TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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If an autocratic leader admits to making a mistake ... do they loose face as an absolute power?

Problem resolved by lying things from heaven down ... why they're laid out the way they are ... because we just don't know ... a cloudy issue!
 
@Graeme Decarie

If the corporate intent is miss understood ... could we be dealing with a core po' real avarice that doesn't know either?

There has to be another side to this allegory ... is Allah gory, or is that just the darker side of the eternal? Is what is Po' real and the rich just di carried 'n ... as grey Ham, without fixed words as defined by King James troupe of squires? That's quiri ous as Ray Stevens revival down soude ... mental meddling?

If one had a silent partner would it be deemed psyche and still as the night in a Gael fantasy? Franc lyre ... would the Nordics attempt to freeze it out a Freud Y Anne? Thus the need for Sophy's ticketed silence ... as scripted codex --- X-saviour as salivated?

Save that one for later chewing over ... that last posting as apocalyptic ... then one Gnue ... a more singular wildebeest was never tiered in the zoological scheme ... cause it was no sooner there that it was out of Eire ... like a tres vite pas sou ere ... a quick shot in the dark?

Sous-la ... and thus ID was Goth ... some say gutte ... other's a butte ... with fine curves ... like V' Nous ... every niche to it'sown ... something to floss, or find flaws in as a bit fuzzy !

Genres are like that ... unclear ...
 
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The spirit of baffles, or woe ... men ... manning the walls ... monstrous cog nice antes in the dark ... overcoming!

Re habituation ... mice or men? Something of MU sing virtue as odd thing ... Klein Bottled, somewhat jaer'd ...
 
Life is a duality; compromised of desire and intellect ... the intelligence came in lessor, or last! Allowing for lessor powers than comprehended ... but one is not allowed to say that in the face of authority ... then something was initiated ... by just the right kind of escrowed nature ... buried stuff?

Kind 'a like a thorn in the behind ... edging one on as a singular itty?
 
Kimmio said:
So the Governor of Louisiana asked Trump not to go there to tour the flooded areas, particularly for photo ops while they're still in crisis, for another week - he asked the same of Obama. So, Trump goes in there anyway, like a dirty shirt, and his team jumps on Obama for golfing while saying Trump is doing the president's job.:cautious:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/john-bel-edwards-trump-louisiana-visit-227194
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Props to Trump for going! Meanwhile, Obama played golf and... where is Hillary?
 
Kimmio said:
The long con. It would've been predictable for him to do this a long time ago. Even on his Twitter feed some of his 'fans' have been begging him to apologize to the Khans, reach out to African American voters, etc. meanwhile those who won't vote for him already see he's playing a con game. They don't know what it is exactly except that it's a con game and they're not going to believe him. It's hard to believe or respect anyone with heart and intellect who'd fall for this - that he's a new man overnight now that he's hired the Fox Breitbart team. Whatever. When a few days ago he said he is who he is and doesn't want to change. Believe that!

I have a feeling there's more of the old Trump before November. I could be wrong.
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Trump is reaching out to African-Americans.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-...single-african-american-citiizen-747502659580
 
No. You couldn't be wrong. I mean it would be the first time ever.
let's see. Obama has opposed all the killing of his time in office. But the generals fought wars behind his back without telling him.
And all the GOP were warhawks.
Hillary Clinton has actively supported every war the U.S. has fought since 2001. So that must mean Hillary is a warhawk secretly working for the GOP. Gee! it really makes ya stop and think, don't it?
 
Obama did increase the drone program started under Bush, significantly. He had two choices - increase drones or increase troops. I read that it is the military brass that prefers this way of doing things - it was probably presented to Obama as a win-win (fewer US military casualties, more 'precise' strikes) by advisors and generals. Obama himself was never a military man so he probably just had to make a decision and that seemed better than increasing the ground wars that GWB started. Obama inherited a lot of crap. Wars he did not start, and a public angry about it. I am sure there were plenty of unpleasant discoveries.I can only imagine how is first month at the whitehouse learning about all the crap and deciding what to do must've been like. And I am sure he delegated a lot of decisions. He had to. The man can't be the 'decider' about everything, all the time,everywhere. He had to entrust some decision making to others. So...to who?
 
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Graeme Decarie said:
But, as you say, you have "a feeling'. And that beats knowing what you're talking about - every time.
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So do you. Because unless you were there with all the information at your disposal and perfectly clear to you at the precise time decisions were made, you don't know what you would've done. And you don't have all the facts as to what was happening, who else was pushing their agendas, what other leaders in the world were involved or interfering, what the risks were for each possible decision. It sucks. War sucks. And I do not envy anyone in a role as powerful as POTUS trying to make sense of what to do. I don't believe Obama wanted more killing and more war, though. You believe based on your feelings, he was a murderous bloodhound. I do not. I believe he's a human being faced with crappy "damned if we do damned if we don't" problems from the beginning of his administration. Much of which he would only learn after taking office.
 
