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GeoFee said:
Hi Waterfall..

This may not be the place to explore this line of thought but it is worth exploring. It seems to me that the gospel writers represent Jesus exercising the authority of God outside the structures of religious and political power by which people and land are being governed (exploited and oppressed). Does his baptism not signify withdrawal (death) from one way of being in the world and engagement (resurrection) by another way. I see this made plain in the temptation narratives where the ruler of this world (power) offers Jesus opportunity for the exercise of power. Jesus says no.

If you like, perhaps you might indicate where you see Jesus exercising a form of the "power" option?

George
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You're right, this is probably not the thread to discuss this.

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The USA is, in fact, the military arm of the new world order.

Just as the City of London has functioned as the world headquarters for the financial arm of the NWO, and Vatican City has functioned as the religious headquarters for the NWO, Washington, DC has functioned as the military headquarters for the NWO.

Surely you have read or heard by now that each of these city states was set up as an autonomous political entity so that no one could control them except their masters within the global control matrix .

When you understand this reality, you can clearly understand all that has taken place with the US of A for the past hundred years.

The more energy we give to a highly flawed candidate. (Trump included) that will do as they are told to do - the more we will reap what we sow.

This is the power of CONSENT.

I have tried to make the point - which you will not receive - that if you vote for a criminally insane psychopath, you also become culpable for their war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocides, etc.

The granting of one's consent is a funny thing. I count my 'lucky stars' that I understand this and have withdrawn my consent.

Your continued consent of officials having a well-established track record of criminality puts the responsibility for their actions on your shoulders.

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All this propaganda sucks. Take a photo that captured a snapshot of someone you don't like in an unflattering pose, put some words to it, and send it out like it's some sort of meme. Idiotic. It only plays to your base. It makes you look stupid to everyone else.

Hillary Clinton broke laws. She tried to get around having her emails made part of the public record by using a private server, which was dumb on multiple levels. And if it weren't for the Republicans nominating the worst nominee in history, she wouldn't stand a chance in the general election. This could literally be a race between the worst candidate in history against the second worst. It's that bad.
 
Seems to me that what Clinton was really guilty of was not hiring good enough IT consultants.

Don't get me wrong Clinton, represents Wall Street, of which the power of the corporation is a huge threat to our freedoms, as can be seen with the likes of Monsanto or Enbridge. But what Trump represents is all of that and something much more insidious. Who would've thought we would see another Hitler rise in our own time.
 
Monk, stop shilling for Trump by buying into what his media cabal - that includes Alex Jones, Drudge, Breitbart, Ailes from Fox, etc. have decided you should believe and all information to the contrary is part of the global agenda. You are brainwashed. You went on a search for the truth and got your mind caught in their snare. You're too good a person to listen to and follow that hateful junk. They've been peddling it for years.

I doubt Hillary is the second worst candidate in history. Only the second worst since we've had Internet. And she's the only candidate with an organization that for decades has been dedicated to taking her and her family down and making everything into a scandal. She deserves a fair trial and she's not getting one. She's been trolled for years. The fallout of that will be on the people if Trump gets in because of it.

I can't vote. I am not an American. But I am not morally supporting Jones' shilling for Trump nonsense.
 
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Neo said:
Seems to me that what Clinton was really guilty of was not hiring good enough IT consultants.
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NO. She should not have used her own email server, period.

The Hillary side only looks good because Trump is the opposition. This is a clusterfark, and both parties should be embarrassed. Republicans need to completely clean house. They are sunk with young people, atheists, women, latinos, blacks, and the university-educated. None of which are going away, and most of those demographics are growing.
 
chansen said:
...Republicans need to completely clean house. They are sunk with young people...
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"...Donald Trump can win over young voters. Yes, that's right: the supposed bigot, who, according to the mainstream media, hates women and minorities, actually has a shot at capturing the millennial vote.... Capturing the youth vote won't be easy. Trump will need to strategically play up his assets that are appealing to young people, and spread the right message in a snappy, out-of-the box way. And a smart Vice President pick will also go a long way to help dispel accusations that Trump is a racist bigot. But given the uniqueness of this presidential election -- coupled with a bureaucratic, unlikable opponent -- Trump very well may shock the political experts like he did in the Republican Primary. "

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...79653-yes-really-trump-can-win-the-youth-vote
 
chansen said:
NO. She should not have used her own email server, period.

