TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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revjohn
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How bad must things be for the Republican Party to bring out Mitt Romney, the last guy they desperately wanted not to carry the party nomination, to try and bring down the current guy they desperately do not want to carry the party nomination?
And why, I wonder, does the Party with control of the House of Representatives and the Senate which has done very, very, very little to govern the country save oppose the President think that Trump is too much?
Isn't the Republican Party the party that embraced the Tea Party idea until it came gunning for the "Washington Elites?" Didn't the Tea Party craziness just make the road smoother for the Trump craziness?
Do politicians, of any stripe, not know that chickens come home to roost?
And why, I wonder, does the Party with control of the House of Representatives and the Senate which has done very, very, very little to govern the country save oppose the President think that Trump is too much?
Isn't the Republican Party the party that embraced the Tea Party idea until it came gunning for the "Washington Elites?" Didn't the Tea Party craziness just make the road smoother for the Trump craziness?
Do politicians, of any stripe, not know that chickens come home to roost?
revsdd
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No doubt the USA is a violent culture, largely because of their gun culture. Ironically, many trace the "gun culture" to the Old West, with the image of shootouts, etc. I recently read, though, that in many places in the "Old West" there was very strict gun control. If you were a visitor to town in Dodge City, Kansas (one of the most famous Old West towns), apparently you were required to check your guns with the sheriff while you were there. Strange.
Anyway, what I see possibly arising from Trump's potential presidency (or even just his campaign) is perhaps a more targeted violence toward Muslims and other immigrants. He's certainly appealed to the more racist and xenophobic elements of American society, and if he ends up either not doing or not being able to do what he's talked about I could see the attitude rising in some of the loony right that "we better take care of them Mooz-lims ourselves."
I could also see a rise in political violence. Trump has definitely tapped into a lot of anti-government sentiment, and, again, there are folks who are sufficiently off the wall and have been sufficiently encouraged by Trump's rhetoric that if he doesn't win (or does win and disappoints) political figures could be targeted.
I hope I'm wrong about both of those possibilities, but I have those concerns for my friends and family who live south of the border. Even if I'm right and Trump doesn't seriously believe half the things he's actually said, I fear that he's opened the bottle and let the genie out, and it may be hard to get the genie back in.
It would never happen here ... as long as you were naïve about the potential when dealing with agitated citizenry ... who were in turn emotionally distraught!
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To: President Trump
From: Just a simple man
I’ve been following your campaign since your announcement, reading millions of words written about you, watching thousands of hours of video and speeches, listening to many talk radio show segments, and engaging in dozens of debates with people around me.
No candidate has ever captured my attention the way you have.
Now that it’s clear you will be the Republican nominee, I want to share with you something so personal, painful, and uplifting, that I almost don’t want to write it, but I will anyway…trolls be damned:
My whole life, up until yesterday, has been based on reaction to fear.
Growing up as a black man in Washington D.C. during the “crack 80’s”, when Marion Barry was mayor, I lived a lower middle class childhood in one of the most dangerous cities in America. Though I had many friends, I was also subject to the threats, intimidation, and bullying that happens when you’re not like the people around you.
There was no father in my life to steel me against the world I lived in. My mother was strong, but it’s not exactly the kind of strength I needed. I was a boy, and needed a Man.
Without strong male guidance, I learned to fear…but not how to face fear and win. Even joining the military and going to war didn’t overcome my weakness, and all my future decisions considered strongly the level of fear I had at the time.
As a result, my life has been full of conflict, as I have unintentionally signaled to adversaries that I am an easier opponent to beat than others. I have won victories, but never truly enjoyed them knowing the battle is never won for me…only endured. I have also suffered crushing defeats, and important people in my life lost confidence in me as a result. I have not reached my potential, and settled instead into apathy and stasis, content to only being “smart enough” or “good enough”…not great. Not strong. Not resolute…
Not a leader. Not a winner.
My life, in many important ways, mirrors the American experience. Potential to be great, but paralyzed by fear. Full of conflict. Enduring, not winning. No leadership. No strong Male inspiration. And occasional, crushing defeats that hit to the core of our country…most notably 9/11, but also with the erosion of our middle class and uniquely American culture.
Like you say so often: we don’t WIN anymore.
