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Ritafee
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The real reasons the United States wants a war in Syria:
"Historically, the United States went to war to protect business. After decades of serving as the world’s police force, war is business in the United States. While this may seem simplistic, a quick look at the most outspoken proponents of the war reveals that almost all of them are current shareholders in large defense contractors.
There are certainly scores of US corporations awaiting their share of the contracts to rebuild a demolished Syria, but the major winners will be the defense contractors and the US government itself, which is in desperate need of a foreign enemy to unite the US population.
Whether in support of the rebels or to attack them, the US business machine that controls foreign policy will find a way to embroil the US fighting man in a war in Syria. The only thing that will stop that war and loss of life is the outcry of " ...
We The People.
"Historically, the United States went to war to protect business. After decades of serving as the world’s police force, war is business in the United States. While this may seem simplistic, a quick look at the most outspoken proponents of the war reveals that almost all of them are current shareholders in large defense contractors.
There are certainly scores of US corporations awaiting their share of the contracts to rebuild a demolished Syria, but the major winners will be the defense contractors and the US government itself, which is in desperate need of a foreign enemy to unite the US population.
Whether in support of the rebels or to attack them, the US business machine that controls foreign policy will find a way to embroil the US fighting man in a war in Syria. The only thing that will stop that war and loss of life is the outcry of " ...
We The People.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Negotiating ceasefires has been done so children can receive vaccinations. In 2007, in honor of the International Day of Peace, UNICEF was able to broker a three-day ceasefire in Afghanistan during which 1.4 million children were vaccinated against polio.
Most civilian deaths occurred after 2007; UNAMA records more than 17,700 civilian deaths from 2009 to 2014 ... but at least they didn't die from polio.
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Graeme Decarie
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Sorry. that should have been a million Iraqis.
But be careful. We are being set up.
But be careful. We are being set up.
Anyone who would use a warm-hearted joke as an opportunity to insult needs to be told to jump back.
Graeme Decarie
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The US has been funding Muslim terrorist groups starting back with with the russian invasion of Afghanistan in, I think the 1980s.
It has also been funding, equipping and training them all over the middle east. Most of the Syrian 'rebels' against Assad are not syrian at all. They are from Muslim extremist groups. The U.S. created that 'civil' war.
You have to understand that oil is far the world's most valuable mineral. The British murdered large numbers of people to get control of oil in World War 1. That's the story of the romantic "Lawrence of Arabia". US companies have been killing their way through the middle east to get world control of oil. It began with the overthrow of the elected government of Iran over fifty years ago when the American/British invaders created a dictatorship in that country. That greed for the profits of oil is why oil industry leaders lead the way in insisting climate change isn't happening.
If you want villains, they aren't Syrians or Iraqis or Yemenis. They are the murderers we call business leaders. The U.S. has now destroyed stability in the whole region. Those people will never recover. They are being murdered, starved, refugeed to please Trump's fat friends in the business world. Almost every modern war I know of was fought to steal wealth from other countries. That was a major factor in world wars one and two. Ordinary people get tombstones and medals from the taxpayers In fact, they died because of their corporate bosses. And the taxpayers paid the cost of the wars to help the rich avoid taxes.
Forget the bilge about Assad and Syria. I don't know whether Assad is evil. I do know the Bible says Thou shalt not kill - and it does not add "unless the other side is evil."
Forget the personalities. The reality is that the U.S. has, for at least forty years, been the most murderous and thieving country in the world. it is a nation run on pure greed. So, for the most part, is Canada.
I keep waiting for our churches to catch on to that.
And I do know that what is happening in Syria is no business of mine or the U.S.
If you think it is our business, may I suggest we stage an invasion to kill the murderers who control the U.S?
And let's not have any more babbling about what a sweetheart Obama was. He was a killer with the worst of them.
Do owe have the courage to recognize what we have become?
People assume that Saddat has that gas that killed those children. In fact, we don't know. But we do know that some terrorist groups (financed by the U.S.) have it. Almost all the information we are getting is coming from highly prejudiced sources (to put it mildly). And all the reporting is being loaded with prejudicial adjectives and adverbs.
We are being set up.
And please, when you see a newspaper quoting the Syrian Observatory on Human Rights, take the time to find out what that is. It's a propaganda house. And when your news agency quotes it, have the intelligence to be insulted that your news agency is lying to you.