The Hillary side only looks good because Trump is the opposition. This is a clusterfark, and both parties should be embarrassed. Republicans need to completely clean house. They are sunk with young people, atheists, women, latinos, blacks, and the university-educated. None of which are going away, and most of those demographics are growing.
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I totally agree on both points. Do you think she was trying to avoid the government email servers for a reason? (I haven't followed the story that closely)
 
Pr. Jae said:
"...Donald Trump can win over young voters. Yes, that's right: the supposed bigot, who, according to the mainstream media, hates women and minorities, actually has a shot at capturing the millennial vote.... Capturing the youth vote won't be easy. Trump will need to strategically play up his assets that are appealing to young people, and spread the right message in a snappy, out-of-the box way. And a smart Vice President pick will also go a long way to help dispel accusations that Trump is a racist bigot. But given the uniqueness of this presidential election -- coupled with a bureaucratic, unlikable opponent -- Trump very well may shock the political experts like he did in the Republican Primary. "

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...79653-yes-really-trump-can-win-the-youth-vote
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I'm inclined to not engage you while you're in troll mode, but I suppose a simple link to an article that is seemingly pro-Trump and contains some poll numbers wouldn't hurt:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/d...e-polls-thanks-to-millennials/article/2600783

Yeah, millennials are behind Trump's surge. It's now 51%-25% Clinton-Trump among millennials. And other polls are similar. Hillary is about a 2:1 favourite among millenials. And that's *after* a surge. I'll reiterate, Trump is sunk with millenials.

This whole posting-crap-to-get-a-reaction is getting so old, Jae. Being pro-Trump gets you a reaction, so that's what you do. I'm not mad by what you posted. It was too easy to refute. I'm just sick of what you've been posting for a while, to the point that I'm souring on the whole forum.
 
Nate Silver on 538 still predicts using all the data from polls and various methods to measure them, that Hillary has about a 70% chance of winning, over Trump's 30% chance. So far.
 
@chansen, I find what you said to be well, honestly, sounding like it was written by a nutbar. You claimed, "They are sunk with young people, atheists, women, latinos, blacks, and the university-educated."

Please.

There are young people who support the Republicans, atheists who support the Republicans, women, latinos, blacks, university-educated, etc.!

Sunk indeed.

And don't you tell me I'm trolling just because I support one candidate or another. That is a totally uncalled for kind of comment to make. Disgusting.

I have as much right to support one candidate or another as everyone else on here including you.
 
chansen said:
NO. She should not have used her own email server, period.

The Hillary side only looks good because Trump is the opposition. This is a clusterfark, and both parties should be embarrassed. Republicans need to completely clean house. They are sunk with young people, atheists, women, latinos, blacks, and the university-educated. None of which are going away, and most of those demographics are growing.
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She shouldn't have, but I also read that she requested a different system to use and it was denied to her. She was told what she was asking for was too expensive and not user friendly. She's not a tech expert. She was 60 something and had the same level of expertise that most regular people her age have. But wouldn't and shouldn't the NSA, etc, people gotten right on that? They knew and that's their job. Her emails were being sent to and from her home account. Would that not be obvious? And why wouldn't they tighten up her system right away? I also read that it was quite common before Hillary came along, for White house staff to use their blackberrys for personal and business email.
 
Hi...

"The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil." H. Arendt​

Monk is presenting an opportunity to consider the banal nature of evil inclination and the consequences following where it is admitted. To ignore or deny this is to be in the dark. Here is Leo Tolstoy on topic:

“Will you, a rational and good being, having for a moment appeared in this world, and at any moment liable to disappear — will you take part in the murder of erring men or men of a different race, will you participate in the extermination of whole nations of so-called savages, will you participate in the artificial deterioration of generations of men by means of opium and spirits for the sake of profit, will you participate in all these actions, or even be in agreement with those who permit them, or will you not?” Source​

George
 
Jae, most here are on to you, and we don't tend to care when you claim victim status. You post wildly slanted and unsubstantiated opinion pieces from May that are completely belied by all the polls, and it seems you do it to get a reaction.

If you have some numbers to refute me, then have at it. I'd gladly stand corrected on any of the above. You want the angry reaction instead, but I'm writing this while yawning at how predictable the whole post crap...get called on it...play victim card scenario is by now. It's boring.
 
Pr. Jae said:
@chansen, I find what you said to be well, honestly, sounding like it was written by a nutbar. You claimed, "They are sunk with young people, atheists, women, latinos, blacks, and the university-educated."

Please.

There are young people who support the Republicans, atheists who support the Republicans, women, latinos, blacks, university-educated, etc.!

Sunk indeed.

And don't you tell me I'm trolling just because I support one candidate or another. That is a totally uncalled for kind of comment to make. Disgusting.

I have as much right to support one candidate or another as everyone else on here including you.
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You're a Trump supporter Jae?
 
Here we are bickering about it in the outer realms of the hypocrites.

Forgive! Where we live, and how well we live as we criticize - I see no other option here. Allow an opening for transformation - even of those in government.
 
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