You still have evidence of anything you say. This is not simply belief. Belief has at least some reasoning behind it. You work on pure faith - all very well in a matter of religions, but quite out of police in judging world affairs.
He was not simply following advice from generals about wars that Bush had started. Bush did not start military action in Pakistan. Obama did that with drones. Bush did not start fighting in Syria. Obama did that, using hired mercenaries and other Jihadists, and pretending they were rebels. obama aslo initiated the U.S. involvement in Yemen supplying bombs and blockading to create starvation. There are Canadian troops in Latvia. Obama sent them there.
For a man who doesn't want killing and war, he's sure done a lot of it.
And no, the decisions to make these wars were not made behind his back by some sergeant at a desk. Any president who permitted such a thing would be wildly irresponsible. Are you suggesting Obama is wildely irresponsible? There are things a president cannot delegate. Going to war is one of them.
He also puts people in prison with no charge and no trial - indefinitely. Yes, Bush made that possible. He could have made it impossible. But he didn't. He used and still uses that power.
I'm sorry if he had a tough first month. But that hardly explains the eight years of his presidency.
 
Canadian troops are in Latvia because NATO wants to prevent expansion of Russia into former soviet countries, is that right? Doesn't want Putin taking them like Crimea. And those countries don't either. I don't want Canadian troops in any wars, but that is the rationale is it not?

Where's your evidence that Obama 'pretended' they were rebels? Maybe they were rebels who lost their minds and branched off into jihadist groups. Obama did not want to send US troops into Syria, neither did the U.S. public. The death toll by Assad on his own citizens grew quite large before the U.S. did anything. It is possible that this whole quagmire grew because Obama did not want to expand US ground troops and wanted to limit US casualties while still trying to help stop the civil and jihadist wars ravaging other countries. He was less interventionalist in that sense - more hesitant to commit to wars, so the murdrous regimes and groups on the other side of it were empowered.

What would you have done? Just let civilians in other countries get slaughtered by despots and jihadists? Their problem? It's understandable to be upset by the civilian casualties that have resulted but what if doing nothing was worse?

Also...Do you think it's possible that information was ever kept from Obama?
 
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1. Read the Washington Post carefully. It's partly not true. (ending torture was NOT Obama's idea. It was forced on him when the story became known.
2.Our troops are NOT in Latvia to prevent an invasion by Russia of former Soviet states. Think hard. The number of troops there, including Europeans, is only a few thousand. That wouldn't last a day in the event of a Russian invasion. They are there as a provocation. we offered up Canadians as sacrificial lambs. As well, we have never been given any evidence that the Russians are planning such an invasion. Nothing. Nada. Nor would it make sense for the Russians to do so.
3. NATO is not a holy organization. It is essentially a tool of American imperialism. And it is in great danger of breaking up.
4. The U.S. is preventing despots etc. from killing people? Think, Kimmio. Think just a little bit.
The U.S. has killed, crippled and refugeed people at a rate far beyond that of any despot I know of. in the last fifty years, it has invaded more countries than any country in the world. In Guatemala, it directed the slaughter of 300,000 civilians - including large numbers of clergy. The Jihadists and Assad come nowhere close to the U.S. record of murder.
5. Also on the Washington Post, the fact that two agencies got conflicting numbers on the number killed by drones means nothing whatever. In fact, nobody knows the number because the U.S. keeps them secret. And, at the end, note its sentence that Al Quaeda and other Jihadists are on the wane. That was written four years ago. Now, close your eyes and think hard. How come its four years later, and they're still major forces? And how come the major opposition to them has been from Russia? It's pretty public now that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have, in fact, been financing and supplying Al Quaeda and other Jihadists. (In fact, Al Quaeda was formed BY THE U.S. some 25 years ago. The CIA did that. At the time, bin Laden was an ally of the U.S. Killing him was scarcely a triumph to brag about. He has been irrelevant for years.
6. Obama is passive and deferring? These strike you as indicating a good leader?

7. Those other countries were murderous? What on earth do you think the U.S. has been for the last 50 years and more? In that time, the U.S. police have killed far more Americans than terrorists have - and by a big margin.
8. Just in recent decades the U.S. has murdered at least 4 or 5 million civilians around the world. How on earth can you think they care what despots do?
9. As to the origins of the Syrian rebels, it is not a secret that the US organized and equipped them. Where do you think they got all their weapons and ammunition and vehicles? At yard sales? Can you even begin to have any idea of the tremendous need for constant supples of weapons, ammunition, training, food, oil in the midst of a war? Where do you think ISIS is getting its equipment?
10. The U.S. is blockading Yemen to starve its people to death. That's not a secret. Can you tell me how that is helping those people who are among the poorest in the world?
11. The purpose of the fighting in the middle east has nothing to do with despots. It has to do with destroying nations, with making them so small and weak they cannot defend their own resources, notably oil. And they are not permitted to trade with anybody but the U.S. and its closest friends. ( Check on what Britain and the U.S. did to the elected government of Iran about 1948).

And that whole plan is in danger of collapse. Turkey is movinig closer to Russia. Iran already has. The U.S. is profoundly hated and distrusted all over the world - and with good reason. No. obama didn't start it. But he became part of the game - because he wanted to be.
 
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