increased the profits of the health business.
The U.S. is in collapse and there is very, very little sign of it saving itself. Expect some extreme violence within the U.S., and expect more aggression on the rest of the world.
And we are next door. And the U.S. wants us to take part in its wars because it needs the window dressing of our support. (And also because we create profits for the U.S. war industry.) And Justin is playing along with that.
Impeach Trump? Assassinate him? Neither will make the slightest difference.
Capitalism has been allowed to run wild. It has been allowed to control governments. It has been allowed to set foreign policy. It has been allowed to ignore taxation with the result we have to pay for its wars. (also true in Canada). Greed has been allowed to run wild. No civilized society can survive that.

Oh? Trump is crazy to speak of inflicting fire and fury on North Korea? An earlier president didn't just speak of it, he killed some 30% of the North Korean population. And, in a campaign bombing that exceeded the total of bombing against Japan, he destroyed almost every standing building.

And Canada was expected to join in.

And why did the U.S. want to bomb North Korea? Because it was attacking the South? No. (It was attacking the south at the time - but so was the south attacking the north. It was mutual.) Did we attack North Korea to bring democracy? No. Both north and south were dictatorships. And both were still dictatorship after the war.

The reason then and now was to create a North Korean wasteland as a staging point for an assault on China. Remember Truman firing McArthur? The reason became public just recently - and was largely ignored by our news media. Truman wanted to use nuclear bombs to destroy North Korea (and the Chinese army that was in it.) Even McArthur thought that was a bit much.

The prize then as now was China. It didn't begin with Trump. The American desire for world conquest began in 1945.

The American people are, of course, largely unaware of this. A world that never really existed has quite publicly vanished. The change today is that so many Americans know that what they believed in is gone. But they don't have any alternative.

Yes. Trump is an ass. But he did not create the problem.

Oh, a footnote to that. With the exception of the now elderly who grew up in war and then in the horrible wreckage that was left, the North Korean people have a much higher rate of literacy than Canada does - or the U.S. Funny how our news media never mention that.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
It's a big mistake to concentrate on Trump.
1. millions voted for him. How did that happen?
2. Trump still comes nowhere close to his predecessors as an indiscriminate mass murderer.
3. Hatred? Just about every president in American history has pedalled hatred - for native peoples all the way up to Muslims.
Trump is not the problem.
The problem is the loss of direction of the American people - and that's been going on for a while. The problem
is the greed and the lack of any morality on the part of the wealthy -- a problem also very evident in Canada.
The problem is our willingness to be led into hatred - and that's been going on for a long time.
Bill Clinton was as bad as Trump - or worse. Bush was definitely worse - and he got reelected. Obama's major policies, with the exception of obamacare, were very similar to those Bush. (And even Obamacare was less that it appeared to be. It actually increased the profits of the health business.
The U.S. is in collapse and there is very, very little sign of it saving itself. Expect some extreme violence within the U.S., and expect more aggression on the rest of the world.
And we are next door. And the U.S. wants us to take part in its wars because it needs the window dressing of our support. (And also because we create profits for the U.S. war industry.) And Justin is playing along with that.
Impeach Trump? Assassinate him? Neither will make the slightest difference.
Capitalism has been allowed to run wild. It has been allowed to control governments. It has been allowed to set foreign policy. It has been allowed to ignore taxation with the result we have to pay for its wars. (also true in Canada). Greed has been allowed to run wild. No civilized society can survive that.

Oh? Trump is crazy to speak of inflicting fire and fury on North Korea? An earlier president didn't just speak of it, he killed some 30% of the North Korean population. And, in a campaign bombing that exceeded the total of bombing against Japan, he destroyed almost every standing building.

And Canada was expected to join in.

And why did the U.S. want to bomb North Korea? Because it was attacking the South? No. (It was attacking the south at the time - but so was the south attacking the north. It was mutual.) Did we attack North Korea to bring democracy? No. Both north and south were dictatorships. And both were still dictatorship after the war.

The reason then and now was to create a North Korean wasteland as a staging point for an assault on China. Remember Truman firing McArthur? The reason became public just recently - and was largely ignored by our news media. Truman wanted to use nuclear bombs to destroy North Korea (and the Chinese army that was in it.) Even McArthur thought that was a bit much.

The prize then as now was China. It didn't begin with Trump. The American desire for world conquest began in 1945.

The American people are, of course, largely unaware of this. A world that never really existed has quite publicly vanished. The change today is that so many Americans know that what they believed in is gone. But they don't have any alternative.

Yes. Trump is an ass. But he did not create the problem.

Oh, a footnote to that. With the exception of the now elderly who grew up in war and then in the horrible wreckage that was left, the North Korean people have a much higher rate of literacy than Canada does - or the U.S. Funny how our news media never mention that.
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I see a glimmer of light in the dark - as Geofee suggests. People are waking up and learning - especially about what we don't want to happen - and trying to unravel what's going on now, too see it more clearly. The Trump administration in chaos could be the beginning of something better? It could go either way - but why not for the better?
 
Bannon departs – but ‘Trump whisperer’ could have more influence from outside

This crossed my mind the other day...that maybe Bannon will still be unofficially advising Trump. I found it weird that two days before he called up and gave an interview (which he says he didn't know was on record) to an MSM paper calling the alt-right supremacists losers. When he helped create or embolden them. Something's fishy about that. He is a Master Manipulator.
 
Why not? Because the something better has to come from the American people. There's very little sign that it will. To make it worse, it would take an extremely violent period to overthrow the big money that runs the U.S.
 
I think for the long run Trump is being an agent of big change, but a in direction totally unbeknownst to him. Get evil out into the open and let's deal with it. Festering under the surface, like it has for such a long time now, selfishness and evil is like a cancer in our society.

Who knows, maybe this change will catch on globally and humanity will finally see the end of "oligarchy" around the world. Imagine, a world where the best of interest is focussed on everyone, and not just the rich and powerful. Sounds like heaven on earth to me.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Why not? Because the something better has to come from the American people. There's very little sign that it will. To make it worse, it would take an extremely violent period to overthrow the big money that runs the U.S.
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Or a another depression.....can't seem to understand how a country that owes in the trillions but seems to focus on the DOW going up means they are somehow without debt......
 
If something better tries, remember - the armed forces and the police and all the apparatus of the state are under the control of the very, very wealthy. They have killed millions, created poverty for millions, and they're not likely to back off now.

This has been going on for a long time. And there is little sign the American people have even begun to think of what has to be achieved.
 
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