Watching your campaign, and being as invested in it as I am, has been an exercise in recognizing, and confronting, fear that I never expected. Every time your opponents hit you…I feel fear for your candidacy and our country. Every charge of racist, sexist, facist, etc. causes me to worry that no one, not even you, can really change the country for the better. That we’re doomed to failure…
Then…inevitably…you win the battle. You don’t “survive”, or “endure”…you attack, and put fear into your opponents. You don’t stop until they are buried under your feet. Until they become paralyzed…
Sometimes, you even bait them into hitting you, just so you can beat the crap out of them again. Your life is full of conflict, but it becomes yet another opportunity to WIN, and makes you MORE powerful…not less.
Then, once they are eliminated as a threat, you are generous to the vanquished. It’s not personal, and they are not evil. They were, simply…in the way. Once they are not, they become worthy of kindness and respect.
Furthermore, you’re not just a blunt instrument…your strategy is impeccable. You go into every conflict knowing exactly what your opponents weaknesses are, how to exploit them, and what levers to pull to ensure victory. Clearly, you spend good time before announcing your candidacy doing the things the military taught me as a young soldier: surveying, recon, intelligence-gathering, ammunition, discipline, execution…
You are defending America from our enemies within, and it’s an AMAZING thing to watch.
Last night, you also did something else. You became the Man that helped me see fear for what it is: an illusion of power, a powerful teacher, and the path to winning if used properly. There is no reason, regardless of the enormity of the task, to lose to fear if you prepare well, are disciplined in your execution, and have the faith necessary, in God, yourself, and in others…that leads to victory.
Winning is always possible, but becomes probable if you never back down, never quit, and become your dominant self. Once the battle is won, treat the vanquished with kindness and respect. Be the bigger man.
You taught me how to Win.
I appreciate what you’ve done for me personally, and what you’re doing for our country. I know I’m not the only man who admires you, and can’t wait for you to become the father, and leader, of our country. It’s been a long, cold winter for men in America the last 8 years, and I believe that your election will dramatically improve the level of respect, admiration, and love people will show for strong men and Fathers, and will create a new generation of leaders from impressionable young boys.
That, more than anything, will Make America Great Again.
-Troy"
--Troy Morton
Not confusing the Finger for the Moon
(and this letter makes me think of the several 'competency porn' movies & books around the world...the breaking of the Idiotplot that is so popular, where humanity is a failure, where everything we do works, where it is all going downhill...we have things like The Martian & Interstellar, we have writers like Heinlein & Spider Robinson & Tom Robbins...humanity is so capable, so worthy...yes, there are problems, some pretty big...)
To: President Trump
From: Just a simple man
I’ve been following your campaign since your announcement, reading millions of words written about you, watching thousands of hours of video and speeches, listening to many talk radio show segments, and engaging in dozens of debates with people around me.
No candidate has ever captured my attention the way you have.
Now that it’s clear you will be the Republican nominee, I want to share with you something so personal, painful, and uplifting, that I almost don’t want to write it, but I will anyway…trolls be damned:
My whole life, up until yesterday, has been based on reaction to fear.
Growing up as a black man in Washington D.C. during the “crack 80’s”, when Marion Barry was mayor, I lived a lower middle class childhood in one of the most dangerous cities in America. Though I had many friends, I was also subject to the threats, intimidation, and bullying that happens when you’re not like the people around you.
There was no father in my life to steel me against the world I lived in. My mother was strong, but it’s not exactly the kind of strength I needed. I was a boy, and needed a Man.
Without strong male guidance, I learned to fear…but not how to face fear and win. Even joining the military and going to war didn’t overcome my weakness, and all my future decisions considered strongly the level of fear I had at the time.
As a result, my life has been full of conflict, as I have unintentionally signaled to adversaries that I am an easier opponent to beat than others. I have won victories, but never truly enjoyed them knowing the battle is never won for me…only endured. I have also suffered crushing defeats, and important people in my life lost confidence in me as a result. I have not reached my potential, and settled instead into apathy and stasis, content to only being “smart enough” or “good enough”…not great. Not strong. Not resolute…
Not a leader. Not a winner.
My life, in many important ways, mirrors the American experience. Potential to be great, but paralyzed by fear. Full of conflict. Enduring, not winning. No leadership. No strong Male inspiration. And occasional, crushing defeats that hit to the core of our country…most notably 9/11, but also with the erosion of our middle class and uniquely American culture.
Like you say so often: we don’t WIN anymore.
