TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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In politics, we almost never look for the qualities that are essential. Whether a politician can write a book or look good in a suit or give a great speech has nothing to do with his or her ability to lead.

The key issues we should look for are the candidate's principles, moral values, social standards..... Offhand, I would have a hard time naming many politicians who would survive such an examination.
I don't mention church membership or attendance here because some of the great scoundrels and murderers of history have been self-proclaimed Christians - people like Bush, Richard Nixon, Adolph Hitler.
But we most certainly look at principles, moral values and social standards. And use those to evaluate the person. I've noticed that almost never happens in this Christian site.
 
Jae said:
Trump is a business tycoon, billionaire, published author, actor (films and television), and nutbar.
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He's a charlatan, a huckster and a filmflam man. The American people have been duped and now they have the makings of another Hitler in office.
 
Neo said:
He's a charlatan, a huckster and a filmflam man. The American people have been duped and now they have the makings of another Hitler in office.
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No, I don't think he's another Hitler. More like another Goering.
 
Oh well, if he's like Goering that's okay.
The U.S. has had Hitlerian presidents for a long time. That's why it has killed so many millions over the last seventy years.
Take a good look at Hitler. He was very similar to American presidents of the last seventy years (and earlier). who -
1. built up hatreds against people that American business wanted the U.S. to attack.
2. murdered people by the millions for economic advantage.
3. ignored international law by invading countries illegally.
4. diverted heavy spending to weapons.
5. committed war crimes.

In fact, ever since 1776, the U.S. has been building an empire very much like the old, British empire - with all the cruelty and exploitation that suggests. It began with slavery, mass murder of native peoples and annexation of their land, a failed assault on Canada, an assault on Mexico that stole most of its land, invasions and exploitation all over Latin America - then to The Phillipines and to Africa and the middle east.
 
Graeme - he is and he isn't like those people you mention. First, he is not a career politician. He made his way to fame through reality TV. He is a billionaire but not the same as the other billionaires, either. The one thing I would agree with POntifex about is that we need to look at this through a different lens than just history and politics - we have to add "reality TV" (and social media while we're at it) to the perspective and realize the ways in which the media (in general, not focused on "the press" only) is being manipulated to obscure perceptions of reality. It is not the MSM "news" that is the biggest carrier of propaganda. It is not "the mainstream press" that is the biggest problem.They have new competition. Enter Trump. Master manipulator, stranger than fiction personality, and reality TV King. The way in which he may be similar to the dictators of history is that he seems to have borrowed some from their ideological play books - or a couple of his advisors have...maybe it's not his doing. But he is a character. A characateur. The real Trump can't stand up because - with his personality type - who knows who that really is? Does he even know? This presidency is all about the personality of this president. He is different from any other. History cannot entirely be a guide, I don't think. This is new territory.
 
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BetteTheRed said:
What is new territory? The capture of the imagination of 'the masses' by a charismatic figure? Not new, it's simply a caricature, and an ugly one, of the figureheads of the past.
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That's not new, true. But the method is new and needs to be taken into account because it's powerful. Graeme's still thinking "old media" is the biggest perpetrator of the problem. If anything they're cleaning up their act. Hopefully not too little, too late.

(Sp. caricature wrong. I new that didn't look right but I didn't bother checking.)

I don't think he's exactly like figureheads past and I adamantly disagree that he is just the same as Obama or Hillary with worse hair. I think his personality is a big part of the puzzle - and that with better friends he'd actually do better things because the one thing that is certain is that he longs to be admired - whether he is permanently ideologically racist and sexist - I am having my doubts. He's probably messed up and behaved like a prat but I don't think that it's ideologically driven. I have changed my mind a little on that - I don't think he has an ideology, unlike figureheads before him. He's driven by attention and he wants good attention. I a couple think his advisors might have ideologies more complex than he's considered - but if they were replaced the ideology could change too.
 
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GeoFee said:
leg·er·de·main

lejərdəˌmān/ conjuring, magic, wizardry;
More formal prestidigitation;
rare thaumaturgy

"stage magicians practicing legerdemain"​
  • deception; trickery.
  • synonyms: trickery, cunning, artfulness, craftiness, chicanery, skulduggery, deceit, deception, artifice

    "a piece of management legerdemain"
The powers and principalities presiding over the present age are playing the masses. Pay attention to the clown who keeps popping up no matter who knocks him down. All while the "inside traders" deal themselves a winning hand. Nothing like war profits to stimulate failed economies. All while the majority of Church leaders cheer on the tyrants to save their temple economies and the material advantage secured by those who fund them.

To quote my companion, inspiration and mentor along the way: "Repent. The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

George
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The clown is a sad clown, I think. If said sad clown were born poor and displayed such poor social graces one might be apt to pity him - feed him, cloth him, teach him, care for him. Since said clown was born with a silver spoon, nobody pities him. However, something is missing. The sad clown is empty. What would the sad clown need to be a kind and jovial clown? What would Jesus do - how would Jesus heal this human being, this sad clown - besides giving basic sustenance (because that is not what is missing for this person)? What happened for him to become this way? I guess what I am thinking right now - my question is - how many sad clowns might we encounter that are empty - their hunger and thirst deeper than the need for food and water - yet also need food and water (but that is not all)? Yet, this celebrity sad clown has never been in need of food and water but perhaps he's not so different? Maybe he's not a tyrant yet, he's just hanging around the wrong crowd. Just like the street kid from abusive parents, who is not really a criminal yet -or never really wanted to be if he is - but the gangsters are the only ones giving him the time of day.
 
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That scene is a metaphor for:Trump University, mistaking being admired for Love and feeling for others, and the Purple Heart incident. Trump is the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion trinity - all wrapped up in one Wizard.
 
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