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chansen said:
That Trump is seriously down in the polls with those demographics is not a matter of opinion.
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Seriously down in the polls chansen? I guess it would depend on how you want to define "seriously." The poll results I've seen show him doing quite well against Clinton - although she is slightly in the lead.

chanson said:
...but you clearly use that supposed support to incite other people to anger. Monk doesn't do that.
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First, I don't do that. I accept that as being your perception (your much-repeated perception), but you're wrong. Second, why are you even bringing @monk into our discussion? I haven't said monk tries to incite other people to anger. Indeed, I can't recall saying anything about monk, and he and I have not been discussing anything.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Seriously down in the polls chansen? I guess it would depend on how you want to define "seriously." The poll results I've seen show him doing quite well against Clinton - although she is slightly in the lead.



First, I don't do that. I accept that as being your perception (your much-repeated perception), but you're wrong. Second, why are you even bringing @monk into our discussion? I haven't said monk tries to incite other people to anger. Indeed, I can't recall saying anything about monk, and he and I have not been discussing anything.
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Just like @Kimmio 's much-repeated perception that I am angry - is wrong - but she keeps accusing me of it. I wonder if she is trying to make me angry ?:cautious:

chansen said: ↑
That Trump is seriously down in the polls with those demographics is not a matter of opinion.

It is a matter of who is conducting the polls and to what purpose?
 
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monk said:
Just like @Kimmio 's much-repeated perception that I am angry - is wrong - but she keeps accusing me of it. I wonder if she is trying to make me angry ?:cautious:
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Well you keep repeating some of the most absurd talking points out there - and they are angry. Alex Jones is an angry man, Breitbart is an angry biased site, Fox has had the fear and anger and divisiveness set to overdrive for years. Trump is as angry as they come. And he uses words like "Crooked Hillary"... Sometimes shortened to "Crooked" and all sorts of other angry hyperbole. That those sites and sources are your info source, and then you repeat it in bold and all caps sometimes...makes you sound angry, too.
 
I associate those sources with anger and divisiveness (not to mention skilled propaganda con-artistry, and they are driving the ire of Trump's base) ... So when they are repeated and posted seriously - not as a joke - that is what is conveyed.
 
Trump has left the rest of the world leaders thinking that rude ,ugly language is okay. Global News

wouldn't repeat it but CNN had no qualms. President Obama was called a "Son of a Whore"
Barack Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore'
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The Guardian‎ - 2 hours ago
 
Kimmio said:
Monk, stop shilling for Trump by buying into what his media cabal - that includes Alex Jones, Drudge, Breitbart, Ailes from Fox, etc. have decided you should believe and all information to the contrary is part of the global agenda. You are brainwashed. You went on a search for the truth and got your mind caught in their snare. You're too good a person to listen to and follow that hateful junk. They've been peddling it for years.

I doubt Hillary is the second worst candidate in history. Only the second worst since we've had Internet. And she's the only candidate with an organization that for decades has been dedicated to taking her and her family down and making everything into a scandal. She deserves a fair trial and she's not getting one. She's been trolled for years. The fallout of that will be on the people if Trump gets in because of it.

I can't vote. I am not an American. But I am not morally supporting Jones' shilling for Trump nonsense.
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I don't know how to respond to this ... possibly you have already been compromised ... I give up on having a rational conversation with you.
 
Hi...

Paulo Friere is helpful in his notice of the oppressor oppressed relationship. The oppressed turn against one another in frustration rather than confront their oppressors with active withdrawal as creative resistance.

We are a community divided in opinion. This is perfect when that division is addressed by critical inquiry and evaluation. It falls far short of perfection when the division is expressed as motive guessing and label assigning. This shortfall indicates the degree to which politics has polluted and defiled our human potential.

To say politics is necessary is to deny the ordered cosmos in which we are formed by principles tending towards harmony. We are not required to do more in order to recover the failure of harmony now expressed every day every where. We would do better to do less. The disciplined withdrawal of persons from the diversions and distractions of the political realm governed by persons proficient in capitalizing on the vulnerability of others.

It matters not one wit whether Hilary or Donald obtains the presidential authority. To take the political discourse seriously, as some here do, is to be lost in the ideologies of liberal democracy under the sign of capital interest.

Mythologically.... Jesus says no to that which is affirmed by Herod (politics) and Ciaphas (religion).

George
 

"... I give up on ..." Various persons above in various ways.