Watching your campaign, and being as invested in it as I am, has been an exercise in recognizing, and confronting, fear that I never expected. Every time your opponents hit you…I feel fear for your candidacy and our country. Every charge of racist, sexist, facist, etc. causes me to worry that no one, not even you, can really change the country for the better. That we’re doomed to failure…
Then…inevitably…you win the battle. You don’t “survive”, or “endure”…you attack, and put fear into your opponents. You don’t stop until they are buried under your feet. Until they become paralyzed…
Sometimes, you even bait them into hitting you, just so you can beat the crap out of them again. Your life is full of conflict, but it becomes yet another opportunity to WIN, and makes you MORE powerful…not less.
Then, once they are eliminated as a threat, you are generous to the vanquished. It’s not personal, and they are not evil. They were, simply…in the way. Once they are not, they become worthy of kindness and respect.
Furthermore, you’re not just a blunt instrument…your strategy is impeccable. You go into every conflict knowing exactly what your opponents weaknesses are, how to exploit them, and what levers to pull to ensure victory. Clearly, you spend good time before announcing your candidacy doing the things the military taught me as a young soldier: surveying, recon, intelligence-gathering, ammunition, discipline, execution…
You are defending America from our enemies within, and it’s an AMAZING thing to watch.
Last night, you also did something else. You became the Man that helped me see fear for what it is: an illusion of power, a powerful teacher, and the path to winning if used properly. There is no reason, regardless of the enormity of the task, to lose to fear if you prepare well, are disciplined in your execution, and have the faith necessary, in God, yourself, and in others…that leads to victory.
Winning is always possible, but becomes probable if you never back down, never quit, and become your dominant self. Once the battle is won, treat the vanquished with kindness and respect. Be the bigger man.
You taught me how to Win.
I appreciate what you’ve done for me personally, and what you’re doing for our country. I know I’m not the only man who admires you, and can’t wait for you to become the father, and leader, of our country. It’s been a long, cold winter for men in America the last 8 years, and I believe that your election will dramatically improve the level of respect, admiration, and love people will show for strong men and Fathers, and will create a new generation of leaders from impressionable young boys.
That, more than anything, will Make America Great Again.
-Troy"
--Troy Morton
Not confusing the Finger for the Moon
(and this letter makes me think of the several 'competency porn' movies & books around the world...the breaking of the Idiotplot that is so popular, where humanity is a failure, where everything we do works, where it is all going downhill...we have things like The Martian & Interstellar, we have writers like Heinlein & Spider Robinson & Tom Robbins...humanity is so capable, so worthy...yes, there are problems, some pretty big...)
Delightful Life
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What most troubles me about Trump is that he has confided to reporters that he has no intention of building the wall. Whether I agree with any of his policies or not, I want HIM to believe in them. But which politicians actually believe they can implement their promises? And which presidents have kept their campaign promises? To me, the real significance of Trump's success is twofold: (1) Americans are fed up with bought and paid for politicians (the establishment) and they only way they can do something about it is vote for a candidate who is so outrageous that no one (except Graeme) would believe he is bought and paid for. (2) What Americans really need is what Canada has--a viable third party to keep the top two (more) sane. The Republicans are increasingly just obstructionist, and yet, prefereable to many over the corrupt and inept Democrats. The only path to a viable third party is for one party to elect someone who totally ruptures their mold, sparking more viable third party candidates for President.
Amazing isn't it? Finally the Berlin wall comes down back in the day and these days many nations are busy building more or adding to them. Israel, Europeans to keep immigrants out, etc.....
The only way Trump could get around this if elected is to say he was talking metaphorically and introduce sanctions and restrictions to "build it". This invisible wall has already begun it's construction through the rhetoric and hatred he spouts towards others and this sort of wall unfortunately may stand longer than any physical one unfortunately.
The only way Trump could get around this if elected is to say he was talking metaphorically and introduce sanctions and restrictions to "build it". This invisible wall has already begun it's construction through the rhetoric and hatred he spouts towards others and this sort of wall unfortunately may stand longer than any physical one unfortunately.
Today's news (Thursday): Romney and his advisors are promising a floor fight, using the rules to steal enough of Trump's delegates to defeat him and, I guess, get Mitt drafted on the GOP candidate. Can you say, "Hilary inevitable now?" Trump on Romney's last presidential bid: "He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said, "Drop to your knees, and he would have dropped to his knees."
I was reading that, too. Funny, Mitt seems so mild in comparison. I remember being a bit concerned that he'd win in 2012. But Trump is in a whole other ballpark.
