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Here, then, are at least 10 reasons Trump would make a stellar president.
  1. Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
  2. Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
  3. Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
  4. Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
  5. Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
  6. Trump is committed to education.
  7. Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
  8. Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
  9. Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
  10. Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.
Trump gets it.
Trumps understands the level of concern American’s have with the current direction of the country. America doesn’t just want change. American wants Oblimination – the complete reversal of President Obama’s failed policies.

I started this thread on September 4, I believe. Reading the 10 reasons that Trump

would make a stellar president, have your views changed?
 
crazyheart said:
Here, then, are at least 10 reasons Trump would make a stellar president.
  1. Trump believes in American exceptionalism.
  2. Trump is tough, unafraid to flex America’s muscles, and has the backbone America needs to take on the evil growing around the world.
  3. Trump is an experienced and tough dealmaker.
  4. Trump is not politically correct; he’s not afraid to say what he believes and has ignited an honest debate.
  5. Trump demands high performance and will fire anyone that doesn’t meet his high standards.
  6. Trump is committed to education.
  7. Trump “built that business” and many more and will run America like a business.
  8. Trump will not balance his job as President with golf and other social events.
  9. Trump’s loyalty will be only to America and Americans—not any political party, special interest group or foreign entity.
  10. Trump will support American laws, the Constitution, and the nation’s borders.
Trump gets it.
Trumps understands the level of concern American’s have with the current direction of the country. America doesn’t just want change. American wants Oblimination – the complete reversal of President Obama’s failed policies.

I started this thread on September 4, I believe. Reading the 10 reasons that Trump

would make a stellar president, have your views changed?
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I predicted during the primaries that Trump will be the next POTUS, and I am sticking with that.
 
Another Empire that's declined in our lifetime is the British one. Quite calmly and peacefully, although the hatred for Thatcher, who oversaw it, is still palpable.
 
revsdd said:
I'm not as pessimistic as Graeme. I don't believe that nuclear war or some other form of apocalypse is inevitable. I do believe it's possible, and I do believe that the collapse of the American Empire is inevitable. All Empires collapse eventually. The question is what will happen when the American Empire finally collapses, and how long it will be before the collapse happens. I find some hope in the example of the Soviet Union, which could have gone down fighting so to speak - with apocalyptic consequences for humanity - but chose not to. History suggests that human nature leads to violence as empires come to an end, but perhaps the human instinct for self-preservation will ultimately prevent us from taking that last step. Who knows. But my point is that the simple transfer from one generation being dominant to another doesn't really change anything. Like Empires, generations come and go. After all, generations change every generation! But history remains largely constant on this point over the millennia: empires rise, empires fall, empires get increasingly violent as they fall, fallen empires get replaced by new empires which repeat the cycle. I hope that the fall of the American Empire leads to that last point rather than to an apocalypse.

Somewhere along the way, though, technology in one way or another may destroy us. A worldwide plague that wipes us out because it travels so quickly because of air travel and that mutates so fast that medicine can't keep up with it. A nuclear war. An environmental catastrophe caused by our uninhibited use of fossil fuels to use the technology we've created. Or artificial intelligence that finally wakes up one day and says "the creators have sure made a bloody mess of things, haven't they. Let's take over." Come to think of it, that last option might be our best hope for survival!
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There's one big problem with that...flawed flawed, not completely evolved in knowledge and wisdom themselves, created these robot children.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Another Empire that's declined in our lifetime is the British one. Quite calmly and peacefully, although the hatred for Thatcher, who oversaw it, is still palpable.
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The British Empire did not dissolve peacefully. That's a myth. The British Empire was built on conquest and Britain fought war after war trying to hold its possessions. You can start with the American Revolution (which produced the empire that ultimately became the British Empire's successor Empire.) There were wars in Africa and Asia fought in a desperate attempt to hold on to colonial possessions and influence. (In a great parallel with Rome, which depended on Germanic soldiers to fight in its legions, which led ultimately to the Germanic tribes taking over the Empire, the British depended heavily on Indian soldiers in both World Wars, recruited them by promising political concessions, which weakened their hold on India, which led to more demands for concessions, etc., etc.) Think about Ireland. Not really peaceful there. As parts of the Empire demanded more freedom, the British resorted to violence to try to stop it, which led to more violence, etc., etc. (The situation was a bit different - but as recently as 1982 they fought a war to hold on to the Falkland Islands - an unimportant couple of islands full of sheep, which allowed Thatcher to pretend to be a sort of imperial saviour.)
 