"Never give up! Never give up! Never give up!" Winston Churchill
 
Just checked and this is what Winston actually said:

"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense."
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George
 
GeoFee said:
Just checked and this is what Winston actually said:

"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense."
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George
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(Winston tastes good, like a cigarette should.)
 
post script:

"Jesus says no to that which is affirmed by Herod (politics) and Ciaphas (religion)."

This is the reason Jesus is murdered as a rebel and a heretic. You see folk were dropping out and the political and religious powers were losing their grip. Just like present religious and political persons lose their grip when persons abandon one social economy to embrace another; Exodus from everyone for themself and journey to all of us in it together.

George​
 
But Herod was not one of the people elected by the people. We are all in it together now. But ancient rulers were not democratic.

What we have now - a global community and in democracies a democratic infrastructure from the local to the federal level means that people CAN peacefully affect change. You are going to have a few bad apples in any system. Even, and especially, if the last one is ripped down and in chaos. What you are proposing is just another human system. I think people in North Korea and other places in the world would be very grateful to have what has evolved here. A multicultural place, with generally fair rules and a social system...it does go askew and need adjusting from time to time but we are fortunate - and we can change it. And the American people can get the money lobby out of politics if they participate peacefully and constructively. Not overnight. Have patience.
 
Pr. Jae said:
chansen said:
That Trump is seriously down in the polls with those demographics is not a matter of opinion. And I don't need to accuse you of trolling to dismiss you. Facts do that for me. You can back Trump all you want, but you clearly use that supposed support to incite other people to anger. Monk doesn't do that.
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Seriously down in the polls chansen? I guess it would depend on how you want to define "seriously." The poll results I've seen show him doing quite well against Clinton - although she is slightly in the lead.
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With the listed demographics, which is a point there you conveniently ignored. He makes up ground with white males. Typically, I think you use tactics like ignoring key points like that to make people mad. You're not stupid, you're just a troll.

Pr. Jae said:
chansen said:
You can absolutely put me on ignore, and/or report me to council. I'm not the only one to pick up on the pattern, but go ahead and try. Council may not like my methods, but few will doubt my motives, or my take on yours. When you go for the angry reaction, I figure the best thing to do is point out what you're doing so people don't get sucked in. Most would just ignore you, but that's not my thing. I don't like being in someone else's game.
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Pr. Jae said:
First, I don't do that. I accept that as being your perception (your much-repeated perception), but you're wrong. Second, why are you even bringing @monk into our discussion? I haven't said monk tries to incite other people to anger. Indeed, I can't recall saying anything about monk, and he and I have not been discussing anything.
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Again, misdirection to get me angry. Everyone can read that I'm just using monk as an example of an actual Trump supporter who doesn't do what you do.

If you're on a reporting post spree, go ahead and report me. I'm not saying anything that a lot of people here aren't thinking. Maybe my trolldar gives off a few false positives, but I really don't think so here. Something is making you attempt to provoke more than usual again, and it's a cycle we've all seen before.
 
"But ancient rulers were not democratic." Kimmio

Hi Kimmio,

You assume that we are a democracy. It is what we have heard from our infancy. All while the manipulators of commerce seduced a clear majority to abdicate the responsibilities of a citizen and "sign on" to the duties of production and consumption.

I admire your hope and your progress along the way of dialogue. We are not here to determine who is right and who is wrong. We are here to support and encourage one another in the maturation of character manifest as respectful truthfulness in word and deed. By this way we may discover who it is we each truly are and what we may truly accomplish. Always having in mind that one life lives in us all.

George
 
chansen said:
With the listed demographics, which is a point there you conveniently ignored. He makes up ground with white males. Typically, I think you use tactics like ignoring key points like that to make people mad. You're not stupid, you're just a troll.


Again, misdirection to get me angry. Everyone can read that I'm just using monk as an example of an actual Trump supporter who doesn't do what you do.

If you're on a reporting post spree, go ahead and report me. I'm not saying anything that a lot of people here aren't thinking. Maybe my trolldar gives off a few false positives, but I really don't think so here. Something is making you attempt to provoke more than usual again, and it's a cycle we've all seen before.
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Reported.
 
chansen said:
You're not stupid, you're just a troll.

Something is making you attempt to provoke more than usual again, and it's a cycle.
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Hi... Defining a person's intention is risky business. The "troll" boundary is easily crossed. Also wise to not add weight to a position by indicating "a lot of people" in agreement. Better to speak one's own mind and respect, which does not require agreement, the listener's mind.

Better not to bite the bait than belittle a fisher for provoking you to it.

George
 
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