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Wow, the GOP must be desperate to resurrect their 2012 freak candidate
And to think that a mere 4 years ago, Mitt was on Trump's side...
remember folks, this is exactly like wrestling: it looks on the surface like enemies against each other, but they're really on THE SAME SIDE ;3
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Tain't a dahl funny ... butte a dirty screwed up piece of land like the Pillars ofde Earth ... some say the Devils Cause-why! We don't know is the logic ... a religious teaching ... that which we have a hard Job getting over ... like Jonah travelling God's domain .... ink'n, blink'n and node ... as he well knowed ID ... as a ditty beyond heh ... out there continuously or ad continuum ... what's a Devils Causeway? That extension between the Isle of Mann and Eire Land ... considered to be nothing but only a hidden recession ... a witch the industrious fall in ...
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Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
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While I would personally prefer Romney to any of the current GOP field (had I a say in the matter), isn't bringing him back rather like a sports team bringing back the guy who cost them the last championship to lead it in this one?
Trump sank to new low of coarseness by defending the size first of his hands and then by implication of his penis. Cruz won the debate by repeatedly challenging him to allow the NYT video to be aired during which he allegedly admits he has no intention of building the wall. Megyn Kelly devastated Trump with videos of several flipflops in his positions on various important political issues. But Cruz has no chance of being the Republican nominee. So Trump just handed Clinton the presidency, right? Not so fast!
Pagliano, the Clinton operative responsible for her unprotected e-mail server, has been granted the immunity he demanded from the FBI to legally testify. According to Judge Napolitano, this means a secret grand jury has been convened to take of the question of a criminal indictment against Clinton or a Clinton operative. It also means that Pagliano needs immunity and disclosed hot incriminatory information to secure immunity in exchange for damaging testimony against her or someone associated with her. If Napolitano is right, the head to head competition between the Donald and Hillary should boil down to the question of who self-destructs first.
Meanwhile, a cop dared to hide a knife buried on OJ Simpson's property, but eventually told a cop friend this and the friend ratted him out. to the LA police. The retrieved knife is now being investigated to determine if it is the murder weapon. The news these days is stranger than fiction!
Pagliano, the Clinton operative responsible for her unprotected e-mail server, has been granted the immunity he demanded from the FBI to legally testify. According to Judge Napolitano, this means a secret grand jury has been convened to take of the question of a criminal indictment against Clinton or a Clinton operative. It also means that Pagliano needs immunity and disclosed hot incriminatory information to secure immunity in exchange for damaging testimony against her or someone associated with her. If Napolitano is right, the head to head competition between the Donald and Hillary should boil down to the question of who self-destructs first.
Meanwhile, a cop dared to hide a knife buried on OJ Simpson's property, but eventually told a cop friend this and the friend ratted him out. to the LA police. The retrieved knife is now being investigated to determine if it is the murder weapon. The news these days is stranger than fiction!
Yeah, except now they're regretting losing him. And likely, voters are realizing they traded bad for worse (and bad wasn't so bad, comparatively).
As Inanna said, they all play for the same team...but I think even the GOP team and even the tea party element of the team are a bit perplexed and worried.
BetteTheRed
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Oh, I don't think the Tea Party types are worried at all. There's no more brains between the lot of them than there is in that pot of Orange Pekoe brewing on my kitchen counter. The Koch brothers, OTOH, might be, but then, they should obviously be a bit more careful about exactly WHERE they throw their money around.
And should you be interested in a constant level of amusement, check out Last Week Tonight's bit on Trump, whereby John Oliver discovers that a Donald's family last name is actually Drumpf, which works (for me, anyway) in an opposite direction to the effect of his assumed name. And, just for icing on the cake, if you go to his site, you can get a Chrome add-on that will automatically change every occurrence of "Trump" that you see to Drumpf. Keeps me laughing!
And should you be interested in a constant level of amusement, check out Last Week Tonight's bit on Trump, whereby John Oliver discovers that a Donald's family last name is actually Drumpf, which works (for me, anyway) in an opposite direction to the effect of his assumed name. And, just for icing on the cake, if you go to his site, you can get a Chrome add-on that will automatically change every occurrence of "Trump" that you see to Drumpf. Keeps me laughing!
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chansen
Had a point all along
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The Republicans are reaping what they sowed. They appealed to the angry, the uneducated, and the religious zealots to win them elections. Now they are being run by the angry, the uneducated, and the religious zealots. They created the problem they find themselves in now. They created the Tea Party, and now it's not just Trump, but the second place guy - Ted Cruz - is a complete religious nutjob. When Rubio is the sanest person left in the race, and he's in third place, you've got big problems.