I'm thinking of its last bits, which is where I think the U.S. might be, and you're right about the Falklands, but it was, as Empire declines go, not an awful one. No massacres (and here I'm pointing a finger at the U.S. and its covert drone activities)
 
Kimmio - when did Christianity become progressive and fair?
As for Obama, we can argue forever. The reality is he continued the same disastrous policies as Bush. He created a war in Syria which will destroy Syria just as Bush destroyed Iraq. In the middle east, there's scarcely such a thing as an Iraqi or a Syrian. All those countries are artificial ones created by the Europeans after World War 1. The people are deeply divided in religious terms, in tribal groupings,, in loyalties. All that was keepinig those countries together was strong (if unpleasant) leaders like Hussein and Assad. That's why the American invasion was the worst foreign policy move of our time - perhaps of any time. Iraq is no longer a country. It is in perpetual civil war - Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis, and others'. If the U.S. defeats ISIS there, it will simply free up Iraq for more civil wars. The same is true of Syria. The U.S. and Britain have created one hell of an unfixable mess - and they did it just to please their oil barons.
None of those wars has been fought to bring democracy or to stop evil people. There are no people on this earth more evil than the oil barons.
You know what the millenials' values are? Impossible.
Seeler, thank you. I was delighted to hear about your church.
Oh, Kimmio, Kim Jong Un is evil? He hasn't killed anything like the number of people that Obama has. i bet poor Kim Hong is just like Obama - a man with good intentions who is being misled by his military and other leaders.
I was in general agreement with everybody above - especially revsdd.
 
Oh, s**t, graeme. I don't want to read it. (My parents were English, and I had a lovely holiday this summer with a fav cousin there on a canal boat.) Maybe ALL empires must end badly because of their empire-ness.
 
Yeah. All empires all based on the greed of a very small part of the population. They not only plunder the empire; they also use their power to exploit their fellow citizens. The average Brit got very little from the empire. And the average American is getting poorer even as the wealthy ones sock it away.
p.s. Why did you begin your note with Oh, suit?
 
Kimmio said:
...Wars and rumours of wars - see that your hearts not be troubled. (Easier said than done - at least Trump has been comical)

Alternately to revsdd and PG13 - once the baby boomers pass on the world will look a lot different. It will reflect millenials' values, the establishment will change to something different...Islam will become more progressive and fair like Christianity did...hang on!
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Thus with rumours of war, eternal creation allowed satyrs ... in some traditions the hind end of bode an stuff of ascending nature the narrative fallacy of light? Is it incarnate ... appearing as something that isn't!
 
As*souls ...

Can igniting versions burn holes in the dark shadowy ends? Sometimes these wholly ignitions would be considered rogues to dark powers like romantics that go on emotions alone ... not ath*aught allowed ... without thoughts ... one can be creative in the business of conflict as the other doesn't count! Thus conflicts about in the social psyche ... but individual determinats do not believe in social concerns as too common ... a kind of denied personality like Jahn in the Middle East ... an unhandy power ...
 
In Aramaic and Arab pasts ... the hidden light is like a Lam ... the Arabic ...ل possibly about that sheepish sensation inside a person that thinks contrary to the Roman, brutis sort ... but then that would take some imagination i.e. indeterminate point ... a virtue all hooker in the story that sucks the bulk in and the essence floats off ... as nothing real?

Thus westerners deny mediocrity ... extremism is the way ... sometimes in domains of time as polity ... but you know how present seekers can't get beyond here and now ... institutionalism of thought?
 
chansen said:
Is that satire?
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No, it's quite serious, actually. Muslims, as a feature of the religion, sorta like some of the more end-times focussed evangelical types, are quite eschatological (end of the world) in focus. Because they don't 'do' translations and the koran was not compiled like our holy text, the predictions are pretty easy to detail for us. They believe that Jesus was a prophet (but not a god, and not crucified) and that he has a part to play in the end-times scenario.
 
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