Canadian troops are nearby in Iraq. There is every possibility our boot-licking government will commit them to whatever develops in Syria.
This whole thing is very dangerous. Consider this possibility. The U.S. recognizes that Russia and China are growing faster than it is. It recognizes that if it doesn't go to war now, it will never be able to. So it wants a war with them. Now.
We're not dealing with decent people. We're dealing with the most murderous people in the world - big time business leaders.
It has also been funding, equipping and training them all over the middle east. Most of the Syrian 'rebels' against Assad are not syrian at all. They are from Muslim extremist groups. The U.S. created that 'civil' war.
You have to understand that oil is far the world's most valuable mineral. The British murdered large numbers of people to get control of oil in World War 1. That's the story of the romantic "Lawrence of Arabia". US companies have been killing their way through the middle east to get world control of oil. It began with the overthrow of the elected government of Iran over fifty years ago when the American/British invaders created a dictatorship in that country. That greed for the profits of oil is why oil industry leaders lead the way in insisting climate change isn't happening.
If you want villains, they aren't Syrians or Iraqis or Yemenis. They are the murderers we call business leaders. The U.S. has now destroyed stability in the whole region. Those people will never recover. They are being murdered, starved, refugeed to please Trump's fat friends in the business world. Almost every modern war I know of was fought to steal wealth from other countries. That was a major factor in world wars one and two. Ordinary people get tombstones and medals from the taxpayers In fact, they died because of their corporate bosses. And the taxpayers paid the cost of the wars to help the rich avoid taxes.
Forget the bilge about Assad and Syria. I don't know whether Assad is evil. I do know the Bible says Thou shalt not kill - and it does not add "unless the other side is evil."
Forget the personalities. The reality is that the U.S. has, for at least forty years, been the most murderous and thieving country in the world. it is a nation run on pure greed. So, for the most part, is Canada.
I keep waiting for our churches to catch on to that.
And I do know that what is happening in Syria is no business of mine or the U.S.
If you think it is our business, may I suggest we stage an invasion to kill the murderers who control the U.S?
And let's not have any more babbling about what a sweetheart Obama was. He was a killer with the worst of them.
Do owe have the courage to recognize what we have become?
People assume that Saddat has that gas that killed those children. In fact, we don't know. But we do know that some terrorist groups (financed by the U.S.) have it. Almost all the information we are getting is coming from highly prejudiced sources (to put it mildly). And all the reporting is being loaded with prejudicial adjectives and adverbs.
We are being set up.
And please, when you see a newspaper quoting the Syrian Observatory on Human Rights, take the time to find out what that is. It's a propaganda house. And when your news agency quotes it, have the intelligence to be insulted that your news agency is lying to you.
Canadian troops are nearby in Iraq. There is every possibility our boot-licking government will commit them to whatever develops in Syria.
This whole thing is very dangerous. Consider this possibility. The U.S. recognizes that Russia and China are growing faster than it is. It recognizes that if it doesn't go to war now, it will never be able to. So it wants a war with them. Now.
We're not dealing with decent people. We're dealing with the most murderous people in the world - big time business leaders.
Graeme Decarie
Well-Known Member
Waterfall, it's possible they're all bad guys. We were certainly the bad guys in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. And we have no right whatever to interfere in anybody else's affairs. The other sides could have bad guys, too. There aren't many good guys out there.
Graeme Decarie
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Waterfall - alas, the U.S has never been the world policeman. not even in Korea. All of its wars have been fought for American business interests. That includes the revolution, the slaughter of native peoples, the civil war..... And, yes, it also includes World War Two. The same was true of the wars of the British Empire, the French empire, etc.
And, in all cases - to the best of my knowledge - the churches have gone along with it.
And, in all cases - to the best of my knowledge - the churches have gone along with it.
BetteTheRed
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Graeme, there's an important piece missing in your analysis of the Syrian civil war, and that's the impact of the drought on politically de-stabilizing the whole region. It's ironic that the war over oil in the region has been exacerbated by the climate effects of our overuse of said oil.
Well it should matter which "bad guy" the US supports. Are the rebels still the same ones who were fighting against Assad during the Arab Spring or have they become a part of ISIS? Because it seems we are being led to believe that Assad is the bad guy, which of course will give the US a chance to destabilize Syria even further by removing him. Have we not learned anything from Iraq, which is still a mess after the US interfered with it's people and government. Assad has killed his own people but so have the rebels. If the US has not been supporting Assad then they must be supporting the rebel army which has also morphed into including ISIS (is that correct?), so in a way the US is now overtly supporting ISIS instead of covertly, in order to get rid of Assad but in effect actually supporting the group that they claim brought down the twin towers. Am I reading this right?
I am impressed with Congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard's attempting to talk with Assad in January by trying to understand Assads position, not so much to place blame but to promote peace. Unfortunately, it may be hard to hear her voice with all of the commotion resulting from the recent airstrikes.
Graeme Decarie
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Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
9:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013
Some 16 years of American invasions have destabilized much the world - especially in the middle east, Africa, and latin America.
Invasion doesn't work. The tens of millions of refugees will NEVER have normal lives.
The 'rebels' are almost all the same as those who attacked the World Trade Centre. They are jihadist terrorists, the ones we are taught to hate even as we supply them with weapons and training. Our good friend and ally, Saudi Arabia, has been very friendly with jihadists- and it, too, was mixed up in the attack on the world trade centre. And we Canadians, through our fearless leader, justin Trudeau, is happily selling armoured cars to the Saudis so they can kill the starving people of Yemen.
I despair of ever finding any good guys.
✔@realDonaldTrump
We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
9:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013
Some 16 years of American invasions have destabilized much the world - especially in the middle east, Africa, and latin America.
Invasion doesn't work. The tens of millions of refugees will NEVER have normal lives.
The 'rebels' are almost all the same as those who attacked the World Trade Centre. They are jihadist terrorists, the ones we are taught to hate even as we supply them with weapons and training. Our good friend and ally, Saudi Arabia, has been very friendly with jihadists- and it, too, was mixed up in the attack on the world trade centre. And we Canadians, through our fearless leader, justin Trudeau, is happily selling armoured cars to the Saudis so they can kill the starving people of Yemen.
I despair of ever finding any good guys.
Hmmm, I wonder why the US left the airstrips intact when they used their missiles? Will they need them?
And if the US is accusing Russia of being complicit in the Syrian chemical attacks, why did the US warn Russia ahead of time about the missile attacks?
And if the US is accusing Russia of being complicit in the Syrian chemical attacks, why did the US warn Russia ahead of time about the missile attacks?
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Graeme Decarie
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Waterfall - sorry, I missed one of your posts. I don't know who the original rebels in Syria were. I don't know anyone who does know. but the majority now are jihadists.
(Funny how nobody ever asks how the original rebels got their weapons. They almost certainly got them from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. The evil that the U.S. saw in Assad was his insistence on Syria controlling its own oil. That's why the U.S. hates Iran, and that's why it attacked Iraq and Libya, and now Syria.
In the midst of this chaos, Israel hopes to get chunks of Lebanon and Syria. Turkey, too is eager to be in on the kill.
Never underestimate the importance of oil to the wealthy, It's immensely profitable - and they have no intention of sharing that profit with the people who live there. It's going to get really ugly as oil reserves drop.
Greed can make people not only murderous, but stupid.
(Funny how nobody ever asks how the original rebels got their weapons. They almost certainly got them from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. The evil that the U.S. saw in Assad was his insistence on Syria controlling its own oil. That's why the U.S. hates Iran, and that's why it attacked Iraq and Libya, and now Syria.
In the midst of this chaos, Israel hopes to get chunks of Lebanon and Syria. Turkey, too is eager to be in on the kill.
Never underestimate the importance of oil to the wealthy, It's immensely profitable - and they have no intention of sharing that profit with the people who live there. It's going to get really ugly as oil reserves drop.
Greed can make people not only murderous, but stupid.
I just read that the annual Easter Egg roll on the White House lawn was not planned/ was largely forgotten and is being thrown together last minute.
No, it's not of geopolitical importance, but it's a 138 yr old tradition that attracts many thousands of kids and their parents. It would be sad if it fell apart. It shows that the White House operations are in chaos.
No, it's not of geopolitical importance, but it's a 138 yr old tradition that attracts many thousands of kids and their parents. It would be sad if it fell apart. It shows that the White House operations are in chaos.
Graeme Decarie
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Well, it might be an honest sign. Easter is associated with Christian belief. And there's none of that in the white house.